DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 785]

No,,,, you have it backwards, I was accused of not using the term path correctly.. I used it correctly,, but you can use course, route or whatever you want it doesn't change the facts..

Cooper had no way to know the location the plane would be when he jumped... that is the foundation of the theory and fails. He gave no instructions or confirmation to know where it would be.. the plane could have taken many dozens of paths.. it was a last minute change to take V23...  those are facts, not opinions..

Enjoy your collective delusions.. absurd nonsensical theories and poor case knowledge..

It feels like a discussion with children.. 

Cooper's LZ was Ad Hoc,, no way around it.

Edited September 28 by FLYJACK

[Kamkisky 30]

53 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Cooper had no way to know the location the plane would be when he jumped...

He knew where he started from, and where he came from. He knew the location they were heading towards, he had just negotiated it. He could tell which direction they went at take off. He knew they weren’t flying full speed and the length of time he was in the air. He knew the terrain from the air and land. He knew 10k ft was below mountains to the east. Pilots could see lights, he could too. 
 

Your theory he was totally clueless about his location is what’s not supported by the evidence. 

Edited September 28 by Kamkisky

[FLYJACK 785]

29 minutes ago, Kamkisky said:

He knew where he started from, and where he came from. He knew the location they were heading towards, he had just negotiated it. He could tell which direction they went at take off. He knew they weren’t flying full speed and the length of time he was in the air. He knew the terrain from the air and land. Pilots could see lights, he could too. 
 

Your theory he was totally clueless about his location is what’s not supported by the evidence. 

What is wrong with you people..

Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it true...

Cooper only knew they were flying to Reno,,, 

The path/route/course whatever to Reno was unknown to him,,, the plane could have taken dozens of possibilities,,, V23 was arguably the worst option over a populated area.. V165 was the best designated airway.. there are several V27's and V23 breaks into 3 distinct airways at Battle Ground...  AND the plane did not have to take a designated airway, they could have been anywhere...  there is no way Cooper knew the plane would be at that spot.. The foundation of your argument is that Cooper knew they could only take V23,,,  that is false... The fact that he never gave instructions or confirmed its location in any way proves his LZ was Ad Hoc..

 

You don't know if he could tell the direction..

They were not travelling full speed..  

You don't know that he knew the terrain..

You don't know if he saw lights at all or could where he jumped.

 

You are making it all up and ignoring the facts...

I never said he was totally clueless, you are making that up as well...

The Ad Hoc LZ is supported by the evidence...

He just jumped as soon as feasible regardless of the path/route/course the plane was on...  this is really simple to stuff.

The irony is that your claims are not supported by the evidence and you claim the Ad Hoc LZ is not... it is..

 

Edited September 28 by FLYJACK

[Kamkisky 30]

29 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

The foundation of your argument is that Cooper knew they could only take V23,,,

I’m unclear how many times I’ll need to write this is a strawman. 
 

 

[FLYJACK 785]

2 minutes ago, Kamkisky said:

I’m unclear how many times I’ll need to write this is a strawman. 
 

 

You have no clue what a strawman is...  or gaslighting..

Look, you are wrong, you fail to understand the evidence and layer assumptions upon assumptions...

Your theory fails based on the evidence....  if you want to maintain it go right ahead.. I am not interested in sharing your delusions... 

Bottom line is,, Cooper's LZ was Ad Hoc...  and that means that he had another plan when he boarded the plane..

[Kamkisky 30]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

Bottom line is,, Cooper's LZ was Ad Hoc...  and that means that he had another plan when he boarded the plane..

Let’s assume he wanted to go to Mexico as you claim. 

What was his jump plan? 

Edited September 28 by Kamkisky

[FLYJACK 785]

47 minutes ago, Kamkisky said:

Let’s assume he wanted to go to Mexico as you claim. 

What was his jump plan? 

I am not claiming it as fact,, it is my theory based on fitting within the evidence. 

It is irrelevant to yours though...   his LZ was Ad Hoc based on the evidence,, that indicates he had another plan initially,,, that plan is speculation at this point.. My theory fits within the evidence but there may be other theories or a variation.. nobody has come up with another one.. 

[georger 271]

For those who dont speak 'latin',   "Ad hoc" is a Latin term meaning "for this purpose only, describing something created out of immediate necessity that may not have been part of a larger original plan.  Common examples would include an ad hoc committee formed to address a temporary emergency, an ad hoc solution to a particular problem like a broken window, and the like.

One issue is whether something is actually ad hoc or not. Until you talk to the original source it can only be speculation

Edited September 29 by georger

[georger 271]

NEW - Florence Schaffner was followed after the flight by a man who claimed that the hijacker was working with the CIA … https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-florence-schaffner-now/

[Kamkisky 30]

30 minutes ago, georger said:

NEW - Florence Schaffner was followed after the flight by a man who claimed that the hijacker was working with the CIA … https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-florence-schaffner-now/

 

Ryan has discussed this before. Skip Hall was only in prison in Cuba before Cooper as far as I can tell. So this dude would have to have been in a Cuba prison and why would someone go through all that trouble to say this to her if it was true? What’s the value add here? And why Flo instead of Tina? 
 

This is part of why the crew hasn’t been as active as possible, to many weirdos came at them. 

Edited September 29 by Kamkisky

[olemisscub 582]

9 hours ago, georger said:

NEW - Florence Schaffner was followed after the flight by a man who claimed that the hijacker was working with the CIA … https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-florence-schaffner-now/

 

Everything in that article comes from Skyjack 

[olemisscub 582]

9 hours ago, georger said:

NEW - Florence Schaffner was followed after the flight by a man who claimed that the hijacker was working with the CIA … https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-florence-schaffner-now/

 

Everything in that article comes from Skyjack 

[georger 271]

3 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Everything in that article comes from Skyjack 

Unreal! That I did not know. Good grief...............................

[FLYJACK 785]

8 hours ago, georger said:

Unreal! That I did not know. Good grief...............................

No surprise there....

[FLYJACK 785]

The tan Pioneer P2 left behind is a civilian container,,, with a non-original military 26' canopy..

[olemisscub 582]

13 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

The tan Pioneer P2 left behind is a civilian container,,, with a non-original military 26' canopy..

Some of my videos are made speaking in very general terms for a general audience. That video was one of them. The detail that you're getting into is far too deep in the weeds to spend any time on in such a generalized video. Both containers were created originally for military use, not for civilian skydiving. I was trying to dispel the notion that Cooper had some major choice between two totally different types of backpacks, nothing more. Only dorks like you and I care about the weeds. No need to bring that into a 7 minute video, you know?

[FLYJACK 785]

9 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Some of my videos are made speaking in very general terms for a general audience. That video was one of them. The detail that you're getting into is far too deep in the weeds to spend any time on in such a generalized video. Both containers were created originally for military use, not for civilian skydiving. I was trying to dispel the notion that Cooper had some major choice between two totally different types of backpacks, nothing more. Only dorks like you and I care about the weeds. No need to bring that into a 7 minute video, you know?

Not true,, the P2 was a civilian container for pilots not skydiving, but I agree not a big deal... just being accurate.

[Kamkisky 30]

He had two similar -but not exact- back chutes and he chose one. What does this tell us? It tells us he didn’t choose none or both. That’s about it.  The rest is 50/50. 

[FLYJACK 785]

13 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

He had two similar -but not exact- back chutes and he chose one. What does this tell us? It tells us he didn’t choose none or both. That’s about it.  The rest is 50/50. 

The myth was that Cooper chose the wrong chute implying he was not experienced...

but I am 95% certain the one he chose was not actually an NB6...  the tan Pioneer P2 he left behind was an early 1940's civilian container,, Hayden said his chutes were similar,, that is not similar to an NB6,, Hayden also said it was olive drab with tan cotton harness,,, this is interesting because the P2 left by Cooper had a Sage Green harness.. NB6's were Sage Green and a decade newer.. Cossey said Sage Green with Sage Green nylon harness.

So, the description of Cooper's chute between Cossey and Hayden are extremely inconsistent..  Also NB6's are 26 ft,, the packing card said 24 ft... extremely unlikely a smaller chute is put in an NB6.. Hayden wanted cheap rigs to meet regulations and never intended to use them,, an old P2 is just that, an NB6 is not.. 

Cossey initially believed his back chutes from Issaquah were used, had no idea Hayden's were until days later.. Cossey initially described his back chutes he thought were used... Cossey never corrected his error and hid it by never giving his packing records to the FBI.. but claiming he did.

So, the chutes were similar, the P2 was a civilian pilot bailout rig, the other an olive drab military version of similar vintage.. the military ones were basically the same but had different model numbers and colour..

The one Cooper took had a 1960 canopy, the other a 1957,,, He looked at the packing cards.. maybe he just chose the newest canopy..

[monk71 6]

Dan Cooper's Alter Ego?

Jerry Alter and his wife Rita were a music teacher and speech therapist who died leaving a stolen painting in their bedroom worth more than a hundred million dollars. Additionally, they had regularly traveled to over 100 countries and left over $1,000,000 in the bank by 2017.

The heist was from the University of Arizona Museum of Art of a piece titled Woman-Ochre by Willem de Kooning. It was stolen by a couple on the morning after Thanksgiving Day, 1985. (At least two other paintings in the Alter's possession have also been recently identified as stolen - from Harwood museum.)

Jerry retired early from teaching at age 47/48 in 1977 and they presumably lived off Rita's income until her retirement. Most people now question how they could have lived such an affluent lifestyle.

[FLYJACK 785]

6 hours ago, monk71 said:

Dan Cooper's Alter Ego?

Jerry Alter and his wife Rita were a music teacher and speech therapist who died leaving a stolen painting in their bedroom worth more than a hundred million dollars. Additionally, they had regularly traveled to over 100 countries and left over $1,000,000 in the bank by 2017.

The heist was from the University of Arizona Museum of Art of a piece titled Woman-Ochre by Willem de Kooning. It was stolen by a couple on the morning after Thanksgiving Day, 1985. (At least two other paintings in the Alter's possession have also been recently identified as stolen - from Harwood museum.)

Jerry retired early from teaching at age 47/48 in 1977 and they presumably lived off Rita's income until her retirement. Most people now question how they could have lived such an affluent lifestyle.

Ok, here is some fast snd dirty detective work...

Jerry Alter parts his hair on the right.. all online images I found of him.. on the right.

That first head shot image posted of his hair parted on the left is reversed.. 

I found the full image on find a grave which is also reversed...  the shirt is buttoned on the wrong side.. Men's shirt buttons are on the right not the left.. image reversed.

So, he parts his hair on the right..  not Cooper.

image reversed.

Edited Sunday at 02:05 PM by FLYJACK

[olemisscub 582]

I noticed that Charlie Farrell's descriptions in his report that was in Vault 110 had some differences in the descriptions that aren't in the 302's. I highlighted some of the the things that aren't in their 302 descriptions. Most notably, he has Tina's shoe description as "in a tie-type shoe". Original 302 says "non tie type shoe". I'm thinking that "in a tie type shoe" must be a typo or something because why would that have even been noted? A shoe is just a regular shoe unless otherwise noted. So, it makes sense that her 302 would say "non tie-type shoe". But it's still interesting. It would be great if we eventually get to see the handwritten notes these 302's were derived from. I assume Farrell had access to the original notes when creating these descriptions, which must be wear some of this stuff comes from. 

 

Bill's has a great deal of things added from his 302. In particular are his description of Cooper's hair as having a wave in the front and also his description of the sideburns. It's interesting that Bill is literally the only eyewitness who gives Cooper a fair complexion. 

Farrell's Flo says eyes are "Brown or dark" instead of just "Brown". We also see an exact age in this description, whilst her 302 just says "Mid 40's"

 

And finally, Farrell has Alice going all the way up to 6'3. Her 302 just says 6'1.

 
 

[DWeber 6]

5 hours ago, olemisscub said:

I noticed that Charlie Farrell's descriptions in his report that was in Vault 110 had some differences in the descriptions that aren't in the 302's. I highlighted some of the the things that aren't in their 302 descriptions. Most notably, he has Tina's shoe description as "in a tie-type shoe". Original 302 says "non tie type shoe". I'm thinking that "in a tie type shoe" must be a typo or something because why would that have even been noted? A shoe is just a regular shoe unless otherwise noted. So, it makes sense that her 302 would say "non tie-type shoe". But it's still interesting. It would be great if we eventually get to see the handwritten notes these 302's were derived from. I assume Farrell had access to the original notes when creating these descriptions, which must be wear some of this stuff comes from. 

 

Bill's has a great deal of things added from his 302. In particular are his description of Cooper's hair as having a wave in the front and also his description of the sideburns. It's interesting that Bill is literally the only eyewitness who gives Cooper a fair complexion. 

Farrell's Flo says eyes are "Brown or dark" instead of just "Brown". We also see an exact age in this description, whilst her 302 just says "Mid 40's"

 

And finally, Farrell has Alice going all the way up to 6'3. Her 302 just says 6'1.

 
 

Is vault 110 the newest one? I lost track of what number we are on. 

[olemisscub 582]

1 hour ago, DWeber said:

Is vault 110 the newest one? I lost track of what number we are on. 

Ya. 111 should drop tomorrow probably.

[monk71 6]

Do you know what it means by "with wave in front, up over his forehead"?

Is this wave somehow referring to his shades or a marcelled hair wave?