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Something you might have missed in the Al Di web site video. At 0.03 into the very first part of the video, Al Di says "recently destroyed letters". Who destroyed the letters? The FBI? If so, why would the FBI destroy evidence?
Just something for you to chew on and if true the only DNA from the envelopes/stamps on the letters that could be used to ID Cooper have now been destroyed.
One other thing I noticed was the hand writing on the envelopes does not look like the printing of an engineer as it has a back and forth mixture of upper case and lower case printed leters. I use all caps when I print and some engineers use upper for just the beginning of the word but not back and forth as in the Cooper envelopes.
Bob Sailshaw
Something you might have missed in the Al Di web site video. At 0.03 into the very first part of the video, Al Di says "recently destroyed letters". Who destroyed the letters? The FBI? If so, why would the FBI destroy evidence?
Just something for you to chew on and if true the only DNA from the envelopes/stamps on the letters that could be used to ID Cooper have now been destroyed.
One other thing I noticed was the hand writing on the envelopes does not look like the printing of an engineer as it has a back and forth mixture of upper case and lower case printed leters. I use all caps when I print and some engineers use upper for just the beginning of the word but not back and forth as in the Cooper envelopes.
Bob Sailshaw
But I must disagree on some of your article - the one that states "That level of sophisticated sleuthing suggests that Al Di is either an FBI agent or connected to the Bureau and its Cooper investigation" - or that the video is "well financed" and has "high production values".
Well, I do not have an opinion - just reading what you guys are writing. Until the authenticity of the letter is VERIFIED by the FBI and I DO MEAN by the ACTIVE CASE AGENT....this is just useless trivia.
The story on this particular letter are convoluted - and there are "different" stories about the "finding" of this particular item.
Absolutely NO ONE has bothered to try to find the Reno - note that gave a bunch of numbers and letters and challenged the FBI. I have never seen a copy of this letter posted anywhere, but I know 2 letters were sent to Nevada, someone "supposedly" Cooper playing a CAT and MOUSE game.
I would have to go back thru my massive file to find out who first told me about this letter. I certainly didn't make those numbers and letters up and I did NOT force the code to work...it just worked and the other part that NO one would believe so I do not even want state it again.
Something I saw and asked about of my husband - something on the last page of an old indexed address file he had - something I threw away.
If the FBI has actually destroyed evidence such as some of the supposed notes from Cooper - that would really be - SUSPECT and support the covert or government sanctioned theories that float in and out of the Cooper Case.
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"If the FBI has actually destroyed evidence such as some of the supposed notes from Cooper - that would really be - SUSPECT and support the covert or government sanctioned theories that float in and out of the Cooper Case."
We need to differentiate between the FBI and the older FBI agents who were pilots. This was a pilots' deployment, not an official FBI action. If they were not involved with pilots in some way they were not involved with Project Norjak. The ONLY exceptions I have ever heard of are Duane, and myself. We were 'induced' labor. The evidence box was tampered with and evident "lost", the medallion exchanged for the tie clasp and the medallion returned to McCoy. McCoy was never in VietNam. The 305 flight path is being falsified and good information is flushed down the tube. There has been so much crap introduced to this case and official stories changed so often that less than half of it is true anymore. The plane is now made into 'pop cans.' Pretty soon there won't be anything left except Blevins' book. And some of the people will become all of the people, and DB Cooper will become Saint Kenny Claus with a bag full of money for all the little kiddies. Revision 367.
We need to differentiate between the FBI and the older FBI agents who were pilots. This was a pilots' deployment, not an official FBI action. If they were not involved with pilots in some way they were not involved with Project Norjak. The ONLY exceptions I have ever heard of are Duane, and myself. We were 'induced' labor. The evidence box was tampered with and evident "lost", the medallion exchanged for the tie clasp and the medallion returned to McCoy. McCoy was never in VietNam. The 305 flight path is being falsified and good information is flushed down the tube. There has been so much crap introduced to this case and official stories changed so often that less than half of it is true anymore. The plane is now made into 'pop cans.' Pretty soon there won't be anything left except Blevins' book. And some of the people will become all of the people, and DB Cooper will become Saint Kenny Claus with a bag full of money for all the little kiddies. Revision 367.
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It may mean nothing, but at the time the letter was mailed, many media outlets were still referring to the hijacker as 'Dan Cooper'.
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They were?
Many were using DB Cooper! If not most. That's what all of the hub-bub over the name was all about.
Nonfact > Bloviation > more bloviation >
dead certain wrong conclusions = Expertise!
Into the Blast of nonFacts.
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Looking for Al Di, an update.
Mr. Di has not responded to my email inquiries, including for permission to publish his work.
Galen and I had a long chat about Al Di today, and here is a synopsis of what he told me.
Galen has had over 60 emails from the individual calling himself Al Di. Despite numerous requests, Al Di has never identified himself to Galen.
The emails cover a range of DB Cooper topics, but most are inquiries by Al Di to learn more about what Galen knows about the case. That said, Galen characterizes Al Di's knowledge of the case as "superior," and Galen believes that Mr. Di is part of the FBI investigation in some fashion.
Galen has not heard from Al Di in the past two weeks or so, not since Galen challenged him on his decoding process, in particular the colorization of the black and white picture from the web posting Al Di has claimed is his source of Letter #3. Galen thinks Al Di has -or had - access to the original color version of the letter "DB Cooper" sent to the Oregonian.
Snowmman has also weighed-in for the search, but so far none of his leads have panned out.
Have Angel St Michael and the Four Winds weighted
in? Must they!
Al Di does not have to be FBI and could be simply
someone the FBI, or somebody at the FBI, has
chosen to deal with regarding the letters. They chose
Tom and book writer Geoff Gray (and Brown Books!),
so why not Benny Ambrose from Mt Auburn, or Mary
Fonce from Elbows, UT, or Johnny Market at
Penelope, Ohio ?
The problem with being 'special' is you begin to
think you are special! You researches always make
the mistake of assuming you are special and have
an exclusive access to the FBI. The reality is always
otherwise. Theory builders are a dime a dozen.
Al Di could be Jose' at Columbia, KS.
If anyone here has the ability to track the websites
and email it is Snowmman. Do they trace to a
remailer in Florida who also handles porn accounts,
and an suite in Toronto or Amsterdam?
Its always a media event and something special!
Never something as ordinary as: he got away and
could give a fuck. He moved on while others
wrapped themselves up in a saga. It isnt Homerian
involving miracles and clues inside Cracker Jack
boxes !
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It may mean nothing, but at the time the letter was mailed, many media outlets were still referring to the hijacker as 'Dan Cooper'.
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They were?
Many were using DB Cooper! If not most. That's what all of the hub-bub over the name was all about.
Nonfact > Bloviation > more bloviation >
dead certain wrong conclusions = Expertise!
Into the Blast of nonFacts.
Everyone in Seattle was watching the news reports on Cooper for the first few weeks after the hijacking, including yours truly. At first, many of the these broadcasts added that the hijacker used the name DAN COOPER. Remember, we're talking about the first couple of weeks after the hijacking.
And you skipped over the other points I made about why I thought it unlikely Cooper would ID himself by a name he did not invent.
"Question everything"...immediately (days, not weeks) and it stuck. As a matter of fact, after the initial reports, Dan is rarely mentioned in the articles...and when Dan is mentioned, DB is there also. As to a name he didn't invent - I would imagine that, if he survived, he got quite a kick out of having a nom de plume like DB Cooper. Has a certain swagger to it. Kinda like Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent must of felt when they saw the words Batman and Superman in print.
And something I've been wondering about...I don't doubt that after the initial flurry there would not be lasting interest in checking every twenty that was handed to a bank teller, but I'm curious..just because they are listed randomly in the files, how do we make the leap that the serial numbers were not released to banks in sequential order? I've never seen that addressed anywhere.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
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And something I've been wondering about...I don't doubt that after the initial flurry there would not be lasting interest in checking every twenty that was handed to a bank teller, but I'm curious..just because they are listed randomly in the files, how do we make the leap that the serial numbers were not released to banks in sequential order? I've never seen that addressed anywhere.
One of my uncles was on the Board of one of our
hometown banks - rural area - and I thought no way
would the DB Cooper list be at our bank, so Iasked.
"of course we had the list! ... we arent hicks! ... I
remember it well . . . Maggie had the list and
checked every week for months ... nothing ever
turned up here ... I think there's even a minute in
the board meeting(s) about it." I was stunned.
Our little ole bank thousands of miles away from
the State of Washington! I am sure we were the
exception to Blevin's Rule No. 4034. part IIIB. The
urban banks and those in sophisticated Washington
& Oregon were the only ones skipping the list I
guess ... while we here in Corn Town toiled away
fruitlessly, foolishly, endlessly to no avail - laughing
stock as we were and are compared to ( book writers and their publishers who own the planet!)
Everyone in Seattle was watching the news reports on Cooper for the first few weeks after the hijacking, including yours truly. At first, many of the these broadcasts added that the hijacker used the name DAN COOPER. Remember, we're talking about the first couple of weeks after the hijacking.
And you skipped over the other points I made about why I thought it unlikely Cooper would ID himself by a name he did not invent.
"Question everything"...
Note: When Duane Weber told me 11 days before died who he was - he said "I'm Dan Coooper". He did NOT tell me about D.B.Cooper and he did NOT tell me to get someone to come talk to him. If I had known who Dan Cooper was. I could have arranged for him to have provided a statement or have had a witness, but - Dumb Me did NOT know who Dan Cooooper was nor during that stressful time even think about who D.B. Cooper was - my husband was going to be dead in about 5 days - but he lived for 11 day.
Why didn't he just say D.B.Cooper and ask for someone to come by and take a written statement? That is what someone would have done if he was looking for notoriety! Duane didn't do that. He was telling the one person he had spent 17 yrs with and who he trusted his secret. He was upset I did not understand what he was telling me and why he shouted out "Oh, F---, Let it die with me!" He was very upset I did not grasp what he was telling me - and what he told me - I was having none of.
I could not even image the man I had known ever jumping out of a plane. He told me there was something in the van, but didn't tell me where it was - and I didn't ask.
No one will ever know what was in that hidden wallet because I did NOT find it. Both Ann and I checked that overhead compartment. When I was checking it - she said she had already checked it, but I checked it anyway. There WAS NOTHING there and yet the man who bought the van from me claimed he found the wallet in the overhead compartment. (SURELY THE FBI REPORT WILL STATE THE LOCATION THE MAN CLAIMED TO HAVE FOUND THE WALLET IN.) IF IT WAS IN THE OVERHEAD COMPARTMENT - HOW DID THE WIFE AND ANOTHER WOMAN MISS IT?)
When he called me he told me he had found my husband's wallet with his drivers license and papers, but I told him I had my husband's wallet.
Several day later when he brought the wallet to me - I asked him what was in it. He told he had not looked.
The FBI did NOT ask him to do a lie detector test regarding the found wallet, yet Jerry Thomas keeps clamoring for me to take one....which if the FBI wants to pay for , I will gladly do.
If a lie detector test is valid at this late of a date, I suggest the FBI - provide one for me, the man who found the wallet and his wife. Even if there was only a couple of 20's in the wallet - they probably figured I would not miss them since I was unaware of the Wallet. Also note the identifications in the found wallet were for John C. Collins along with a Commutation of sentence in that name - that perhaps NO one would know if anything was missing. Since this man had met my husband he knew the ID was his by the pictures, but the Name Was Not the Same.
A man with 2 names who recently died and his wife having no knowledge of such a wallet. Who is going to miss a 20 dollar bill with Dan Cooper written on it in red ink, but like myself they probably didn't know they were holding a piece of history.
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Jo : finnally! you have agreed to a lie detector /polygraph test. I'll call your bluff. If the FBI won't pay for it, I will and I'm sure there are many others that would love to help pay for one , as well. Only one more thing to do and that is for us too highly publisize this event so that we have national coverage. Guy's can you believe it, finnally the time has come to put a stop to Jo Webers Lies and prove once and for all Jo has frauded this investigation for years. Jerry
Jo. Still waiting on your reply. There is a lot of money you can make on taking this test in public. there are talk shows news media and maybe even a movie deal. Why not go for it . You can be billed as one of houdini's best students or a Mark Twain re encarnation with all your fiction writing. Jerry
Jo. I have made arrangements for the test you have agreed too . I have even contactacted the FBI today. I requested you be given a polygraph and informed them that you have recently agreed to take this test. So where is your response. Jerry
Jo. I will continue to monitor Drop Zone for all your comments untill you respond to your request to take a polygraph test . The public already knows what the outcome will be! Or Do they. Jerry
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Jo. I will continue to monitor Drop Zone for all your comments untill you respond to your request to take a polygraph test . The public already knows what the outcome will be! Or Do they. Jerry
Depends on how many trick questions you ask. You can make anyone fail if you know the answers and key the questions. Let me ask the questions and we will see if she can pass a fair test. I think she will pass with flying colors, uh, red and white.
I talked to Uncle Mac.... You told me a fib.
Bob! You could not pass any test given to you , This is not about you , Stay out of it . Jerry
Jo. Still waiting on your reply. There is a lot of money you can make on taking this test in public. there are talk shows news media and maybe even a movie deal. Why not go for it . You can be billed as one of houdini's best students or a Mark Twain re encarnation with all your fiction writing. Jerry
Jerry, unlike you I do NOT look for media attention so NO I will NOT make a public spectacle out of this and NO I will NOT do if you pay for it. This has to be AT the request of the FBI and done BY the FBI and I also made the stipulation they order a test on the buyer of the van and his wife.
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Recently I was accused of Slamming someone. At 72 yrs of age I really have NO IDEA what that means.
I could only relate it to my mention of being used as a puppet by someone outside of this thread. I am NOT the only person to have been used as a PUPPET by another person NOT in this thread. I always referred to it as a Cat and Mouse Game.
If anyone was offended by this I apologize, but no offense was meant against anyone in this thread.
I have also been told that I am adding "facts" to the story. Sorry, but I have added NO facts.
There are discoveries - such as clarification on a subject - which I had tried in vain to explain in the past - but only to find that other had DELIBERATELY mis-directed me. Other times I tried to descibe items and place and was told they did NOT exist or be misdirected by others. None of this detered me NOT to continue to search for a better way to relate what I have said for 17 yrs.
Recently I was driven by my own desperation trying to describe something others ignored for yrs and yrs. I started to search and then I found out the way I was describing it caused others to think "this" or "that" until I decided to try a different "usage" of a specific word in a search engine only to find something I have described many times over yrs actually did exist. In the beginning I had to ACCEPT what Himmelsbach and other told me - until I started to seek out the truth on my own. The computer has been a good asset in this - but, consider how little I know how to do these kind of searches.
My trip in 2000 and then the biggy in 2010 - after yrs of being called a liar by an individual who posts to this thread and being told places and things I describe over and over did NOT exist, I never gave up - only a few times did I feel all was lost.
I have my communications with individuals I have kept for Years.
Both on disk and on paper. I continue to try to discharge the things BK claims I have said, but I have black and white that state my story over and over and over - NOT anything like BK has stated. I have admitted to BAITING the man to see what he really knew. I have never denied that....
Please someone point out to me exactly what I have changed in the story I have told regarding Duane Weber (Dan Coooper) outside of the theories I chased just like everyone else.
If anyone is noticing that my fact are seeming to ADD up or "think"I have PLANTED something - Please make it clear exactly what you are referring to. Quote me with date, post and what was said and the counter post where I supposedly back-up and make a corrections.
Yes, I do make mistakes and after several yrs of posting, I am sure I might be re-stating some things in a slightly different tone.
But as for a deliberate lie or changing of any facts - no, I have not done so. I will also note that thru my trips to WA and learning how to search for things - I made clarification.
Yes, I have done some teases to extract information or to continue a specific conversation - "We all have a little Larsency in our Hearts". I will never forget a former person in Duane's life using that same expression many time and that Max Gunthers character "Clara" also used the same expression in a typed communication regarding Cooper.
It has also been mentioned to me recently that I have made "plants" and I would appreciate it anyone considers a specific post a plant and then give me supporting reasons for this statement being called a "Plant".
BE SPECIFIC regarding the specific subject and be sure you quote my posting something to deceive or contrive a fact. I will try to explain myself or the subject.
I could only relate it to my mention of being used as a puppet by someone outside of this thread. I am NOT the only person to have been used as a PUPPET by another person NOT in this thread. I always referred to it as a Cat and Mouse Game.
If anyone was offended by this I apologize, but no offense was meant against anyone in this thread.
I have also been told that I am adding "facts" to the story. Sorry, but I have added NO facts.
There are discoveries - such as clarification on a subject - which I had tried in vain to explain in the past - but only to find that other had DELIBERATELY mis-directed me. Other times I tried to descibe items and place and was told they did NOT exist or be misdirected by others. None of this detered me NOT to continue to search for a better way to relate what I have said for 17 yrs.
Recently I was driven by my own desperation trying to describe something others ignored for yrs and yrs. I started to search and then I found out the way I was describing it caused others to think "this" or "that" until I decided to try a different "usage" of a specific word in a search engine only to find something I have described many times over yrs actually did exist. In the beginning I had to ACCEPT what Himmelsbach and other told me - until I started to seek out the truth on my own. The computer has been a good asset in this - but, consider how little I know how to do these kind of searches.
My trip in 2000 and then the biggy in 2010 - after yrs of being called a liar by an individual who posts to this thread and being told places and things I describe over and over did NOT exist, I never gave up - only a few times did I feel all was lost.
I have my communications with individuals I have kept for Years.
Both on disk and on paper. I continue to try to discharge the things BK claims I have said, but I have black and white that state my story over and over and over - NOT anything like BK has stated. I have admitted to BAITING the man to see what he really knew. I have never denied that....
Please someone point out to me exactly what I have changed in the story I have told regarding Duane Weber (Dan Coooper) outside of the theories I chased just like everyone else.
If anyone is noticing that my fact are seeming to ADD up or "think"I have PLANTED something - Please make it clear exactly what you are referring to. Quote me with date, post and what was said and the counter post where I supposedly back-up and make a corrections.
Yes, I do make mistakes and after several yrs of posting, I am sure I might be re-stating some things in a slightly different tone.
But as for a deliberate lie or changing of any facts - no, I have not done so. I will also note that thru my trips to WA and learning how to search for things - I made clarification.
Yes, I have done some teases to extract information or to continue a specific conversation - "We all have a little Larsency in our Hearts". I will never forget a former person in Duane's life using that same expression many time and that Max Gunthers character "Clara" also used the same expression in a typed communication regarding Cooper.
It has also been mentioned to me recently that I have made "plants" and I would appreciate it anyone considers a specific post a plant and then give me supporting reasons for this statement being called a "Plant".
BE SPECIFIC regarding the specific subject and be sure you quote my posting something to deceive or contrive a fact. I will try to explain myself or the subject.
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Bob! You could not pass any test given to you , This is not about you , Stay out of it . Jerry
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Yes, I can pass any fair test. So can Jo. The FBI is NOT going to expose their flank to the truth of our statements. I agree with her on this one. Why do you try so hard to kill the story? Nobody is going to be arrested. Nobody is "after" anybody. You are all paranoid! Face facts. Cowboy up. Work on your day job, you are really good at that. Not this. You have been fed a line of make-believe by TOG that just ain't so. I understand, but it is wrong, bud.
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In Reply To Jo:
"Yes, I have done some teases to extract information or to continue a specific conversation - "We all have a little Larsency in our Hearts".
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Some of us really do not. I am not the one to ask about changing your story or lying about facts, since that is about all you have exposed me too after you realized the truth of my statements. It takes the wind out of your sails and makes your story a bye-line. So, I'm now always wrong, always lying, always insane, always faking, and never knew Duane. Amazing. You said Gunther's book was not true, now it is? A red and white canopy? Never in Bloomington, MN? Not in MO. under Weber? Never knew McCoy? McCoy was shot dead? No TOG? No McCoy? Hundreds of examples. Half of your story. "But I love you anyway."
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I remember reading in one of those trivia type books that there was a rumor about the stars either in or beside the "P" on the cover of Playboy. The rumor was that these stars indicated the number of times Hugh had slept with that month's cover girl or how "good" she was. Sigh...what silly creatures boys can be sometimes 
Hugh probably started that one.
Oh well, seems the actual reason for the stars was to designate the advertising region for different editions of the magazine.
Apparently, the number of stars indicated the domestic or international advertising region for that edition of the magazine. The regions included a military edition, Canada, the United Kingdom, Chicago, Los Angeles metro, New York metro, eastern United States,
southwestern United States, etc. Each edition had a certain number of ads intended for the regional audience only. The stars enabled the distribution people to identify the editions and send them to the right place.
Unfortunately for Cooper sleuths, looks like the stars are cut off on original letter. 
(If it would have meant anything anyway - those are some wide distribution areas - but was this cunning or dumb luck by whoever constructed the letter)
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I can't really see it well, but looks like there's something around the "O" too but I've not seen anything on the internet that indicates that this is significant. Of course, I didn't look very hard either. Just putting it out there...
Edited to say...I looked here https://cr3.com/sillycart.cgi?a=l;s=playboys and doesn't appear, to me, that there is anything relevant beside the "O" on that July 1970 cover.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
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After reviewing many of the previous pages...and giving it a lot of thought...I've decided to join the ranks of Farflung and a few others. In other words, I'm suspending any more posts to this thread.
It wasn't an order, but it's been strongly suggested to me by Greg Page and other members of the AB staff that I do this. Especially after the second time I was banned for a month. The general consensus around the office is that when outside folks read my posts, I could be doing more harm than good for AB. I don't know about that, but I'm going to bow to the will of the majority.
I really don't have anything else to contribute to the Cooper case anyway. And if I did before, I already presented it. I'm not angry with anyone, either. Until this thread disintegrated into arguing and tall tales, it was a lot of fun being here. The last few months...well, sometimes a thread runs its course. It isn't fun for me anymore. It wasn't hard to finally go public and say 'no mas'. If you are happy about it, that makes two of us.
You can keep tabs on anything new I dig up regarding Cooper on our DB Cooper Info page. From now on, I will post anything I have to say there, or elsewhere on the AB site. The pages are self-explanatory. If it's an article with pictures, you can find me at my Newsvine/MSNBC column.
As far as Kenny Christiansen being Cooper, I will never be satisfied until Bernie Geestman, Helen Jones, Jones' daughter, Dawn J, (Geestman's sister) and the Grimes' couple are interviewed by the Seattle FBI. (Grimes=where KC bought house and adjoining lot, Geestman was their Best Man)
Sincerely yours,
Robert
Hmmm.
Do bubbles feel it was worth being a bubble?
The excitement of that phone call with the co-pilot I never ever will forget. We kept finishing each others sentence - I wish there had been a witness to that conversation...I was describing the bag Duane had he was describing the container Cooper was given. One of us would start the sentence and the other one would finish it.......
When did he give this interview to another party and when? As far as I know I was the only one he had discussed the bag with because I describe it to him and he finished my description? I will never forget that moment as long as I live.
WOW! Now do you guys believe me. The co-PILOT actually Validated what he told me many yrs ago...I think I am going to cry. The same thing he told me except he didn't call it a napsack.
Cooper asked for a Napsack but the money was not delivered in a napsack. The White Bank bag was placed into another container when it was taken on the plane. I wish I could draw a picture of that bag. I have tried to find one like it on line but never found anything even close.
[RED]I suggest the FBI present several bags to me and ask me which one was the closest to what Duane had.[/RED]
To make sure I was not just drawing off of someone else - The FBI could get an artist try to draw the bag as I remembered it. Or perhaps someone else could find bags I did NOT find and I could pick the one the closest. Some of you tried but NO one was close.
THEN find out IF my match agrees with the Co-pilot and Tina's description. SHOW them all of the examples and SEE if they PICKED the same one I do.
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WHY can't the FBI simplify this:
Present about 20 photos of bags (not the whitish bank bag, but the bag that the money went out of that plane in) to me and let me choose the one that was the closest to the one I described to Himmelsbach even though he told me such a bag had NOTHING to do with the crime and that the money was in a white bank bag.
I am talking about the container the money was placed into either by the man who delivered the money to the plane or after it was on the plane.
If JT is so close to the FBI why can't he get them to do this one simple thing? That is because the FBI does NOT take orders from JT and he has NO connection to the FBI incharge of the investigation.
Perhaps you guy need to look at at all of the different articles written about him - and his supposed involvement in exposing various suspect, such as the taxi drivers friend. Then and only then can any of you judge me. Judge the man who was supposedly involved in many stories about Cooper over the yrs and how many different suspect he has backed.
JT could not pass a polygraph involving Cooper and the suspects he has supported.
Not one of you have met my challenge. Do your research about what I have said - NOT what someone else has said I stated or TRIED to shove down my throat, but what I have wirtten. I have maintained since get go the MONEY did not go out of the plane in a whitish bank bag, but Duane was in possession of the bank bag in 1990. The container the bag was placed in was a satchel in my possession in 1996 and I was told it had NOTHING to do with the crime.
The whitish bank bag was placed inside of another container.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
The excitement of that phone call with the co-pilot I never ever will forget. We kept finishing each others sentence - I wish there had been a witness to that conversation...I was describing the bag Duane had he was describing the container Cooper was given. One of us would start the sentence and the other one would finish it.......
When did he give this interview to another party and when? As far as I know I was the only one he had discussed the bag with because I describe it to him and he finished my description? I will never forget that moment as long as I live.
WOW! Now do you guys believe me. The co-PILOT actually Validated what he told me many yrs ago...I think I am going to cry. The same thing he told me except he didn't call it a napsack.
Cooper asked for a Napsack but the money was not delivered in a napsack. The White Bank bag was placed into another container when it was taken on the plane. I wish I could draw a picture of that bag. I have tried to find one like it on line but never found anything even close.
[RED]I suggest the FBI present several bags to me and ask me which one was the closest to what Duane had.[/RED]
To make sure I was not just drawing off of someone else - The FBI could get an artist try to draw the bag as I remembered it. Or perhaps someone else could find bags I did NOT find and I could pick the one the closest. Some of you tried but NO one was close.
THEN find out IF my match agrees with the Co-pilot and Tina's description. SHOW them all of the examples and SEE if they PICKED the same one I do.
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WHY can't the FBI simplify this:
Present about 20 photos of bags (not the whitish bank bag, but the bag that the money went out of that plane in) to me and let me choose the one that was the closest to the one I described to Himmelsbach even though he told me such a bag had NOTHING to do with the crime and that the money was in a white bank bag.
I am talking about the container the money was placed into either by the man who delivered the money to the plane or after it was on the plane.
If JT is so close to the FBI why can't he get them to do this one simple thing? That is because the FBI does NOT take orders from JT and he has NO connection to the FBI incharge of the investigation.
Perhaps you guy need to look at at all of the different articles written about him - and his supposed involvement in exposing various suspect, such as the taxi drivers friend. Then and only then can any of you judge me. Judge the man who was supposedly involved in many stories about Cooper over the yrs and how many different suspect he has backed.
JT could not pass a polygraph involving Cooper and the suspects he has supported.
Not one of you have met my challenge. Do your research about what I have said - NOT what someone else has said I stated or TRIED to shove down my throat, but what I have wirtten. I have maintained since get go the MONEY did not go out of the plane in a whitish bank bag, but Duane was in possession of the bank bag in 1990. The container the bag was placed in was a satchel in my possession in 1996 and I was told it had NOTHING to do with the crime.
The whitish bank bag was placed inside of another container.
You make a few assertions with out proof again. You're also approaching this backwards, making BK style demands, and demanding people do YOUR research to prove your assertions.
If your so convinced, then you prove it.
Look up the pics and say which one you had possession of.
Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
BobKnoss 0
"You make a few assertions with out proof again. You're also approaching this backwards, making BK style demands, and demanding people do YOUR research to prove your assertions.
If your so convinced, then you prove it.
Look up the pics and say which one you had possession of.
Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.
Matt "
YOU are the one who always has it wrong, Matt. We are not trying to prosecute the case, either of us. We both have asked for assistance in finding things we believe to be true that help the case. We are not asking you to run a kangaroo court with ruff-shod backwards under-the-table rules.
If you have to present yourself as a straw man judge and jury, we (she) does not need you biased opinions since you actually know nothing of the project, or at least your comments express that ignorance. Get it? Crew guy?
If your so convinced, then you prove it.
Look up the pics and say which one you had possession of.
Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.
Matt "
YOU are the one who always has it wrong, Matt. We are not trying to prosecute the case, either of us. We both have asked for assistance in finding things we believe to be true that help the case. We are not asking you to run a kangaroo court with ruff-shod backwards under-the-table rules.
If you have to present yourself as a straw man judge and jury, we (she) does not need you biased opinions since you actually know nothing of the project, or at least your comments express that ignorance. Get it? Crew guy?
"You make a few assertions with out proof again. You're also approaching this backwards, making BK style demands, and demanding people do YOUR research to prove your assertions.
If your so convinced, then you prove it.
Look up the pics and say which one you had possession of.
Attacking others credibility when yours is suspect is a childish endeavor, and is beneath any decent person.
Matt "
YOU are the one who always has it wrong, Matt. We are not trying to prosecute the case, either of us. We both have asked for assistance in finding things we believe to be true that help the case. We are not asking you to run a kangaroo court with ruff-shod backwards under-the-table rules.
If you have to present yourself as a straw man judge and jury, we (she) does not need you biased opinions since you actually know nothing of the project, or at least your comments express that ignorance. Get it? Crew guy?
"No, I am saying TOG planned a "false Flag" Government Operation authorized by Nixon. I accuse nobody. If you dig deeper you will find the parachute packing experience. His pack jobs were a very sought after item. He started out packing all his own, then for others. This is something that has been eliminated from his bios. TOG did the training, which tells you he was a competent experienced jumper. He did some high altitude jumps also. Remember, anything of any importance has been altered or omitted wherever possible. You might try to get his military records, but I know they made major changes in McCoy's records. He was Mennonite (Mormon) and would not take up arms to fight, just like me. He was NEVER in VietNam, me either. You are asking about one of the biggest cover-up legacies in History. It includes MLK's assassination and Jim Jones' Jonestown mass suicide, and perhaps other McCoy involvements. That stuff is all on the internet to read yourself. Search Richard A. McCoy CIA and hang on to your shorts. The ties are the lawyers, follow the lawyers' histories and the book unfolds. It is all in public view. With McCoy, his tie is O'Hara from 1968 through 1975, when Mac got his own undercover crew, "The Dog Boys". Happy reading."
Explain that, oddness.
And insults again, although much more "professional" sounding this time.
Fist it was no "project", only your conspiracy theory claims that. It was a criminal act, there is NO EVIDENCE to support you, only your subject "word".
I try no one, but if there is no evidence we need to move one and actually move on and research real evidence.
You an Jo both do the same thing, asking the thread to prove your conspiracy.
It is you responsibility to prove your conspiracy, not lours, it is ours to prove it wrong, and we have over and over, you just wont admit it yet.
IMO all you do is fabricate lies and misdirect the thread. IMO your a hindrance that should not be allowed to stand in the way of progress any more.
On another note - I do enjoy the other sight that has developed the flight path and DZ/LZ information from FAA and FBI evidence and is recreating the flight.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
You can type any word in front of "satchel" and get the same images. Took a while to figure that out. You still get the same 3 million hits.
I did a little real life research and came up with the following:
A Minneapolis Northwest pilot from the Cooper era suggested to me that the money case might be a camera bag. It seems, according to his story, that a Northwest management employee was involved in helping count and copy the ransom money. There was very little time, so they ran the money through a photocopier and rebundled the money with rubber bands. They had nothing to put the money in, so the NW guy grabbed his BRAND NEW EXPENSIVE camera bag and used that. "Everyone has to contribute something," he said. That was his contribution.
Now, you can believe that, or not. It is what was told to me, wether or not it is true is not my call. It is just another opinion told by a series of people. Another circle jerk. To be sure you'd have to research it and talk to the guy from NW who was Count DeMonne'. I could lead you by the nose, but that would only give ME satisfaction. Do your own work!
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