DB Cooper

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"Some sources have stated that the FBI microfilmed the money as they prepared it to go the the airport."

No, there was no time. A Northwest official whose name I can find if my life depends on it, ran all of the bills through a copy machine. The FBI may have microfilmed the photocopies afterwards, but lets be accurate here. The FBI couldn't do ANYTHING quickly in the day.

"There is no way to tell if the bills found on Tena were from the same original bundles or not. Tom"

The bills were hurriedly rebundled by NW people as they were photocopied and it is more than safe to assume Duane didn't rebundle them again.

The bills in the photocopies would be grouped in the stacks. Sorry, Tom, your information is totally incorrect. You can't GUESS at facts. If you want the truth, come to THE source. Ha-ha-ha!

If this plan started in 68, why would they have to rush in order to get the money? seems this part would have been taken care of weeks or months ahead of time?

If you ask me, I think getting $200,000 and four chutes in matter of hours was pretty good, just trying to be "accurate" like yourself

If you want the truth, come to THE source. Ha-ha-ha! ???? strange statement

Again, who is caretakeral?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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In order for a theory to be plausible, it has to fit the evidence. The milk-can-floating-bobber theory does not fit the evidence. The planted-at-Tena's-Bar theory does not fit the evidence. At least Tosaw's and Mr. H's theories give some explanation to the condition of the bills at Tena's Bar.

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"Again, who is caretakeral?"

Mac, Duane and I were all apartment caretakers. My codename for Project Norjak is "Al", my middle name is Alan, hence, CaretakerAl as a screen name.

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The video is kind of hard to use to judge things. Makes it look vat dyed (line and all) and real dusty, since it juts came out of the dirt that would make sense, the dusty part.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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"If I were you, I would stop mentioning Regina and her article. Quade's not dumb, you know. He might go look for himself and then it might be THIS for YOU."

Since I had NOTHING to do with that garbage I invite competent investigation! I suspect you can set a trap, being as crooked as you are, and since you are the ramrod on the effort. That's YOUR subject matter and has absolutely NO draw for me. Georger has you pegged. Jim told me your association as CREW! Dedicated to the death, huh? I consider it CRIMINAL! Conspirator after the fact. 20 years in my book. Got you written down. Hasta la vista, baby! Fish.

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"Again, who is caretakeral?"

Mac, Duane and I were all apartment caretakers. My codename for Project Norjak is "Al", my middle name is Alan, hence, CaretakerAl as a screen name.

Which is it: Norjak or Norjack? you spell it one way, and then use the other as your other persona. Al.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[BobKnoss 0]

"In order for a theory to be plausible, it has to fit the evidence. The milk-can-floating-bobber theory does not fit the evidence."

The milk can is not a theory, it is fact. Please explain your theory, as the facts available do indeed fit the evidence. You just do not have suficient evidence to make a conclusion. You don't have the milk can, you don't have location, you don't have flood history, you don't have McCoy's testimony, and you know little or nothing of the floatability of bundles of bills. I suspect a rush to judgement based on a personal guess, right?

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"Which is it: Norjak or Norjack? you spell it one way, and then use the other as your other persona. Al. "

Matt

Back in your crib, Matty. It's still your beddy time.

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"Which is it: Norjak or Norjack? you spell it one way, and then use the other as your other persona. Al. "

Matt

Back in your crib, Matty. It's still your beddy time.

Answer the question.

Thanks for admitting that this is all a fabrication and a game to you earlier though, that was refreshing. How does it feel, having written your first honest post?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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"If you ask me, I think getting $200,000 and four chutes in matter of hours was pretty good, just trying to be "accurate" like yourself."

They ran around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out who was supposed to get the chutes, who had them stowed for the Project and how to get them. Best laid plans of mice and men....... Went to the wrong place and almost ended up with the wrong chutes. Had to use the "SPECIAL" sewen shut chute to assure no tampering, the one belonging to 'kingpin', the rigger, who sewed it shut and put the "X" on it. Throw that one out at your interview and see some eyes light up! Would like to see the look on his face when confronted with some truth. (Not Cos though he knows)

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Matt

I like pie.

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Matt

I like pie.

Me too, but unlike you, I like the truth more.

Still waiting on evidence, since none has come from you, yet. Just backless, baseless words.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Read my words then, Newest Crew Member. You funny guy. Contribute ZERO then pretend to lead the band. Fart in the wind, Mattie. When you come back, bring pie..

Answer the question? It's a pointless question from a flamer. No. You're done.

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BK goes on and on with opinions stated as irrefutable fact, wild conspiracy theories and alleged hearsay but NEVER EVER provides independently verifiable evidence to back his incredible claims.

It's fine with me if BK posts here but isnt it time that we engage him a bit less?

We have more productive things to discuss. Take the tie-tanium for example. I'd like to see if Norman (the owner of the main chutes) who ran an active machine shop during the time of the skyjack, might have been the source of the metals found on the tie. If the chutes were kept in his shop might they have been contaminated with titanium residue and aluminum curls? Could Cooper's tie have picked up residue from the chutes? Bruce could ask Norman if he was working with titanium prior to the skyjack and if so what type?

That's a lot more interesting (to me) than arguing with BK about the living dead (McCoy) and the complicit crewman (Rataczak) allegations.

BK has made his point about a hundred times. We know his theory. What's the point in endlessly arguing with him? I've decided to stop unless and until he provides some real evidence.

I am not holding my breath.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[mrshutter45 21]

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BK goes on and on with opinions stated as irrefutable fact, wild conspiracy theories and alleged hearsay but NEVER EVER provides independently verifiable evidence to back his incredible claims.

It's fine with me if BK posts here but isnt it time that we engage him a bit less?

We have more productive things to discuss. Take the tie-tanium for example. I'd like to see if Norman (the owner of the main chutes) who ran an active machine shop during the time of the skyjack, might have been the source of the metals found on the tie. If the chutes were kept in his shop might they have been contaminated with titanium residue and aluminum curls? Could Cooper's tie have picked up residue from the chutes? Bruce could ask Norman if he was working with titanium prior to the skyjack and if so what type?

That's a lot more interesting (to me) than arguing with BK about the living dead (McCoy) and the complicit crewman (Rataczak) allegations.

BK has made his point about a hundred times. We know his theory. What's the point in endlessly arguing with him? I've decided to stop unless and until he provides some real evidence.

I am not holding my breath.

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we could go on another year perhaps with BK, but as you said, it's not worth the hassle, anyway I will be up loading my findings on the tie clip, I'm putting it onto video to help explain it better might have it online in a couple hours

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

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I got a message from Snowmman today saying that the traditional story of the Recordak machine is incorrect. He says he heard this from SA Larry Carr. The bills, he says, were photographed onto microfilm.

I don't vouch for this. Just passing along the message.

I'm re-joining the Ignore Knoss club. I will continue to post occasionally on other subjects, but I'm skipping over his posts. My suggestion for everyone here is to do the same. He's presented his case, such as it is, without evidence. It's been rejected for lack of same, in my opinion.

I'll have to check but, It was my understanding that the money came from several banks, not sure though.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

Tie clip vid.

I put my video up on You Tube, this is only a test video, I still have things to change and add and give credit to photo's used etc

and put into HD format

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5a_qSBqIYM

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

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Good video. Needs a few text edits. 'alot' should be 'a lot' and you left off the 'I' in FBI. Maybe a couple of other minor errors. No big deal, though.

You should end the video with a 30-second shot of the Cooper clip, showing both sides in as high a res as possible. Or maybe a full minute, 15 seconds on the back, 15 front, 15 back, end with 15 front. It's the most important image, the one people will compare to.

Anson is a good bet. I remember seeing stuff by them all over the place when I was younger. You have to take a shot here or there. For example. I would start with distributors based in the western half of the US. Nice job.

Thanks, I saw all of the errors and will change, I'll be adding more info on the conpanies I mentioned and credit Citizen Sleuths.com for the pics used.

I always have a habit of "alot" vs a lot the final cut will be in HD format.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

Anson was in Rhode Island, actually many jewelry manufacturing companies are from that area, and distributed out of Utah

they are C&J jewelry company now, same place

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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The money came from one bank and was kept on hand for such an occasion. As for Carr's statement - he was just speaking in a language that the younger generation could understand. Bet he does NOT know what a Recordak machine was! I admit I do not know what a Recordak is.

TODAY:
Married Duane WEBER
March 27, 1978

So today if my math is correct would be our 34th Anniversary.

TOMORROW:
Duane Weber died March 28, 1995.

If my math is right he died 17 yrs ago.

This has been a long battle and I am tired. I try to let go, but when individuals enter FALSE information about what I have said and about Duane Weber, I have to speak up.

Very tired of fighting the elements of a certain poster.

The TRUTH about where the name CaretakerAl came from:

I told BK about the caretaker of the Ledbetter property on Lake LaCames. I kept quizing him for information and told him things Duane mentioned to me on the trip - this was BEFORE I went to WA. in 2001. The moment I saw the house and the lake "I thought was a river" I was able to start putting the pieces of the trip together. (Note that JT had claimed I was on the river and that Duane had doubled back on me. A deliberate deception on his part, but why?) Had it NOT been one female truck driver who I call Angel Udell and 5 citizens of WA - I would NOT have found the Lake or the Mansion in 2001.

I had witnesses who experienced my discovery and know the crew for the documentary took me to other places for their benefit and at the direction of JT. If JT had been truthful to the media and to the FBI about what I was describing - this old crime would have been solve LONG ago.

Back to the care taker of the Ledbetter property. I begged the FBI to find out who the care taker was during the yrs 1944 to 1949 and also from 1962 to 1966 as those would have been the yrs that Duane had a relationship with the caretaker.

When Duane showed me this house - he talked about the Care Taker and that he used to know him. Duane even mentioned other structures on the property that I could not see.
Duane was VERY familiar with the property.

On Lake LaCames was at one time a point with 3 fishing cabins on it. Only the remains of one still existed in 1979. In 2001 the point was still there, but a Red building was there. The director of the Curry Youth Camp further up the road told the undercover detective and me that if we had walked around the red build we would have seen the remains of that one cottage.

He asked if I saw the Lilly Pads - because the area in 1979 had a steep incline to the lake per my memory. He said just beyond those lilies there was a steep drop off. A lot had changed from 1979 to 2001. Then in 2010 when I went back the red building was gone and the lake was even higher and the point no longer existed.

Strange - JT insisted NONE of the above existed. Does NOT one of you find this ODD. I do! I don't know what to make of it, but you can bet another voice in this thread will make what I have just said into one of this fairy tales with distorted information. He needs to understand that I have told this story before in this thread and it has never changed.

Finding who the CARETAKER of the Ledbetter properties was and his name is one of the most valuable clues to finding Duane's history in WA. Why could the FBI have NOT investigated this part? Because it was a footprint they wanted left alone! Note another poster incorporates my words into his vocabulary and his story. This is how he incorporated CareTaker into his story.

He will deny this! Knoss and JT are cut from the same mold. They are a conspiracy all by themselves.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

No one keeps a secret forever.
Duane Weber was in the The Dalles and Washougal. Damn the FBI! Damn them for throwing my life away because they couldn't do their damn job. Maybe they did their JOB. Maybe their job was to cover it all up.

Apple Orchards, smokejumpers, airstrips and mentors. He was right there in the middle of it all.

Damn our DAMN Government - Damn them!

That is a tie tac in the picture and it looks like the one the FBI has.

I told them everything they needed to know to put Weber in those locations, but they never picked up a phone or sent a guy to these places...no one investigated the things I told them. I didn't know how to dig thru the old county records and files nor did I have the time or money.

Lots and Lots of mixed emotions right now.

JT claimed to have done this or that - he did NOTHING!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Tie clip vid.

I put my video up on You Tube, this is only a test video, I still have things to change and add and give credit to photo's used etc

and put into HD format

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5a_qSBqIYM

Stupid question. If the tie came from Penny's did
Penny's also sell these tie clasps, made by who?
Have you talked to Penny's (Dallas) ?

[mrshutter45 21]

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Tie clip vid.

I put my video up on You Tube, this is only a test video, I still have things to change and add and give credit to photo's used etc

and put into HD format

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5a_qSBqIYM

Stupid question. If the tie came from Penny's did
Penny's also sell these tie clasps, made by who?
Have you talked to Penny's (Dallas) ?

well, not a stupid question but, from this stand point I found that Towncraft made some jewelry but don't know if they had that clip, Penny's bought Jewelry from Weiss among others I'm sure, so, from this stand point I was not able to link the clip to Penny's this clip was a very popular clip, to be manufactured for that long of a period makes it very tough to track back to respective manufacture's.

The other problem is the fact that someone could have been the lead manufacture and not marking the piece and selling it out wholesale, remember back in the day you would see the name of the company on a tag attached to the jewelry.

I emailed several people on Ebay and some from different sites where the clip was for sale and none of them had any markings what so ever! very frustrating to find out from every responce!

The company Art Crest has split off into 5 or 6 different names over the years all the way back from 1948, including the sales of jewelry boxes! many of the smaller Jewelry stores could have bought boxes and that clip and sold them with there tag on the piece.

I went as far as to checking the U.S. Patent website on the companies and tried to find a trademark or Patent on the piece, Anson has Patents on several tie clips but, but not this one! a very large percentage of Anson's business was to Tiffany's back in this time period.

I am open to any other options that we can check

one could also assume Cooper was single (living alone) the clip was bent, maybe Cooper would take the tie off and throw it on the floor in the bedroom after a long day stepping on it at one point? who knows

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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"Take the tie-tanium for example. I'd like to see if Norman (the owner of the main chutes) who ran an active machine shop during the time of the skyjack, might have been the source of the metals found on the tie. If the chutes were kept in his shop might they have been contaminated with titanium residue...."

Look at the picture of the tie. If you examine the knot of the tie you can detect a residue such as would have collected from contact with Duane's throat-chin area. I believe this is the area where the highest concentration of titanium would have been found.

Duane used a homemade mixture of make-up to change his complexion to the "Olive Skinned" appearance reported by witnesses. If you will kindly Google, "titanium" you will be suprised to discover that titanium (dioxide) is the main ingrediant in many make-up cremes. Titanium dioxide is a coloring pigment for white paints of all descriptions. Zinc oxide is an ointment for medicinal purposes and is a similar color. I know that you would find titanium on Duane's tie along with green and flesh colored pigments for this reason. I have no explanation for aluminum shavings, however. Curls would suggest drilling and the size of the curls could give clue to the size of a drilled hole. Could also possibly be cross-contamination from maintenance on the aircraft? Chips on the tie might suggest an overhead hole? Lying down? Can't imagine a logical explanation.

If you want sensible input, sir, we need to share civil conversation, not attack like those crew attack dogs. I appreciate your generally gentleman's conduct and wish to reciprocate without half-witted troll responses, IF I have any possibly relative information that is REAL.

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"No one can say for sure whether the FBI made a serious effort, or made mistakes investigating Weber, but after all the years of publicity about him, still nothing new has emerged. A deathbed statement, and little else in the way of direct evidence. At least nothing that can be verified now by living witnesses."

Bold-faced COVER-UP!!!! I am a living witness and I 100% verified Duane Weber's deathbed statement AND I 100% positively identified Duane Weber as Dan Cooper. The FBI is covering up the truth, as Jo Weber claims.