DB Cooper

[dudeman17 376]

10 hours ago, georger said:

Parachuting back then was not precise.

 

Actually it could be. They had landing accuracy contests that people would pinpoint. But that required controlling the precise exit point, which Cooper clearly did not do.

Cooper certainly could not have been targeting a specific field where he might find a waiting accomplice or car. But targeting better terrain than worse was feasible and would go a long way to hope for an uninjured landing.

[georger 271]

5 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

 

Actually it could be. They had landing accuracy contests that people would pinpoint. But that required controlling the precise exit point, which Cooper clearly did not do.

Cooper certainly could not have been targeting a specific field where he might find a waiting accomplice or car. But targeting better terrain than worse was feasible and would go a long way to hope for an uninjured landing.

understood - agree.

[georger 271]

2 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

 

Actually it could be. They had landing accuracy contests that people would pinpoint. But that required controlling the precise exit point, which Cooper clearly did not do.

Cooper certainly could not have been targeting a specific field where he might find a waiting accomplice or car. But targeting better terrain than worse was feasible and would go a long way to hope for an uninjured landing.

understood - agree.  (server went down and duplicated my post)

Edited September 20 by georger

[FLYJACK 785]

10 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

 

 

Are all of these paths established, numbered air routes that any normal, non-hijacked flight to Reno might have been assigned to? Or was 23 the standard, expected route?

If the former, then I can better see your point. If the latter, then Cooper might have known this with a modicum of research?

I'm not saying that I believe Kam's theory is true. I just don't think that it's as far-fetched as you make it out to be. But you cry wolf a lot, in that you think any theory that doesn't agree with yours is ludicrous, insane, just plain stupid...

Yes you did agree with his theory, you even claimed south was a path...  One of the dumbest things I have heard on this forum... It isn't crying wolf because his silly idea doesn't agree with my theory that is your ignorance.. his theory is flooded with made up assumptions and rejected by the evidence.  some paths are designated airways but they didn't have to take a designated airway,,, even V23 was 10 miles wide... 

Taking V23 going over populated areas with a bomb on board wasn't the best idea, they seriously consider a coastal route to Reno which has a designated airway.. 

and to go to those large California cities Cooper rejected they did not even have to take the coast.. Kamkisky has so many layers of speculation/assumptions that the theory is useless.. and it doesn't fit the evidence.

Kamkisky argues (falsely) V23 was the only route South to Reno they could have taken and Cooper (falsely) knew they had to take it.. therefore he jumped where he had planned the entire time using the lights of Battle Ground. It is all made up and doesn't fit the evidence or any reasonable inferences..

Then he claims a false equivalency, attacking my theory, since I can't prove my theory then his is true or legitimate...  This is an abuse of basic logic..  and people use this flawed thinking often in this case..  

It is become very apparent that many do not understand basic logic... you need it to process theories and evidence..

 

Edited September 20 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 785]

10 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

 

Actually it could be. They had landing accuracy contests that people would pinpoint. But that required controlling the precise exit point, which Cooper clearly did not do.

Cooper certainly could not have been targeting a specific field where he might find a waiting accomplice or car. But targeting better terrain than worse was feasible and would go a long way to hope for an uninjured landing.

It could be IF he had the right gear and could see the terrain and know where he was...

He had a non steerable bailout rig,, wind unknown at his jump spot and unlikely he could see the terrain,, possibly some lights.. He did not know the path the plane would take..

Cooper targeting terrain is very unlikely in those conditions.. only if he knew where he was and could read the ground. Both are unlikely.

A jump with a non-steerable bailout rig with potential 6mi drift could have up to a 113 sq mi landing area...  that is if he targeted a spot..

 

Edited September 20 by FLYJACK

[DWeber 6]

16 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Onalaska to be more precise…

What is his argument for this? He seems to have cooled on VP and now the drop zone at Tena Bar?

I guess he needs to keep pushing new theories/fantasies to draw attention to himself. 

[CooperNWO305 161]

18 hours ago, DWeber said:

What is his argument for this? He seems to have cooled on VP and now the drop zone at Tena Bar?

I guess he needs to keep pushing new theories/fantasies to draw attention to himself. 

Can someone summarize what is going on? Is there any change for the case or is this more case drama with Eric? I’m hearing ground search, ATC, some mea culpa. Thanks. 

[georger 271]

On 9/20/2025 at 12:17 AM, dudeman17 said:

 

Actually it could be. They had landing accuracy contests that people would pinpoint. But that required controlling the precise exit point, which Cooper clearly did not do.

Cooper certainly could not have been targeting a specific field where he might find a waiting accomplice or car. But targeting better terrain than worse was feasible and would go a long way to hope for an uninjured landing.

Questions:  how long before Cooper is going to know if he has a working chute? 30 seconds? Less? Longer?

How long before Cooper is going to know where he is at ?

Edited September 21 by georger

[olemisscub 582]

4 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Can someone summarize what is going on? Is there any change for the case or is this more case drama with Eric? I’m hearing ground search, ATC, some mea culpa. Thanks. 

This is very convoluted, but 

- A guy contacts him out of the blue saying that he was an FAA trainee ATC controller who, for some reason, was at McCord that night.

- This guy, who said he was doing ATC on 305 from Seattle to Toledo, says he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line and that with a grease pen he then circled where the plane was and it was near Chehalis.

- Eric talks to Cliff Ammerman who said that 305 what was turned over to him at Toledo (ostensibly making this new guy the ATC handler before it was turned over to Ammerman)

- Ammerman’s first actual communication with 305 was at 8:13 (this is in the ATC transcript)

- Since Cooper jumped before Ammerman picked up 305 (at 8:13), then Eric takes this as verifying this new guy’s story about Chealis since Chehalis isn’t far from Toledo.

- Eric goes on about how this disproves the timestamps on the FBI map. 

- I pointed out to Eric that we don’t have to rely on the timestamps from the FBI map, we can look at the numerous notes that were taken by several people who are monitoring 305’s location and writing down the times when these locations were reached. For example, I pointed out that at 8:18, we have three different people writing down that 305 was 23 miles south of PDX. I explained to Eric that if Cooper jumped at Chehalis at 8:12ish, then 305 would still be north of Longview at 8:18. 

- He then says he thought about it overnight and realized that just because Ammerman was handed 305 when they were approaching Toledo that this doesn’t mean that Toledo was when or where he first talked to them at 8:13 (duh).

it’s really twisted and convoluted to follow, but that’s the gist. I don’t know who this new guy is, but I don’t trust it because of him saying that he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line. I don’t see how or why anyone working ATC on 305 that night would’ve heard that line (if Rat even said it to begin with) because from 7:59 to 8:13, 305 was on the wrong ATC frequency. They were basically broadcasting to no one at ATC during that time (which is why they didn’t hook up with Ammerman until 8:13).

It’s just all nonsense

Edited September 21 by olemisscub

[georger 271]

23 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

This is very convoluted, but 

- A guy contacts him out of the blue saying that he was an FAA trainee ATC controller who, for some reason, was at McCord that night.

- This guy, who said he was doing ATC on 305 from Seattle to Toledo, says he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line and that with a grease pen he then circled where the plane was and it was near Chehalis.

- Eric talks to Cliff Ammerman who said that 305 what was turned over to him at Toledo (ostensibly making this new guy the ATC handler before it was turned over to Ammerman)

- Ammerman’s first actual communication with 305 was at 8:13 (this is in the ATC transcript)

- Since Cooper jumped before Ammerman picked up 305 (at 8:13), then Eric takes this as verifying this new guy’s story about Chealis since Chehalis isn’t far from Toledo.

- Eric goes on about how this disproves the timestamps on the FBI map. 

- I pointed out to Eric that we don’t have to rely on the timestamps from the FBI map, we can look at the numerous notes that were taken by several people who are monitoring 305’s location and writing down the times when these locations were reached. For example, I pointed out that at 8:18, we have three different people writing down that 305 was 23 miles south of PDX. I explained to Eric that if Cooper jumped at Chehalis at 8:12ish, then 305 would still be north of Longview at 8:18. 

- He then says he thought about it overnight and realized that just because Ammerman was handed 305 when they were approaching Toledo that this doesn’t mean that Toledo was when or where he first talked to them at 8:13 (duh).

it’s really twisted and convoluted to follow, but that’s the gist. I don’t know who this new guy is, but I don’t trust it because of him saying that he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line. I don’t see how or why anyone working ATC on 305 that night would’ve heard that line (if Rat even said it to begin with) because from 7:59 to 8:13, 305 was on the wrong ATC frequency. They were basically broadcasting to no one at ATC during that time (which is why they didn’t hook up with Ammerman until 8:13).

It’s just all nonsense

What is Amerman saying? Is he now saying he wasnt even involved with 305 until .... 8:13 ! after Cooper had bailed ?

[olemisscub 582]

1 hour ago, georger said:

What is Amerman saying? Is he now saying he wasnt even involved with 305 until .... 8:13 ! after Cooper had bailed ?

He was assigned 305 at Toledo. When 305 was handed off to him, 305 accidentally switched to the wrong frequency. So he spent 14 minutes trying to make contact with 305. 

All this business about the frequency is way out of my wheelhouse, so I could be wrong on that

Edited September 21 by olemisscub

[georger 271]

1 hour ago, olemisscub said:

He was assigned 305 at Toledo. When 305 was handed off to him, 305 accidentally switched to the wrong frequency. So he spent 14 minutes trying to make contact with 305. 

All this business about the frequency is way out of my wheelhouse, so I could be wrong on that

Woah!     ? ? ? .....

[Kamkisky 30]

On 9/20/2025 at 7:25 AM, FLYJACK said:

1)…some paths are designated airways but they didn't have to take a designated airway,,, even V23 was 10 miles wide... 

2) Kamkisky argues (falsely) V23 was the only route South to Reno they could have taken and Cooper (falsely) knew they had to take it.. therefore he jumped where he had planned the entire time using the lights of Battle Ground. It is all made up and doesn't fit the evidence or any reasonable inferences..

3) Then he claims a false equivalency, attacking my theory, since I can't prove my theory then his is true or legitimate...  This is an abuse of basic logic..  and people use this flawed thinking often in this case..  

 

1) I am still trying to figure out what your definition of a path is. I’ve learned some paths are airways. This leads to the question of what besides airways are paths? 

2) That’s a strawman. I don’t make that argument. I’m in SF and jumping the Central Valley I don’t give a **** what airway the plane takes. Maybe I know about every airway leaving SF and maybe I’ve never heard of an airway. It makes no difference. I just need the plane to go east. Cooper needed south. This isn’t a complex situation. 
 

3) I said the exact opposite. I said maybe your theory is right and I could be wrong. I just pointed out yours is more complicated. That’s a totally fair critique. It’s objectively true. Your theory has more parts than mine. This isn’t an argument or abuse of logic. 

Edited September 22 by Kamkisky

[Kamkisky 30]

4 hours ago, olemisscub said:

This is very convoluted, but 

- A guy contacts him out of the blue saying that he was an FAA trainee ATC controller who, for some reason, was at McCord that night.

- This guy, who said he was doing ATC on 305 from Seattle to Toledo, says he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line and that with a grease pen he then circled where the plane was and it was near Chehalis.

- Eric talks to Cliff Ammerman who said that 305 what was turned over to him at Toledo (ostensibly making this new guy the ATC handler before it was turned over to Ammerman)

- Ammerman’s first actual communication with 305 was at 8:13 (this is in the ATC transcript)

- Since Cooper jumped before Ammerman picked up 305 (at 8:13), then Eric takes this as verifying this new guy’s story about Chealis since Chehalis isn’t far from Toledo.

- Eric goes on about how this disproves the timestamps on the FBI map. 

- I pointed out to Eric that we don’t have to rely on the timestamps from the FBI map, we can look at the numerous notes that were taken by several people who are monitoring 305’s location and writing down the times when these locations were reached. For example, I pointed out that at 8:18, we have three different people writing down that 305 was 23 miles south of PDX. I explained to Eric that if Cooper jumped at Chehalis at 8:12ish, then 305 would still be north of Longview at 8:18. 

- He then says he thought about it overnight and realized that just because Ammerman was handed 305 when they were approaching Toledo that this doesn’t mean that Toledo was when or where he first talked to them at 8:13 (duh).

it’s really twisted and convoluted to follow, but that’s the gist. I don’t know who this new guy is, but I don’t trust it because of him saying that he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line. I don’t see how or why anyone working ATC on 305 that night would’ve heard that line (if Rat even said it to begin with) because from 7:59 to 8:13, 305 was on the wrong ATC frequency. They were basically broadcasting to no one at ATC during that time (which is why they didn’t hook up with Ammerman until 8:13).

It’s just all nonsense

The 8:18 evidence seems pretty damming to his new theory/witness. 

Do we know where Rat is from originally? The mark your shrimp boats line isn’t a thing in many/most places of the country.  

[FLYJACK 785]

14 minutes ago, Kamkisky said:

1) I am still trying to figure out what your definition of a path is. I’ve learned some paths are airways. This leads to the question of what besides airways are paths? 

2) That’s a strawman. I don’t make that argument. I’m in SF and jumping the Central Valley I don’t give a **** what airway the plane takes. Maybe I know about every airway leaving SF and maybe I’ve never heard of an airway. It makes no difference. I just need the plane to go east. Cooper needed south. This isn’t a complex situation. 
 

3) I said the exact opposite. I said maybe your theory is right and I could be wrong. I just pointed out yours is more complicated. That’s a totally fair critique. It’s objectively true. Your theory has more parts than mine. This isn’t an argument or abuse of logic. 

Seriously, you don't know what a path is.. A path is a specific course... could be an airway or not...   your entire argument is based on Cooper knowing the ONLY path the plane could take to Reno was V23 so he didn't have to ensure it...  completely false..

SOUTH IS NOT A PATH...  get that in your head..  There are many dozens or more paths to Reno... I don't want to hear that nonsense anymore.. 

To defend your argument you attack my theory.. That isn't how logic works.. my theory could even be false and yours still fails..

And your theory fails because it has two big flaws,, it requires layers of assumptions and doesn't fit the evidence.. No, your theory is not simpler.

 

STOP WASTING MY TIME WITH THIS NONSENSE. I am actually trying to solve this thing.. and I am very close....

[FLYJACK 785]

4 hours ago, olemisscub said:

This is very convoluted, but 

- A guy contacts him out of the blue saying that he was an FAA trainee ATC controller who, for some reason, was at McCord that night.

- This guy, who said he was doing ATC on 305 from Seattle to Toledo, says he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line and that with a grease pen he then circled where the plane was and it was near Chehalis.

Still makes no sense...

but I believe Rat when he claimed he said "mark your shrimp boat" or something similar..  not recorded anywhere of course.. He isn't known to lie and hasn't embellished elsewhere.. He said it or something close IMO...

but it doesn't matter.. Cooper jumped right around 8:11..  

It is super high bar to move that FP or times more than the  minuter error...

Edited September 22 by FLYJACK

[Kamkisky 30]

18 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

1) A path is a specific course.…

2) ..your entire argument is based on Cooper knowing the ONLY path the plane could take to Reno was V23 so he didn't have to ensure it...  completely false..

3) SOUTH IS NOT A PATH...  get that in your head..  

4) There are many dozens or more paths to Reno... I don't want to hear that nonsense anymore.. 

5) To defend your argument you attack my theory..

6) That isn't how logic works..

7) my theory could even be false and yours still fails..

8) And your theory fails because it has two big flaws,, it requires layers of assumptions and doesn't fit the evidence..

9) I am actually trying to solve this thing.. and I am very close....

1) Thanks. 

2) Repeat strawman. People can read my previous posts. And you also misuse the term path per your definition. 

3) Per your definition I agree, south would be a direction and not a path…which is how I’ve been using it this whole time. 

4) There would be countless paths to Reno by your definition. 

5) I pointed out your theory has a lot of moving parts and assumptions. If you take that as an attack, ok. I’d call it a critique. 

6) Critiquing others theories is exactly how logic works in application. Scientific method…

7) True

8) You haven’t proven that, or come close. Your post on distinctive lights actually works in the opposite. 

9) Great. When you present it we can evaluate it. If you’re right…I’ll happily give you the credit deserved. 

Edited September 22 by Kamkisky

[FLYJACK 785]

1 hour ago, Kamkisky said:

1) Thanks. 

2) Repeat strawman. People can read my previous posts. And you also misuse the term path per your definition. 

3) Per your definition I agree, south would be a direction and not a path…which is how I’ve been using it this whole time. 

4) There would be countless paths to Reno by your definition. 

5) I pointed out your theory has a lot of moving parts and assumptions. If you take that as an attack, ok. I’d call it a critique. 

6) Critiquing others theories is exactly how logic works in application. Scientific method…

7) True

8) You haven’t proven that, or come close. Your post on distinctive lights actually works in the opposite. 

9) Great. When you present it we can evaluate it. If you’re right…I’ll happily give you the credit deserved. 

I never misused "path" you did... 

Finally, South is a direction not a path.... amazing.

My theory has assumptions, that is self evident... it fits within the evidence and solves some issues yours does not. You presented no facts to dispute it.. and claimed yours was better,, it isn't.

You critique or challenge theories with facts not wild speculation.. like Cooper would have done X if Y..  nonsense.. 

It is provably false, you claimed Cooper knew that there was ONLY one path the plane could take so he didn't have to direct the plane to a path, it could only go to Portland, that is FALSE.. the foundation of your argument is false... the rest is layers of assumptions..  

 

Your process of analyzing these things is poor, you just make up too much stuff that is not reasonably likely or inferred by evidence...  with this approach you can support or reject anything... all theories are not created equal.

Tell somebody else,, I don't want to hear it anymore.. you didn't even understand what a path is because your argument relied on only one single possible path. 

I told you dozens of times South is not a path.... didn't matter.

 

Edited September 22 by FLYJACK

[Kamkisky 30]

36 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

 

It is provably false, you claimed Cooper knew that there was ONLY one path the plane could take so he didn't have to direct the plane to a path, it could only go to Portland, that is FALSE.. the foundation of your argument is false... the rest is layers of assumptions..  

 

Again, strawman.

My claim is Cooper wanted the plane to go south (FBI agrees). He wanted this because south would take him to the farmland north of Vancouver (geography as a discipline and maps in general agree). I believe he wanted to jump into that type of terrain vs other options (common sense and I bet skydivers agree). He could see distinctive lights (Pilots agree). I think he jumped the lights (Mac agrees). Cooper kept it simple and was successful (50+ years of freedom agrees). 

A to B over terrain he knows. It has a lot of advantages.

Path vs direction changes none of it. Let me make this as clear as I can…he wanted south from SeaTac it is the pilots/GC and you that struggle with this path business. Cooper had no such struggles. 

How long till you think you’ll have it solved? 
 

Edited September 22 by Kamkisky

[olemisscub 582]

34 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Still makes no sense...

but I believe Rat when he claimed he said "mark your shrimp boat" or something similar..  not recorded anywhere of course.. He isn't known to lie and hasn't embellished elsewhere.. He said it or something close IMO...

but it doesn't matter.. Cooper jumped right around 8:11..  

It is super high bar to move that FP or times more than the  minuter error...

Yes, he may have said something privately to his crewmates, but I doubt that he notified ATC or anyone else about it. This belief is based on a few reasons.

First, we have a full interview with Rat on Nov 30th where he said the crew had no indication Cooper was gone until landing in Reno. 

Second, nothing is written by the NWA note takers about the HJ possibly jumping. The pilots saying that they think the hijacker just jumped is something that they all 100% would have written down. So we can pretty much guarantee that Rat didn't say anything to NWA about their belief that the HJ just jumped. Would he have said something to ATC but NOT to his bosses about this? Nah. Lowenthal's 4:11 timestamp is circled but that must surely be something done after the fact since there is no discussion about it.

Third, the behavior of everyone AFTER the oscillations call. None of the crew nor NWA nor ATC are behaving in a way that is commiserate with a belief that the HJ had jumped. There isn't any language like "if he is still back there". There are no "ifs" and no discussion about going in the back to check or anything like that. If Rat had planted the seed that the oscillations were from Cooper jumping, then there certainly would have been some discussion about "if" he was still in the back. 

Fourth, if that seed was planted right after Cooper jumped, then law enforcement would have been notified in Clark and Cowlitz counties. The FBI would have been notified as well, yet we don't see that anywhere in the files. 

What it ultimately boils down to for me is that we don't see a single shred of evidence from anyone acting in real time from 8:11 to 11:02 that would make us think that they had any notion whatsoever that Cooper jumped at 8:11.

The copycat hijackings provide us with a view of what real time law enforcement action is like after pilots report a belief that the hijacker jumped. We don't have that with Cooper. 

I have no doubt that they likely discussed it amongst themselves, but he must have morphed what he said privately over time into notifying ATC. I don't know.  

[georger 271]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

I never misused "path" you did... 

Finally, South is a direction not a path.... amazing.

My theory has assumptions, that is self evident... it fits within the evidence and solves some issues yours does not. You presented no facts to dispute it.. and claimed yours was better,, it isn't.

You critique or challenge theories with facts not wild speculation.. like Cooper would have done X if Y..  nonsense.. 

It is provably false, you claimed Cooper knew that there was ONLY one path the plane could take so he didn't have to direct the plane to a path, it could only go to Portland, that is FALSE.. the foundation of your argument is false... the rest is layers of assumptions..  

 

Your process of analyzing these things is poor, you just make up too much stuff that is not reasonably likely or inferred by evidence...  with this approach you can support or reject anything... all theories are not created equal.

Tell somebody else,, I don't want to hear it anymore.. you didn't even understand what a path is because your argument relied on only one single possible path. 

I told you dozens of times South is not a path.... didn't matter.

 

It could be people are confused by what you mean by PATH. General word, direction, Airway, technical sense ... ?

Edited September 22 by georger

[georger 271]

45 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Yes, he may have said something privately to his crewmates, but I doubt that he notified ATC or anyone else about it. This belief is based on a few reasons.

First, we have a full interview with Rat on Nov 30th where he said the crew had no indication Cooper was gone until landing in Reno. 

Second, nothing is written by the NWA note takers about the HJ possibly jumping. The pilots saying that they think the hijacker just jumped is something that they all 100% would have written down. So we can pretty much guarantee that Rat didn't say anything to NWA about their belief that the HJ just jumped. Would he have said something to ATC but NOT to his bosses about this? Nah. Lowenthal's 4:11 timestamp is circled but that must surely be something done after the fact since there is no discussion about it.

Third, the behavior of everyone AFTER the oscillations call. None of the crew nor NWA nor ATC are behaving in a way that is commiserate with a belief that the HJ had jumped. There isn't any language like "if he is still back there". There are no "ifs" and no discussion about going in the back to check or anything like that. If Rat had planted the seed that the oscillations were from Cooper jumping, then there certainly would have been some discussion about "if" he was still in the back. 

Fourth, if that seed was planted right after Cooper jumped, then law enforcement would have been notified in Clark and Cowlitz counties. The FBI would have been notified as well, yet we don't see that anywhere in the files. 

What it ultimately boils down to for me is that we don't see a single shred of evidence from anyone acting in real time from 8:11 to 11:02 that would make us think that they had any notion whatsoever that Cooper jumped at 8:11.

The copycat hijackings provide us with a view of what real time law enforcement action is like after pilots report a belief that the hijacker jumped. We don't have that with Cooper. 

I have no doubt that they likely discussed it amongst themselves, but he must have morphed what he said privately over time into notifying ATC. I don't know.  

Are you including Soderlind in this 'uncertainty' ?  What is the basis for the NWA search map ?

Are you saying no one connected oscillations and the pressure events until after the plane had landed at Reno ? 

What accounts for the fact H was already in a helo headed north to search near Merwin-Longview before 305 had even landed at Reno ?

Edited September 22 by georger
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[lxchilton 10]

7 hours ago, georger said:

It could be people are confused by what you mean by PATH. General word, direction, Airway, technical sense ... ?

Any dictionary definition of 'path' is going to feature, as the second or third meaning, something along the lines of "the direction an object is traveling." 

It doesn't matter though because this isn't about debate or discussion, it's about noise and deflection. 

[FLYJACK 785]

10 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

Again, strawman.

My claim is Cooper wanted the plane to go south (FBI agrees). He wanted this because south would take him to the farmland north of Vancouver (geography as a discipline and maps in general agree). I believe he wanted to jump into that type of terrain vs other options (common sense and I bet skydivers agree). He could see distinctive lights (Pilots agree). I think he jumped the lights (Mac agrees). Cooper kept it simple and was successful (50+ years of freedom agrees). 

A to B over terrain he knows. It has a lot of advantages.

Path vs direction changes none of it. Let me make this as clear as I can…he wanted south from SeaTac it is the pilots/GC and you that struggle with this path business. Cooper had no such struggles. 

How long till you think you’ll have it solved? 
 

Nonsense..

You have the strawman....  still claiming South is a path.. lunacy.

You have no ideas if he knows the terrain or could even see it..

You claim to know what he wanted... you make it up.

and then claim I am struggling with a "path"... what a joke.

Your theory is a mess...

[FLYJACK 785]

10 hours ago, georger said:

It could be people are confused by what you mean by PATH. General word, direction, Airway, technical sense ... ?

G, it is very clear in this context that the path is the course for the plane,,, of which there are dozens and dozens possible to Reno...

Kamkisky's theory is that there was ONLY ONE path that the plane could take,,, and Cooper knew it so he didn't demand. indicate or confirm one.. THIS IS COMPLETE BS, there is NOT one path,,, in fact the one they took was the worst one because it went over populated areas..

There are other problems,,, Cooper knew the weather was bad and visibility poor, he had no expectation that he could see the terrain, lights or markers. So, he didn't know the path they would take and didn't know if he would be able to see the ground to determine his position. That indicates is LZ was Ad Hoc,,