FLYJACK 785 #66276 September 12 15 minutes ago, lxchilton said: Here's my incredibly detailed and precise example of why sitting is bad for judging height: The inverted triangles are, from top to bottom: head, torso, legs. Exaggerated of course! All of these triangle people are the same height but if the first sits down he's going to look shorter than the other two. Seems like Cooper might have been more like our small torso triangle man and if he was slumping over the whole time... So what... I said it is less reliable.. It doesn't prove Cooper's actual height in the context of all the evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66277 September 12 (edited) 43 minutes ago, lxchilton said: Ultimately, all I am saying (and I am not a part of some cabal of Cooper people) is that since there are so many unknowns in this case I am choosing to narrow down the likelihood of a suspect using a different set of criteria than you. I am not arguing the validity of yours to your own self, I am just a little put off by choosing so narrow a focus on what appears to me to be one of the areas least likely to achieve a positive result. It's...interesting to begin with and the fact that your two choices to back it up/argue for it are 1) being abrasive and 2) refusing to actually back anything up in an argument about how others are misusing facts is wild. And boring, in the end. How do you rationalize your assertion that people who are not privy to the hijacking are less reliable than those who are? When we get into unreliable witness testimony we are almost always talking about people who knew they were witness to a crime. After years of this,, I have no patience left for stupid arguments and the persistent disrespectful comments and especially people twisting my argument into something it isn't... and some are attacking me personally thinking that elevates their position.. they have done this for years because they don't have a rational argument. I am respectful to those who are respectful.. some aren't worthy. I have laid out the facts, you and others just ignore it in favour of your own opinion.. My argument is clear,, Cooper could be 5-9 or 5-11... based on the evidence. Yours is. under 5-10 is an outlier or dispositive... THAT is INSANE based on the evidence and a product of Ryan's influence. It is self evident that believing you are observing a hijacker would stick in your memory better than some random person in a crowd or served in a line of possibly hundreds..... and Tina, the only one who saw Cooper standing briefly in the dark knowing he was the hijacker had 5-10" as the lower bound... We don't know if she was still seated or face to face with him.. or how that went down.... a freaking 1/2" from 5-9.5",,, INSANE... Almost 10 witnesses had Hahneman at 5-11 or 6 feet standing and knowing he was a hijacker... So, this standing accuracy thing is complete BS... it is an assumption that fails in reality.. The FBI issued a memo to agents TO NOT ELIMINATE based on height to 5' 8".. So, once again my position matches the FBI but I am attacked... YES, all of you are wrong.. Stick to it... with that level of analysis you guys are going nowhere... fast Think for yourself.... don't follow these guys,, Edited September 12 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66278 September 12 and I just found a third very famous guitar... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 582 #66279 September 12 22 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: and I just found a third very famous guitar... then perhaps you should continue sticking with musical instruments 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66280 September 12 (edited) 22 minutes ago, olemisscub said: then perhaps you should continue sticking with musical instruments This is the juvenile passive aggressive BS that I have been subjected to... for sharing the same view as the FBI Ryan's personal animus for having his opinion questioned. Ryan attacks for me for not sharing my research, wonder why... Some of you aren't worthy.. Edited September 12 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lxchilton 10 #66281 September 12 39 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: and I just found a third very famous guitar... JOKE INCOMING We should all argue about what make/model the guitar is based on witness descriptions of the scale length! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66282 September 12 2 minutes ago, lxchilton said: JOKE INCOMING We should all argue about what make/model the guitar is based on witness descriptions of the scale length! Not funny,, but this is a really big one,,,, Nashville.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lxchilton 10 #66283 September 12 3 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: Not funny,, but this is a really big one,,,, Nashville.. Too soon?! Electric or acoustic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66284 September 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lxchilton said: Too soon?! Electric or acoustic? Acoustic from the 50's.. the two previous were electric.. I don't know how this one will will pan out, the player is dead... The other two were reunited with their previous owners.. Ryan chose to take a dig at me... If one of his elves had found three famous guitars he would be praising them.... Edited September 12 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lxchilton 10 #66285 September 12 2 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: Acoustic from the 50's.. the two previous were electric.. I don't know how this one will will pan out, the player is dead... The other two were reunited with their previous owners.. Here's hoping it's an SJ/J-200. I still think the scale length joke wasn't terrible. Good luck with the guitar! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66286 September 12 (edited) 14 minutes ago, lxchilton said: Here's hoping it's an SJ/J-200. I still think the scale length joke wasn't terrible. Good luck with the guitar! NO, Martin D18... I don't really discuss guitar stuff here because it is a Cooper forum but the second one is now public... I found Neil Young's first guitar from high school, an orange 6120 Gretsch he sold in 1965 to go acoustic... He regretted it and always wanted it back.. he replaced it in Buffalo Springfield with another orange Gretsch,,, Randy gave him my number and he called me, I gave him all the details and proof, he obtained it within hours,,, He is playing Mr Soul on it for his current tour.. FB Video.. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EGihHxWw9/ Edited September 12 by FLYJACK 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #66287 September 12 33 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: NO, Martin D18... I don't really discuss guitar stuff here because it is a Cooper forum but the second one is now public... I found Neil Young's first guitar from high school, an orange 6120 Gretsch he sold in 1965 to go acoustic... He regretted it and always wanted it back.. he replaced it in Buffalo Springfield with another orange Gretsch,,, Randy gave him my number and he called me, I gave him all the details and proof, he obtained it within hours,,, He is playing Mr Soul on it for his current tour.. FB Video.. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EGihHxWw9/ Pretty freakin COOL !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper Vortex 102 #66288 September 13 New episode out now! DB Cooper was a French Mercenary with my good friend Sophie Daniele. https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-french-mercenary-sophie-daniele/ Enjoy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monk71 6 #66289 September 13 3 hours ago, The Cooper Vortex said: New episode out now! DB Cooper was a French Mercenary with my good friend Sophie Daniele. https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-french-mercenary-sophie-daniele/ Enjoy! Also on YouTube: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monk71 6 #66290 September 14 On 4/18/2025 at 1:08 AM, monk71 said: I seem to remember Tina Mucklow describing the hijacker as sad or having sadness, as though she had pity for him to some degree. I have searched but can only find her describing the whole situation as sad and the case being closed as sad, but not him personally. I already know about these compiled statements: “He wasn't nervous. He seemed rather nice. He was never cruel or nasty. He was thoughtful and calm all the time." Also: polite, and well-spoken. I also know that she prayed for him. If anyone can find (maybe in the 302s) where she had pity on him described him as sad or something similar, I'd appreciate it. Maybe I am mis-remembering or maybe it was a myth I read. From April: I finally found it... mentioned in a new video. Cooper was a "very sad man." Unfortunately, this was a 2003 telephone conversation between Tina and Jo Weber, not any document. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YiekYN-xs The closest documentation I could find is August 10, 2011, post #24809 by Jo herself. I assume either Bill Rollins or Tim Collins may have repeated this phrase before, which would be where I originally heard about it. Although hearsay since Tina is now silent (unless Jo taped it), I still see the quote as a valid possibility that Tina really said that... and that Cooper was sad. I'm not sure how Jo thought it helped her angry husband Duane as a suspect. It would fit other suspects though, such as J Lakich, C Magee, B Dayton, J List. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 271 #66291 September 14 (edited) 5 hours ago, monk71 said: From April: I finally found it... mentioned in a new video. Cooper was a "very sad man." Unfortunately, this was a 2003 telephone conversation between Tina and Jo Weber, not any document. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YiekYN-xs The closest documentation I could find is August 10, 2011, post #24809 by Jo herself. I assume either Bill Rollins or Tim Collins may have repeated this phrase before, which would be where I originally heard about it. Although hearsay since Tina is now silent (unless Jo taped it), I still see the quote as a valid possibility that Tina really said that... and that Cooper was sad. I'm not sure how Jo thought it helped her angry husband Duane as a suspect. It would fit other suspects though, such as J Lakich, C Magee, B Dayton, J List. If you believe that Jo talked to Tina? This gets complicated. Jo was complicated - her network was complicated. We know Jo wanted Tina's phone number . . . . . Jo finally claimed to have Tina's phone number. Sluggo thought he knew what female attorney in Portland was feeding Jo people's phone numbers ... What does it get the case even if Tina said this ?. We know Cooper was sad from the moment he handed his note to a stew.... no backing out now! Who got Jo's phone number book? Does it matter? Edited September 14 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66292 September 14 Though I don't believe Merwin Dam has any relevance.. The streetlights are not the only lights,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 582 #66293 September 14 (edited) Perhaps more proof that Cooper never had a designated DZ: He passes Flo the note while they are still taxiing. They've not yet taken off. Flo could've panicked and screamed or otherwise caused a scene. Cooper had no way of knowing what her reaction would be. Or what if instead of taking off when they did, they got stuck on the runway waiting to takeoff after Cooper passed the note. Thus, it's possible that all of the action could've taken place in Portland. Cooper was taking that risk by not waiting until they were airborne. Of course, if everyone became aware of the hijacking while on the ground at PDX, Cooper still could've just demanded that they take off and fly to Seattle. But still... Edited September 14 by olemisscub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamkisky 30 #66294 September 14 (edited) 13 hours ago, monk71 said: From April: I finally found it... mentioned in a new video. Cooper was a "very sad man." Unfortunately, this was a 2003 telephone conversation between Tina and Jo Weber, not any document. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YiekYN-xs The closest documentation I could find is August 10, 2011, post #24809 by Jo herself. I assume either Bill Rollins or Tim Collins may have repeated this phrase before, which would be where I originally heard about it. Although hearsay since Tina is now silent (unless Jo taped it), I still see the quote as a valid possibility that Tina really said that... and that Cooper was sad. I'm not sure how Jo thought it helped her angry husband Duane as a suspect. It would fit other suspects though, such as J Lakich, C Magee, B Dayton, J List. I’m sure Bill is very sharp in his field of mechanical engineering. But this is another example of how people should stick to their subjects. I come from a social science background and if I were to attempt to do mechanical engineering it’d be a disaster. I’d embarrass myself. Anyone with a engineering background could spot I was out of my depths immediately. Here we have a mechanical engineer trying to use a social science approach to the case, he is attempting to use Cooper’s actions and words to find him, and it is every bit the disaster as if I attempted mechanical engineering. He picks one of, or possibly the worst clue and builds his whole case around it. He attempts to find Cooper by looking for a middle aged guy with a grudge. Well guess what? Good luck. Every middle aged guy has a grudge. Every single one of them, and more than one grudge too. His attempt at applying logic outside his field falls spectacularly flat and of course produces a terrible suspect and bad rationales to try and make him fit. Edited September 14 by Kamkisky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 582 #66295 September 14 42 minutes ago, Kamkisky said: He attempts to find Cooper by looking for a middle aged guy with a grudge. Well guess what? Good luck. Every middle aged guy has a grudge. Every single one of them, and more than one grudge too. His attempt at applying logic outside his field falls spectacularly flat and of course produces a terrible suspect and bad rationales to try and make him fit. Well said. The grudge is highly, highly overstated by many people in this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66296 September 14 I believe this was written by Cooper and this is his grudge.... and don't ask me for proof,,, that is a secret. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 582 #66297 September 14 2 hours ago, FLYJACK said: I believe this was written by Cooper and this is his grudge.... and don't ask me for proof,,, that is a secret. Good grief. Now you believe that one of the stupid letters was real? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66298 September 14 (edited) 43 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Good grief. Now you believe that one of the stupid letters was real? "stupid letters" Is that official or something you just made up to dismiss it. I am about 95%.... YUP Prove me wrong.. Edited September 14 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monk71 6 #66299 September 14 16 hours ago, monk71 said: “He wasn't nervous. He seemed rather nice. He was never cruel or nasty. He was thoughtful and calm all the time." He was a very sad man. Also: polite, and well-spoken. I also know that she prayed for him. Note to self: add to profile comparison. https://www.vintagewings.ca/stories/wild-man Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monk71 6 #66300 September 14 Another point from Bill's video. He shows a document where J. Edgar Hoover himself asked for a review of West Coast bank robbery suspects. This was a bank robbery. Change my mind. How many Cooper suspects were bank robbers? The video starts by mentioning Ryan B and explains how the root cause of a problem is so important (FBI/Cooper stuff starts at 9:52). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
