DB Cooper

[Nicholas Broughton 78]

36 minutes ago, georger said:

is Chaucer recovering ?

Yes, thankfully insurance is covering everything and he’ll be moving into a brand new house in 8-10 months time.

Edited Thursday at 07:52 PM by Nicholas Broughton

[dudeman17 350]

Interesting side note...

 

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Ray Ban Baloramas

 

Cant Eastwood wore Baloramas in Dirty Harry. Cooper's hijacking was November '71. Dirty Harry came out in December of '71, but was filmed earlier, April - June of '71.

Coincidence? Hmmm...

[FLYJACK 772]

Of course it is better to have the passengers go out the back.. when you have a gun and control the doorway.

The crew could have run off the front during Cooper's hijacking with Cooper at the rear.

[Kamkisky 13]

1 hour ago, dudeman17 said:

Interesting side note...

 

 

Cant Eastwood wore Baloramas in Dirty Harry. Cooper's hijacking was November '71. Dirty Harry came out in December of '71, but was filmed earlier, April - June of '71.

Coincidence? Hmmm...

Client Eastwood is Cooper:). 
 

Shut It Down.
 

Case solved. 

[FLYJACK 772]

Ryan,

What study is this..  it is not consistent with most others..

Need to see the methods..

[FLYJACK 772]

Is this Skip's Towncraft Snapper?  or this that another pic because this tie is too short to be Cooper's tie. 

[dudeman17 350]

2 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

Client Eastwood is Cooper:). 

I was thinking more like Cooper's grudge was that he was up for the part of the bad guy but lost out. "I'll show them", he thought, and as was the character's wont of taunting the cops, he purloined the detective's shades.

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3 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

Cant Eastwood

 

2 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

Client Eastwood

Autocorrect is persistent but not consistent.

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 04:55 AM by dudeman17

[Kamkisky 13]

3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Is this Skip's Towncraft Snapper?  or this that another pic because this tie is too short to be Cooper's tie. 

Does it even make it to his belly button? 

Sorry Hall fans but…dumbo in this photo. 

[FLYJACK 772]

WAY too short..

[FLYJACK 772]

10 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Ryan,

What study is this..  it is not consistent with most others..

Need to see the methods..

Ryan's height analysis/opinion is highly flawed...

His probability distribution is wrong.

I would like to have the source for this study... these witness reliability studies vary greatly based on the methods.. the subjects in these studies are exposed to the same event, they were not for Cooper.

The Cooper witnesses unlike these studies were not exposed to the same event/experience and have different confidence levels..

Two saw Cooper at the terminal not aware he was to become a hijacker,, they both said they wouldn't be able to ID him,, Virtually no confidence.

Alice did not see Cooper standing. Some confidence.

Three male passengers knew Cooper was suspicious but only saw him seated. Males are better at sizing up other males than woman are. Some confidence.

Flo only saw Cooper standing when he boarded,, he was not a hijacker at that time. She saw him seated but the FBI thought she was too emotional to be reliable.. Some confidence.

Tina saw Cooper seated and standing. She said he was seated the entire time except for the brief time when he went to the lav.. She also saw him standing when she went to the cockpit but the lights in the rear were out. Confidence medium.

Ryan gave all these witness who saw Cooper standing the same confidence level and ignored those three that saw him seated.

The FBI's initial description had Cooper from 5-9.. they updated to from 5-10 based on Tina seeing him standing. This wasn't the criteria used by the FBI for vetting suspects, they used 5-8 as the lower bound.

Since almost everyone self reports their height without shoes,, an inch needs to added to account for shoes.. The reported height is an inch less than observed with shoes.

So, Tina's 5-10-6' should have the highest confidence level however it suffers from sample size error. One person. One person is not reliable. Tina's observed is actually 5-9 to 5-11 reported height. Ryan claims to understand this but doesn't actually.

So, Ryan has a sample size error, confidence error and probability distribution error.

For example, in a normal distribution the Cooper data assuming all inputs have the same confidence (they don't) indicate 5-10.5 at the peak (5-9.5 reported), tailing off to the sides.. or probability drops either side,, Ryan's distribution peaks at 6 and drops to zero at 5-10.. this isn't valid even if all inputs have the same confidence level and they don't.

Since the Cooper height inputs have a wide variation in confidence the probability distribution confidence is low.

Ryan is effectively relying on low confidence data and comparing it to a study where all participants have the same experience.

The fact is the FBI used 5-8 as the lower bound for valid reasons. I am not claiming Cooper must be under 5-10, based on the witnesses he could be from 5-8 (reported) to 6 foot...

There is no evidence or valid argument to claim Cooper could not be under 5-10 reported height.

 

Since the witnesses did not have the same experience they have different confidence levels, that needs to be accounted for,, however Tina having the highest confidence level exhibits sample size error.. one person.

 

 

Edited Friday at 01:06 PM by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 772]

Cooper had normal forehead lies,, Skip has severe forehead lines..

Ryan keeps minimizing this by claiming Skip had normal forehead lines..

NO, these are not normal forehead lines, not Cooper,  and Skip had many large bumps on his face.

NOT NORMAL. VERY UNIQUE..

Edited Friday at 01:13 PM by FLYJACK

[olemisscub 547]

36 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Cooper had normal forehead lies,, Skip has severe forehead lines..

Ryan keeps minimizing this by claiming Skip had normal forehead lines..

NO, these are not normal forehead lines, not Cooper,  and Skip had many large bumps on his face.

NOT NORMAL. VERY UNIQUE..

You realize his eyebrows are raised in both photos?

You may even be correct that his are extreme, but it’s amusing to me that you’ll apply such critical analysis of another suspect but not to your own suspect, who from my perspective is almost as bad of a match to the Cooper descriptions as Reca. Literally the only thing H has that matches the Cooper description is his skin tone and perhaps some aspects of his hair. 

[FLYJACK 772]

51 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

You realize his eyebrows are raised in both photos?

You may even be correct that his are extreme, but it’s amusing to me that you’ll apply such critical analysis of another suspect but not to your own suspect, who from my perspective is almost as bad of a match to the Cooper descriptions as Reca. Literally the only thing H has that matches the Cooper description is his skin tone and perhaps some aspects of his hair. 

I MIGHT be correct,,, it is beyond obvious and it is clear in most images of him and that video of him. Clear severe forehead lines and many significant bumps,, probably why he wore a "beard" to hide them..

So, why then do you keep minimizing the OBVIOUS extreme wrinkles and bumps on Skip's face. You just lose credibility. I'd understand you don't want to offend Limbach because he is your friend but be realistic.

For Hahneman, you are just wrong.. he is a good match for the description just not in your opinion. You keep using one poor newspaper image of him or the sketch, I have many images, some you don't have and he could pass for three completely different people depending on the pic used.. Some witnesses for his hijacking were shown his pic and said definitely not him..  His hairstyle changes and his weight fluctuated making his face change substantially.. He has a generic unmemorable look.. He looks very close to Murphy and one pic I have he looks like that Canadian guy you posted "Willows" in another.. I also have that undisclosed witness image of Cooper that matches him 95%..  So, your opinion is just wrong. It is an assumption based on limited information. 

You said he was the worst match on the planet... No, he isn't.

So, go ahead and tell the world he looks nothing like Murphy who the witnesses really really liked.

 

Go ahead tell the world these guys don't look similar.. Spreckel hairline down per witness.

Edited Friday at 02:44 PM by FLYJACK

[olemisscub 547]

7 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

 

You said he was the worst match on the planet... No, he isn't.

 

I was being hyperbolic. We've had some horrifyingly bad ones. 

And yes I see what you see with Murphy and Bill. I won't deny that. 

[monk71 3]

On 7/9/2025 at 5:19 PM, olemisscub said:

Only photo I could find of the guy 

 

Sorry, I must have missed something. Who is this photo of? Willows? Is he a suspect?

[monk71 3]

Former FBI agent Larry Carr once stated something like how he could eliminate a suspect just by looking at him. Was he referring to the turkey neck feature described by eyewitness Bill Mitchell, or something else?

[olemisscub 547]

18 minutes ago, monk71 said:

Former FBI agent Larry Carr once stated something like how he could eliminate a suspect just by looking at him. Was he referring to the turkey neck feature described by eyewitness Bill Mitchell, or something else?

I can’t recall him saying anything like that. he did say in the 2016 documentary that he had something in his pocket that he could use to snuff out the real Cooper. It was a while back when I asked him about that privately and if I’m not mistaken it was essentially going to be “tell me about the drink you had on the plane.” Basically nobody (at least before the FBI files and Skyjack) other than Cooper and Bill would know that Cooper spilled his drink. 

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[olemisscub 547]

4 hours ago, monk71 said:

Sorry, I must have missed something. Who is this photo of? Willows? Is he a suspect?

Just a random suspect who was eliminated. There are literally 1000 of these guys in the files haha. 

but even eliminated suspects can sometimes give us insights into Cooper’s possible appearance due to what the witnesses have to say about photographs of the suspects and what parts of the suspect’s face remind them of Cooper.

Edited Saturday at 04:49 AM by olemisscub

[FLYJACK 772]

A problem with Tina's claim..

Tina claimed she saw Cooper standing in the rear when she went to the front.

She said the lights were out in the rear,, it was dark out then as well.

Tina also said she never saw Cooper's eyes he wore sunglasses the entire time..

So, how does Cooper see in the dark with sunglasses on...

 

Tina...

 

[olemisscub 547]

3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

A problem with Tina's claim..

Tina claimed she saw Cooper standing in the rear when she went to the front.

She said the lights were out in the rear,, it was dark out then as well.

Tina also said she never saw Cooper's eyes he wore sunglasses the entire time..

So, how does Cooper see in the dark with sunglasses on...

 

Tina...

 

I actually have the answer to this question about the light straight from the source but it’s in my book, so I’ll have to be guilty of doing the old “Flyjack Special” on this one haha

[Nicholas Broughton 78]

37 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I actually have the answer to this question about the light straight from the source but it’s in my book, so I’ll have to be guilty of doing the old “Flyjack Special” on this one haha

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander hehe. 

[FLYJACK 772]

16 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said:

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander hehe. 

I have no problem with that, everybody has stuff they want to keep..

The difference is YOU GUYS call me a liar, afraid and try to smear me when I don't share everything..

A double standard.

Nicky has effectively admitted his own hypocrisy...

 

[FLYJACK 772]

Prescription lenses for sunglasses....

 

Edited Saturday at 08:20 PM by FLYJACK

[Kamkisky 13]

The issue is this line of inquiry is it cannot be dispositive. It’s like the quarter Mexican comment…it’s just one person. It could be right or it could be BS. How can it be used to solve the crime? We can discount suspects with good vision or no Mexican ancestry. 

[olemisscub 547]

3 minutes ago, Kamkisky said:

The issue is this line of inquiry is it cannot be dispositive. It’s like the quarter Mexican comment…it’s just one person. It could be right or it could be BS. How can it be used to solve the crime? We can discount suspects with good vision or no Mexican ancestry. 

It’s actually two.

Flo said Cooper  “appeared to be of Latin descent” just after getting off the plane to the FBI. She’s the only individual who locked eyes with Cooper. Not sure it makes a difference but Flo is mixed race herself.

Gregory is the one who said 1/4 Mexican or 1/4 Native American. 

Their statements, combined with the fact that 9 of the 10 witnesses used the terms “dark” “swarthy” or “olive”, leads me to think a good Cooper suspect more likely than not needs to have some sort of obviously dark complexion that could make our best eyewitness (imo) say that he looked Latin while the plane was still out on the runway at SeaTac (very fresh memory)