DB Cooper

[BobKnoss 0]

""No, I am saying TOG planned a "false Flag" Government Operation authorized by Nixon. I accuse nobody. If you dig deeper you will find the parachute packing experience. His pack jobs were a very sought after item. He started out packing all his own, then for others. This is something that has been eliminated from his bios. TOG did the training, which tells you he was a competent experienced jumper. He did some high altitude jumps also. Remember, anything of any importance has been altered or omitted wherever possible. You might try to get his military records, but I know they made major changes in McCoy's records. He was Mennonite (Mormon) and would not take up arms to fight, just like me. He was NEVER in VietNam, me either. You are asking about one of the biggest cover-up legacies in History. It includes MLK's assassination and Jim Jones' Jonestown mass suicide, and perhaps other McCoy involvements. That stuff is all on the internet to read yourself. Search Richard A. McCoy CIA and hang on to your shorts. The ties are the lawyers, follow the lawyers' histories and the book unfolds. It is all in public view. With McCoy, his tie is O'Hara from 1968 through 1975, when Mac got his own undercover crew, "The Dog Boys". Happy reading."

This is the truth of the matter that you try to cover up. I reaffirm this statement to be what really happened. My information is first hand, not conjured up plaster jobs like you work to lay over the top of the real facts. If you don't know, you never will.

If you are using FAA and FBI information to reconstruct, then you are just using the same can of paint over again.
The reported information was FALSIFIED. You have to rely on HONEST reports from people like "Janet" and Cook's witnesses. At least McCoy has never lied. I've caught EVERYONE else in at least one false statement. One guy even wrote a whole frickin' book and tried to pass it off as truth! If you KNOW the truth, it is easy to SEE the errors, still hard to prove. I'll just keep telling what really happened, that is really simple and exposes the obvious deceptions. Smoke and mirrors don't change the truth, they just fool you into where the truth really is. Your 'OFFICIAL FACTS' are PHONY COMPILATIONS. THAT's a real fact. Evidence is at every turn, changing daily, word by word.

[Robert99 55]

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""No, I am saying TOG planned a "false Flag" Government Operation authorized by Nixon. I accuse nobody. If you dig deeper you will find the parachute packing experience. His pack jobs were a very sought after item. He started out packing all his own, then for others. This is something that has been eliminated from his bios. TOG did the training, which tells you he was a competent experienced jumper. He did some high altitude jumps also. Remember, anything of any importance has been altered or omitted wherever possible. You might try to get his military records, but I know they made major changes in McCoy's records. He was Mennonite (Mormon) and would not take up arms to fight, just like me. He was NEVER in VietNam, me either. You are asking about one of the biggest cover-up legacies in History. It includes MLK's assassination and Jim Jones' Jonestown mass suicide, and perhaps other McCoy involvements. That stuff is all on the internet to read yourself. Search Richard A. McCoy CIA and hang on to your shorts. The ties are the lawyers, follow the lawyers' histories and the book unfolds. It is all in public view. With McCoy, his tie is O'Hara from 1968 through 1975, when Mac got his own undercover crew, "The Dog Boys". Happy reading."

This is the truth of the matter that you try to cover up. I reaffirm this statement to be what really happened. My information is first hand, not conjured up plaster jobs like you work to lay over the top of the real facts. If you don't know, you never will.

If you are using FAA and FBI information to reconstruct, then you are just using the same can of paint over again.
The reported information was FALSIFIED. You have to rely on HONEST reports from people like "Janet" and Cook's witnesses. At least McCoy has never lied. I've caught EVERYONE else in at least one false statement. One guy even wrote a whole frickin' book and tried to pass it off as truth! If you KNOW the truth, it is easy to SEE the errors, still hard to prove. I'll just keep telling what really happened, that is really simple and exposes the obvious deceptions. Smoke and mirrors don't change the truth, they just fool you into where the truth really is. Your 'OFFICIAL FACTS' are PHONY COMPILATIONS. THAT's a real fact. Evidence is at every turn, changing daily, word by word.

Knoss, If you have ever told the truth on this thread, please cite the post number. And no, I'm not kidding.

[mrshutter45 21]

Bobby needs a Google Distance Calculator! he doesn't realize that his little pipeline is only a couple miles off from the FBI flight path!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

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You make a few assertions with out proof again. You're also approaching this backwards, making BK style demands, and demanding people do YOUR research to prove your assertions.

If your so convinced, then you prove it.
Look up the pics and say which one you had possession of.

Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.

Matt

Matt, I am NOT being childish.
As for searches on the computer I do a very very poor job. I have only DIAL UP and it would take me months to do what some of you can find in moments.

That is NOT attacking anyone's credibility - just asking that others make searches that I am NOT able to do on my own. It take me 10 minutes just to get on the computer and to the DZ.

I only have AOL and do not have the speed nor the know how to do the quick searches others can do and also do everyday of their lives.

YOU are belittling me. Lots of generous individuals have helped me with searchs by way of this thread (especially Snowmman, just to name one).
You are beginning to sound like a very Rude Man....how old are you?

I keyed in Flight Satchels and found similar cases that resembled the one Duane was in possession of, but was unable to lift a pic to bring to the DZ. Until the other day I did not know to look for FLIGHT SATCHEL - I did not know there was SUCH A THING!

There are "others" in this thread who would have and could have pulled it up if they had been able to understand what I was trying to describe. I have described this item for 17 yrs - but, I was just a voice in the wilderness.

Thank You for being so "nice" to someone asking for your help. How many tabs have you pulled today?

I am NOT beyond asking for help from others and I do so very often. I have not done nor said anything to offend you, so I
have found NO excuse for your sudden hostile behaviour toward me If you are not interested in helping this case get solved - why are you here?


P.S. The only person whose credibility I question is that of BK.
Everyone is aware of that. You stated that what I requested or the assistance I asked for
was "beneath any decent person".

I am NOT asking anyone to help prove a conspiracy - therefore I would appreciate it if you would refrain from classifying me with BK.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[matthewcline 0]

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You make a few assertions with out proof again. You're also approaching this backwards, making BK style demands, and demanding people do YOUR research to prove your assertions.

If your so convinced, then you prove it.
Look up the pics and say which one you had possession of.

Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.

Matt

Matt, I am NOT being childish.
As for searches on the computer I do a very very poor job. I have only DIAL UP and it would take me months to do what some of you can find in moments.

That is NOT attacking anyone's credibility - just asking that others make searches that I am NOT able to do on my own. It take me 10 minutes just to get on the computer and to the DZ.

I only have AOL and do not have the speed nor the know how to do the quick searches others can do and also do everyday of their lives.

YOU are belittling me. Lots of generous individuals have helped me with searchs by way of this thread (especially Snowmman, just to name one).
You are beginning to sound like a very Rude Man....how old are you?

I keyed in Flight Satchels and found similar cases that resembled the one Duane was in possession of, but was unable to lift a pic to bring to the DZ. Until the other day I did not know to look for FLIGHT SATCHEL - I did not know there was SUCH A THING!

There are "others" in this thread who would have and could have pulled it up if they had been able to understand what I was trying to describe. I have described this item for 17 yrs - but, I was just a voice in the wilderness.

Thank You for being so "nice" to someone asking for your help. How many tabs have you pulled today?

I am NOT beyond asking for help from others and I do so very often. I have not done nor said anything to offend you, so I
have found NO excuse for your sudden hostile behaviour toward me If you are not interested in helping this case get solved - why are you here?


P.S. The only person whose credibility I question is that of BK.
Everyone is aware of that. You stated that what I requested or the assistance I asked for
was "beneath any decent person".

I am NOT asking anyone to help prove a conspiracy - therefore I would appreciate it if you would refrain from classifying me with BK.

Your words say differently.

Rude? hmm, you opinion, I see none of it in my posts. In your PM's I have seen it though.

Dial up is no reason, age is no reason, they are excuses, and poos ones.

If you have proof show it, stop with the "hints", and other "soon to be released break this case wide open" shenanigans.

IMO Duane Weber fooled you, many times. His records show no evidence of him being capable of pulling off this caper.

You and BK believe he did, fine, now prove it. Stop asking others to make your case for you when they do not believe it, they are doing exactly what they should, disproving your case.

That is how this works, you make your assertion, you prove your assertion.

Others have placed for better evidence here, for far better suspects, and have been treated worse (by many, including by you and BK) for it.

Leave the personal attacks,name calling and childishness to the other guy.

Stick to facts, ones you KNOW are facts, and then let the results speak, and accept the outcome, no matter how it makes Duane look as a suspect.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Matt States:

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Rude? hmm, you opinion, I see none of it in my posts. In your PM's I have seen it though.

Well you belittled me and that is rude. Others have done so but in a nicer way.

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Dial up is no reason, age is no reason, they are excuses, and poos ones.

Perhaps you know nothing about my health. I cannot sit for very long and I have had 3 surgeries in a 11 month period of time. You have absolutely NO idea how I use a computer or you would know my being unable to research on-line is very very tedious and just to get one row of pictures on a site under flight satchel takes several minutes. I forgot how man pic are on the site, but something almost 200.
I loose my connection after viewing 2 pages and then have to go thru the long process or getting back on the compute.

You do NOT understand that most of my research has been by physical contact or by phone.
How old are you? What is your health like?

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If you have proof show it, stop with the "hints", and other "soon to be released break this case wide open" shenanigans.

In the first few yrs I told the FBI what I knew - but come to find out the man I considered FBI and thought was relaying all I said to the active FBI - was not doing so.

I was hooked-up with JT and that cost me MY HEALTH and 5 yrs of my life. I was told things I described did not exist and this continues to this day regarding some subjects.

If he actually had the knowledge I had been told he had then this would have been over. I felt then I was used for a purpose or he was set-up to deter me. I never knew and I don't want to know. I like the man, but NOT what he does nor his tactics. They are ODD.

This was in 1996 and then in 2001 a crew took me to WA but nothing they showed me was where I needed to go. It was the locals after the crew left that took me and showed me what I was looking for. None of them could understand why a researcher for a TV program could have missed these things.
I was only able to afford that one day after the crew left. I didn't want to go home after the things I found were dead on.

Then in 2010 when my health started to decline - I stopped all appointment and used 5K I could bearly afford and went to WA all by myself and found most of what I was looking for ON MY OWN. I had never driven on a mountain in my life (now the locals tell me that was NOT a mountain), but to me it was very high although not an official mountain by their standards.

I stayed 15 days, but I had to do this on my own. My health and age would allow me only about 5 hours a day to do the things I did. 2 days plus I lost because of my allergies to the cleaning supplies used in the rooms. 2 days I could not afford.
I am trying to figure out how to get back to finish up what I have to do. The places I have to go are very specific and before when I indicated one specific location, what had been found by another party no longer existed.

There were 5 places and now another has recently been added.
I need the help of property records and corporate and limited documents - (these things are NOT available on line prior to certain yrs.) I trust this information to NO ONE anymore.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[matthewcline 0]

"Well you belittled me and that is rude. Others have done so but in a nicer way. "

Please show that to me, so I understand what you consider belittlement.

So, the last last of the reply will be a problem, if your keeping the info to your self how can you prove your case?

Again what little evidence you have posted/shared doesn't support the theory DW was "Dan Copper" - Solo acting Hijacker or other wise.

You have shown he has an extensive petty criminal background, lied a lot, and kept secrets (even from you) for ling periods of time.

Using what some have posted here as "evidence" ,my uncle has a good chance of being "Cooper". Vietnam Vet (MACVSOG Operator), Master Parachutist, etc etc, in the Country at the time, and grew up in the area. Only to move quickly in '71...

hmmm...

Maybe we should go talk to him?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[skyjack71 0]

Matt Stated:

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IMO Duane Weber fooled you, many times. His records show no evidence of him being capable of pulling off this caper.

Jo Replies:
You are referring to the records listed by CARR since NO other statement regarding the records of Weber have been made public. The publicized record was inaccurate and incomplete. I have the PROOF of that...even the FBI had to eat their own words in 2000 when I went public.

I will RESPECTFULLY ask you to STOP referring to me in the same breath as you refer to BK. I have done everything I can afford to do by computer and on my 15 day visit. I live in Florida and WA is on the other side of the United States. Money and time I do not have on my side.

Matt Stated:

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Stop asking others to make your case for you when they do not believe it, they are doing exactly what they should, disproving your case.

That is how this works, you make your assertion, you prove your assertion.

Jo Replies:
My explanations above answered any question you might have about WHY I ask for help from others. How do you expect me to prove what I know about Weber sitting in a living room in FL when the evidence is in WA state![/blue

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Others have placed far better evidence here, for far better suspects, and have been treated worse (by many, including by you and BK) for it.

Leave the personal attacks,name calling and childishness to the other guy.

Jo Replies:

AGAIN you consistently speak of BK in relationship to Jo Weber. THERE IS NO CONNECTION. I concluded yrs and yrs ago the man's statements and what he claims were in no way valid. I baited him and watched him RUN with the bait. Worse mistake I ever made in these last 17 yrs was my communications with this man!

As for me being rude - I try NOT to be RUDE or to throw around things like others do, but when I am put to task by others I will make a snide remark every now and then.

YOU attacked others in the past and now it seems you single us out one by one and try to discredit one source by making it a direct connection to another source. That tactic is espionage or undercover tactics or just someone pretending to help or know something just to learn what the enemy is hiding.

What do you have to gain by the postings you have made doing what I just described above?

One can fool most of the people some of the time, but to fool an old lady who has been a victim that just does not usually happen unless she has lost her mental facilities. It is obvious from my postings and my consistent knowledge of the past that my memory is intact as of this day in June of 2012. Next month might not be so good and I do have bad days like anyone else my age.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

Matt, Did YOU or DID you NOT make the statement below?

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Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.

Matt:
What do YOU consider the above statement you made? Is that not BELITTLING when you state "beneath any decent person".

You are only trying to incite me with your postings. Before you directed your derogatory and inflamatory posts at BK and justifiable so due to the nature of his postings.

I do not understand this younger generation and what they consider polite and rude. Most of the military I meet in this area are nice. The worse ones are the women in uniform and I wonder why....for instance I asked one military woman (an officer to put her grocery buggy in the correct place as the location she was leaving the buggy in would cause it to roll into the parking spaces assigned to the handicap and create damage to their car). I will NOT recite the vulgarities that came out of her mouth!

Most of the military GUYS are great - they open doors for older individuals and note if you have a cane or park in a handicap space. Some of the women - I would love to SLAP across the face.

I assume from the nature and knowledge contained in your posts that you are military or work in some type interrogative position thur a government and/or private organization.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[matthewcline 0]

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Matt, Did YOU or DID you NOT make the statement below?

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Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.

Matt:
What do YOU consider the above statement you made? Is that not BELITTLING when you state "beneath any decent person".

You are only trying to incite me with your postings. Before you directed your derogatory and inflamatory posts at BK and justifiable so due to the nature of his postings.

I do not understand this younger generation and what they consider polite and rude. Most of the military I meet in this area are nice. The worse ones are the women in uniform and I wonder why....for instance I asked one military woman (an officer to put her grocery buggy in the correct place as the location she was leaving the buggy in would cause it to roll into the parking spaces assigned to the handicap and create damage to their car). I will NOT recite the vulgarities that came out of her mouth!

Most of the military GUYS are great - they open doors for older individuals and note if you have a cane or park in a handicap space. Some of the women - I would love to SLAP across the face.

I assume from the nature and knowledge contained in your posts that you are military or work in some type interrogative position thur a government and/or private organization.

Yes, I wrote it, you took it as rude, I took it as a statement of fact based on applied observational skills.

You keep pleading to not be lumped in with another poster, yet you keep mentioning him in the same posts and even boast of your "bait" tactics and mention a conspiracy theory now!

Oye!


So you have "proof" that links Duane, show it or let the statement be picked apart.

I would also like to see the FBI eating their words info. The actual parts and pieces they say some thing you proved they didn't get right.

Matt
Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[matthewcline 0]

Bill Rataczak = TOG. But in truth had nothing to do with the hijacking other than be on duty that night.
McCoy, did a copy cat hijacking, but is Dead.
KC, worked or the Airlines and had money saved up.
DW, a life long petty criminal has no records to prove any of the things he did but he was involved in every conspiracy from the mid 50's till he died.
M"C" busted in and faded out just as fast with a money making story, that fizzled.

So, what is next?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[skyjack71 0]

I do NOT want to go public until I have seen the documents and checked out the sources myself.
This means a trip to WA. Since the FBI expended so much on BL Cooper only to make FOOLS out of themselves - I am sure I will get NOTHING from them nor do I trust them. If anyone knows a private investigator in WA who would donate his time - I will find a way to get to WA and work with him.

Perhaps some good citizen in the Tacoma Area would provide me with a room - all I need is a bed (AC) a coffee pot and a microwave and use of a washer and dryer. I will have to use a computer at the library as I do not have a portable and they are too heavy for me to carry. My weight bearing capabilities is 5 lbs. My purse is part of that 5 lbs.

I would need to find a cheap cheap rental - but did not find such on my 15 day trip. There are some locations I will not be comfortable driving myself to and a second set of eyes in reviewing records will be an asset.

This time I will need to go to 6 specific locations and it means digging into the archives (public records and museum records).
I have also learned that one of the facilities has their records spread out in facilities thru out the U.S.

Dead of winter will not work as some of this research is in the high country and I can only wear very light weight open toed sandals. Perhaps this will explain some of my limitations.

I do not want the media to be aware of the trip - it will be SILENT just like my last trip was.
The FBI will know only when I obtain the written documents and they will be on my last stop out of WA. One old woman trying to prove something by computer is not enough - but, if I can't make this trip then the GOVERNMENT wins. It would be mighty "NICE" of the fBI to provide an agent to accompany me and the private investigator, but that is NOT going to happen.

I will repeat that I will do a polygraph (which I have been told is of no value at this time 17 yrs after the fact) if they will also do a polygraph on the man and woman who purchased the van.

NO, I do NOT want media attention like JT wants. I want to do this quietly and with NO cameras or lots of people. I work better one on one or with a couple. I am a private person and will protect my privacy...even Geoffrey Gray will attest to this.
Also Sluggo. Perhaps I could have exposed the truth yrs ago if I had been willing to step outside of my comfort zone, but I did that in 1996 only to have the FBI dismiss Weber with false records and/or incomplete records which was proven with my conversation with the agent of record in March of 2000 and the ONLY reason I went public at that time. Something the FBI did NOT expect...they did NOT know I had specific records in my hands and that I would stand my ground.

If anyone know of someone or an organization willing to help me please have them contact me thru P.M. on this thread or the email address that I used in my profile.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

The criminal records alone prove the FBI goofed. I caught the agents error and the the FBI supposedly tried to cover it up 5 yrs after the fact. Then to tell me they had dismissed Duane only by fingerprints - and then the erroneous criminal record recited by Carr in this thread. If you live anywhere near me - come see me and I will show you the documents. The FBI letter, the actual prison records (which the FBI denied regarding McNeil).

I was NEVER allowed to see the Jefferson record - AND I mean the actual papers about his stay there. I was NOT allowed anything until it was put on a public records site with the details destroyed. I was not even allowed to see the Jefferson file photo! Others tried to obtain these records also - I have emails from the prison staff that contradicts what the FBI made public - or a clerk was incomplete error when she told me Duane Weber had never been a resident there. She also told me that Tommy Gunn was on the list of residents, but I was not able to find his name in the public records of that old prison - after the fact.

Too many things I found - too many! Now all I need are the important ones - will they prove Duane was Cooper? NO, but they will prove the FBI has hid things or did not do a complete investigation on Weber....and I want to know WHY!

I am very tired right now and I do not need to have to do this on a computer.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[matthewcline 0]

It is entirely possible that they stopped looking in to D. Weber when they excluded him as a suspect and had no other reason to keep looking into his record or past.

If he is not Cooper and the FBI agent is looking for Cooper, he wont keep looking at Weber. He will move on, to other viable suspects.

Seems reasonable to me.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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It is entirely possible that they stopped looking in to D. Weber when they excluded him as a suspect and had no other reason to keep looking into his record or past.

If he is not Cooper and the FBI agent is looking for Cooper, he wont keep looking at Weber. He will move on, to other viable suspects.

Seems reasonable to me.

Matt

That is fully understandable, since you KNOW nothing of what happened. The case is a done deal. Weber was Dan Cooper, period. Everybody knows it, they just won't give Jo the nod because she puts egg on everyone's face. You are funny, Matt, just like your trainer. So, huff and puff and blow yourself silly. You really don't count in the overall scheme of things. Bing Crosby! Look at Bing Crosby. Or Don Cooper, Jamie will welcome your enthusiasm. Don't argue on the internet when you don't understand the subject, it's retarded. Jo is RIGHT! ...and wrong. You are ALWAYS wrong.

[mrshutter45 21]

so now McCoy is a U.S. Embassy official on the Jim Jones case ?

Richard McCoy
Pentagon
US Marshal
US Embassy Official
Hijacker
Never in VietNam
helped you to the front of the line at your Induction/Exam
Didn't help you when you were the last one there?
nothing but "pipeline dreams"

If I'm not mistaken McCoy also shot JR!!!

answer 99's question while your being so honest, oops forgot who I was talking to!

you may proceed with your verbal assaults!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Amazon 7]

Do you EVER get tired of embarrasing yourself BK???

[mrshutter45 21]

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Do you EVER get tired of embarrasing yourself BK???

I think he really believes his story, he is mixing in a Embassy Official who happens to be named Richard McCoy who was dealing with Jim Jones.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I would also like to see the FBI eating their words info. The actual parts and pieces they say some thing you proved they didn't get right.

Matt

The agent of record in 2000 told me that Duane was never at McNeil nor was he in the Army. I can prove it.

This agent of record did NOT know I had already obtain records and was holding the physical files in my hands.
I have explained this many many times. Just read back.

When he found I was holding physical evidence he told me someone had come into his office and he would call me back.I had called him to task with evidence in BLACK and WHITE contrary to what this FBI agent was telling me.

2 hrs later he calls me back and tells me again Duane was NOT in the Army again. He states the serial numbers belonged to a Wavy Greene. I told him I was holding the damn Army cert in my hands and a letter written from that army base to his mother. I give him the serial numbers again, This agent in 2000 then admitted they had the wrong information.... information they themselves took. They had NO idea that the brother would provide me with letters Duane wrote to his mother from Camp Siebert and letters of communications between the authorities (Navy and Army) with the parents.

The other issue was this agent stating Duane Weber was never in McNeil. Yet, because I had obtained the actual papers - I knew he was - then and only then did this agent state they had made another mistake, but stated Duane only passed thru McNeil. The records read 16 months. The family records tell a different story.

Note this was in Mar of 2000 and yet I contacted the FBI in 1996. The letter they sent dismissing Weber was dated 1998...based on the prints of Weber which they could NOT have if they did NOT have the McNeil file. This was a real FBI nightmare of an investigation from get go.

This phone call is taking place in March of 2000.

Yet the FBI sent me a letter dated 1998 dismissing Weber and they HAD ruled Duane out by fingerprints - prints which Agent Larry Carr would later state were obtained from the McNeil file which the FBI obviously did NOT have in 1998 nor in 2000.
Yet, Carr would produce NO OTHER prints other than the McNeil file. If Duane only passed thru - why could they not compare those prints to other prints on Weber within the system. The FBI and others went to the extreme to make sure I never laid eyes on the Jefferson file (the only reason I even listened to what BK told me).

In this thread alone - Agent Carr states they used the McNeil file prints for prints. So tell me who is lieing. Then Agent Carr posts relevant information in this thread around 2007 regarding the background of Weber and he stated they ruled Duane out with the prints from the McNeil file of 1945. Who is stacking whose deck. What and why did they hide the Jefferson file even when I requested Agent Carr provide me with this....what was so secret about that damn Jefferson file?
Before the master file was destroyed I did everything possible to obtain that file - even had a representative go there on my behalf before the destruction date of the file.

I expect the FBI did NOT realize I am a organization freak and keep paper files of everything, now after all of these yrs I have learned to keep things on disks.
THE FBI right and out lied to me in a letter and on the phone. This would never have been corrected had I not have contacted them in March of 2000.

It was that phone call that caused me to go public. An interview between the FBI agent and his superior and the journalist was made and I have the tape. I do not have cable and do not know if it was EVER televised. I have only looked at the tape ONE time - and the cover-up of the mistakes the FBI made were exposed - but do you think the FBI every apologized or made corrections to the public.

As far as the public was concerned Weber was ruled out by prints the FBI obviously had never looked at. You cannot rule an individual out with prints from a file the FBI denied existed!

This is just two of the mistakes the FBI made - REAL BLOOPERS!
Did they just make that tape to keep me quiet or was it really televised. If you want to visit me - I will pull it from the safety deposit and you will have to bring equipment to make a tape into a disk. I have physical proof of a FBI screw-up regarding the investigation of Weber.

Do you want me to continue to repeat the things I have told in the past. Do your research - read all of this thread and the other thread I tried to do.

I do not support the supposed conspiracy theory about Weber. I did explore the possibilities and a lot of Duane's past also supports the fact he was involved in "something", but the only person who held the answer to that is now deceased - she died in 2004. The skyjacking was not a part of any conspiracy or group.
One man who involved one other person after the fact and with NO involvement from others regardless of who might claim otherwise.

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It is entirely possible that they stopped looking in to D. Weber when they excluded him as a suspect and had no other reason to keep looking into his record or past.

If he is not Cooper and the FBI agent is looking for Cooper, he wont keep looking at Weber. He will move on, to other viable suspects.

Seems reasonable to me.

Matt

That is fully understandable, since you KNOW nothing of what happened. The case is a done deal. Weber was Dan Cooper, period. Everybody knows it, they just won't give Jo the nod because she puts egg on everyone's face. You are funny, Matt, just like your trainer. So, huff and puff and blow yourself silly. You really don't count in the overall scheme of things. Bing Crosby! Look at Bing Crosby. Or Don Cooper, Jamie will welcome your enthusiasm. Don't argue on the internet when you don't understand the subject, it's retarded. Jo is RIGHT! ...and wrong. You are ALWAYS wrong.

Veiled insults and more misleading gobbledygook.
Which leads to a step backwards.
Just when I thought you had turned over a new leaf and decided to act like and adult, you revert.
Kudos on the FB play, well done.

I have access to the same info about the case you have, I just choose not to expound upon it like you do.

It is fully understandable, like you said, that the FBI looked at Weber, saw him not viable, ruled him out and moved on. No reason to keep digging into his past, they have a pretty large record of it and can account for his time line.

Now if You have FACTS to counter it, not just your word (which is well agreed upon here, as "suspect"), place them into evidence.

All your links have proven dead ends, your stories picked apart and shown to be incorrect (accept the ones that have nothing to do with the Hijacking).

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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It is entirely possible that they stopped looking in to D. Weber when they excluded him as a suspect and had no other reason to keep looking into his record or past.

If he is not Cooper and the FBI agent is looking for Cooper, he wont keep looking at Weber. He will move on, to other viable suspects.

Seems reasonable to me.

Matt

That is fully understandable, since you KNOW nothing of what happened. The case is a done deal. Weber was Dan Cooper, period. Everybody knows it, they just won't give Jo the nod because she puts egg on everyone's face. You are funny, Matt, just like your trainer. So, huff and puff and blow yourself silly. You really don't count in the overall scheme of things. Bing Crosby! Look at Bing Crosby. Or Don Cooper, Jamie will welcome your enthusiasm. Don't argue on the internet when you don't understand the subject, it's retarded. Jo is RIGHT! ...and wrong. You are ALWAYS wrong.

Veiled insults and more misleading gobbledygook.
Which leads to a step backwards.
Just when I thought you had turned over a new leaf and decided to act like and adult, you revert.
Kudos on the FB play, well done.

I have access to the same info about the case you have, I just choose not to expound upon it like you do.

It is fully understandable, like you said, that the FBI looked at Weber, saw him not viable, ruled him out and moved on. No reason to keep digging into his past, they have a pretty large record of it and can account for his time line.

Now if You have FACTS to counter it, not just your word (which is well agreed upon here, as "suspect"), place them into evidence.

All your links have proven dead ends, your stories picked apart and shown to be incorrect (accept the ones that have nothing to do with the Hijacking).

Matt

Matt. I need to KNOW if the above reply is to ME or to BK. I have tried to co-operate with you and if this is how you respond to my posts regarding the information about HOW the FBI goofed-up and the errors they made which I can prove in a court of law, but will not go that far. If the FBI has a time line that has been changed since 2000 - they need to clarify that with me in writing as they did the other letter. Not on the computer or on the phone, but in writing. They now NEED to support what they tell me - because what they wrote to me in 1998 is INCORRECT and what the agent told me on the phone in 2000 WAS proven to be incorrect, but the FBI to my knowledge never offered anything other than what was offered on the Tape made in Seattle. I never knew if that Tape was ever televised or used in a public medium. The FBI CLEARLY made 2 mistakes and have part of that recorded.

If the above post was directed at me - I will not tolerate your continued statements toward me if you are requesting I show things on a computer I know not how to do - and by law I cannot put a personal recorded message on the computer.

I have offered you the opportunity to view these things in-person.

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I did not respond to you, the post shows which post I responded too.

Now to respond to your last two posts.

OK, so the FBI didn't answer your questions about D. Weber to your satisfaction. It still does not make him "Cooper".

Your records show he was also potentially an "identity thief", and either served in the military under another name or faked his service (elaborately maybe).

The FBI has done their job with D. Weber. They looked into him and ruled him out as "Cooper". They had no need, reason, or orders to look into any other aspect of him, as he was not accused of any other crimes. They do not need to do any thing else with him.

Yes, you want to know about your husband, but it is not the FBI's job to help you with it. They have no purpose in it, it is purely your need, not theirs.

Remember, D. Weber was not truthful with you, and many others before you. The lack of truthfulness is going to show up in "holes" in his story, history, and records. More than likely just because he lied, nothing else.

I hope you're feeling a bit better today.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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OK, so the FBI didn't answer your questions about D. Weber to your satisfaction. It still does not make him "Cooper".

Your records show he was also potentially an "identity thief", and either served in the military under another name or faked his service (elaborately maybe).

The FBI has done their job with D. Weber. They looked into him and ruled him out as "Cooper". They had no need, reason, or orders to look into any other aspect of him, as he was not accused of any other crimes. They do not need to do any thing else with him.


Matt

The FBI investigation of Duane Weber was flawed. Yes, he was in the ARMY - I have the official papers from the US government, not fakes.

How can a suspect be ruled out with government FLAWED papers.
The McNeil papers and the Army papers - prove that in 2000 they HAD NOT really investigated Duane Weber. Then in 2000 when I call it to their attention - it is answered with more errors by the agent of record, but never acddressed. The agent agrees I am correct and they are wrong, but they did NOT reopen the file for Duane L. WEBER and John C. COLLINS That is suspect enough to cause one to think Cover-Up and why I felt compelled to follow up on the BK fantasy. one I will regret for the rest of my life.

I am NOT asking the government to satisfy me, but to prove they actually have a detailed file on Weber/Collins and cross-check with the information I have. There are too many holes. I have a records of individuals I spoke to and things I cannot talk about in a forum. Again if you wish to come here and listen to tapes and review papers you may do so...things that contradict what the FBI has said and what was told to the FBI..by other individuals.

A trip to WA is also necessary - because I already know what we will find. The footprints that have been there all of this time.
Six places and things to check.

If the FBI knocked on my door asking about a crime I had knowledge of after the fact but concealed - I would have been scared to death - they would lock me up and/or I would have to use everything I owned to defend myself and stay out of prison. Elderly people keep LOTS of secrets - NOT everyone has lived a PERFECT life.

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CLARIFICATION OF THE STATEMENT BELOW:

"If the FBI knocked on my door asking about a crime I had knowledge of after the fact but concealed - I would have been scared to death - they would lock me up and/or I would have to use everything I owned to defend myself and stay out of prison. Elderly people keep LOTS of secrets - NOT everyone has lived a PERFECT life."

I realized this evening that this statement would and could be misunderstood by others to think it was myself concealing things.
Most of you have to ask yourselves this question.

If you had knowledge of a crime after the fact in 1971 and knew some of the monies had been spent on you - what would you do?

Would you have sought counsel from someone you personally knew and could trust within law enforcement (such as a relative) as to the position you might find yourself in. You would probably have been told you could be prosecuted as an accessory after the fact. Fear, love and responsibilities govern decisions under dire consequences.

This is just a senario so you can understand how and why someone might conceal a crime. A crime you did not commit, but had knowledge of. I have NOT stated this crime had anything to do with D.B.Cooper.

This is a senario presented to me yrs ago...the subject was not about Cooper. It was a general discussion in passing......and that is all.

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Jo:
This Kline dude is acting as an Anti-Weber agent for the Cooper Crew and just "flaming" to kill the subject. I understand from my inside source that he was added to the crew quite a while ago, about the time he showed up here. Just ignore him as his only purpose is to incite and occupy your time on triviality, keeping the real facts under wraps.

Time to tell about the other guy and the whole story. That's the source of Jerry's attacks and now Matties. Watch the fireworks then! That's what they DON"T WANT!! They look to discredit and dismiss Duane and YOU, because YOU are a danger, proven correct! And THAT is what this is all about. Open your sleepy eyes!

Give them the old one-two punch. Everybody knows the truth here. No big secret. Nobody's talking, just parading with the bandwagon playing, "Wild Goose Chase." And conjuring up more "straw men." Talking up planted evidence, charades, smoke and mirrors... Such a Shakespearian farce! Slueths? Not on your life! Sloths, perhaps. Slinks, slugs, bloodsuckers, perania, sharks, all in the same genus.