DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 770]

1 hour ago, Kamkisky said:

Just my take. New eyes are sometimes helpful. A guy parajacking a jet, who has got rid of the passengers, put on the chute and strapped the money bag to himself, and is focused on getting the aft stairs lowered, likely cares if the plane is flying over water. Seems straightforward to me.

Parachuting over water seems like a bad idea, just my newbie perspective. 

As for he did nothing to stop them from flying out over the ocean…he did. He told them where to go, every option he gave/agreed to was south, the ocean is west. My theory is he planned to jump (thus the chute being on) and he planned to do so south of Seattle (not west or north or east). 
 

I’m not dismissive of the idea of Mexico. Hell…he said fly to Mexico. But, there is a difference between Cooper wanting to go to Mexico and Cooper wanting the plane to go to Mexico and the authorities to search all the way down to Mexico. I don’t think skyjackers are always sharing the full story or telling the full truth. It’s part of the occupation.

No, he didn't stop them from flying over the ocean.. the ocean is also south..  he had no input on the path to Mexico then Reno..  The crew discussed going out over the ocean.. they could have gone out over the ocean to Mexico or to Reno..

I really don't understand this mental block by several people that Cooper had input into the path of the plane,, he did not. He had zero foreknowledge of the location of the plane when he jumped.

 

[dudeman17 349]

11 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

I struggle with the concept of a guy literally wearing a parachute and money bag not caring about flying over ocean. I think he would have cared.  

 

2 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

Parachuting over water seems like a bad idea, just my newbie perspective. 

 

Your instincts are correct. An unplanned ocean landing at night, you could pretty much write yourself off. Any unintended water landing is a serious threat, jumpers are trained how to best deal with it. Intentional water jumps are made, but generally into calm lakes in broad daylight with crews in boats ready to pounce and assist immediately after landing.

[olemisscub 545]

25 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

He had zero foreknowledge of the location of the plane when he jumped.

 

At most he could have had an approximate location of the plane when he jumped depending on what he could see on the ground, if anything. As I've said numerous times, the most I'll give him is that he knew he was in Clark or Cowlitz county when he jumped. He could have estimated by the passage of time roughly where they were as long as he knew they were flying south, which is something he could have gauged by looking out the window after they got airborne (given that he knew the Seattle area from the air). 

Regardless, he left too much up to chance to be totally sure where he was jumping. V27 was a viable option for the pilots to take, especially given the situation, as it put them away from population centers. Yet we're stuck as a community with this nonsense that Cooper created "conditions" by which he could have had an exact DZ. 

[FLYJACK 770]

18 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Much more indeed. It's mainly based on you trying to shoehorn Hahneman into Cooper. 

And Hahneman didn't need to refuel in the US. They could have easily made any number of Caribbean countries for refueling. So why is he so scared about the FBI waiting for him in Reno that it forces him to jump into unknown territory in Nov 71 but then he's totally cool with refueling in the US in May 72?  

So, yes he did have to refuel and yes you were wrong again you claimed he could have easily made Honduras..... DO you ever get tired being wrong... no you move the goalpost.. I don't know about the possibility of fuelling a 727 at any Caribbean airports in 1972 but they needed to refuel and he chose New Orleans, he had lived there, his father died and is buried there... he is familiar with it. And it doesn't prove anything. Perhaps it was because he had a gun he felt safer landing.. Cooper had a bomb, fake or real he would have died if they stormed the plane.. Clearly, the circumstances were not equal but you don't really care about that you just want to discredit me because I called out your nonsense.

Stick with your juvenile and unfounded claim that Cooper had an accomplice/transportation at PDX and it was a targeted LZ..  we know that is nonsense but you probably have an accomplice in mind so push that narrative. 

 

BTW,, I ran Hahneman through your matrix and he is number one... you scored some things incorrectly. You will ignore that as it makes you look biased.

Ryan’s matrix for Hahneman.. he gives him only 9 points.. Ryan obviously has some things wrong.

 

I count 15 points on Ryan’s matrix, 16 minus 1 for height.,,  should be 17 if you use the FBI height minimum not Ryan’s personal opinion. 

 

Either way Hahneman wins Ryan’s matrix… almost a perfect score. But he can't be Cooper.

 

Ryan's matrix..  

 

Hahneman's scoring on Ryan's matrix..

 

1 opportunity   1 point

 

2 height  -1  FBI disagrees with Ryan,,  should be a 1 FBI used 5-8 and said do not use to eliminate. What does Ryan know that FBI didn't.

 

3 Complexion 1 point

 

4 Age 1 point

 

5 Drinker 1 point

 

6 Parachute training/experience 1 point

 

7 Pilot 0 points

 

8 Aviation history 2 points 

 

9 727 knowledge 1 point  he flew on extensively, not sure if that counts or does it mean specific technical knowledge.

 

10 Criminal history 1 point committed serious crimes but wasn’t charged. No evidence Cooper had a criminal history. FBI believed he didn’t. Obviously later a convicted criminal.

 

11 Spent time in PNW 1 point

 

12 Know McChord 1 point must have in air force, Pacific region navigator.

 

13 Tie particles 1 point

 

14 Family 1 point

 

15 Dropzone incorrect (-3) 0

 

16 Eye witness photo (-3) 0

 

17 Eye witness see later (-1) 0

 

18 Demolition 1 point

 

19 Smoker 1 point

 

20 Neutral accent 1 point

[georger 268]

49 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

No, he didn't stop them from flying over the ocean.. the ocean is also south..  he had no input on the path to Mexico then Reno..  The crew discussed going out over the ocean.. they could have gone out over the ocean to Mexico or to Reno..

I really don't understand this mental block by several people that Cooper had input into the path of the plane,, he did not. He had zero foreknowledge of the location of the plane when he jumped.

 

He had zero foreknowledge of the location of the plane when he jumped.

Nonsense. The crew flying the plane knew where it is. Whenever and wherever the hijacker jumps he will fit into that dynamic. Cooper has played a role setting that condition. The plane is flying south on V23 carrying Cooper as cargo! All other considerations are superfluous except as to the times and locations of Cooper's actions! Cooper will soon be on the ground and one of his needs will be to find out where he is ... 

Edited June 8 by georger

[FLYJACK 770]

20 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

 

 

Your instincts are correct. An unplanned ocean landing at night, you could pretty much write yourself off. Any unintended water landing is a serious threat, jumpers are trained how to best deal with it. Intentional water jumps are made, but generally into calm lakes in broad daylight with crews in boats ready to pounce and assist immediately after landing.

Obviously, point is Cooper never indicated to not go over the coast/ocean for his Mexico or Reno demand..  and the crew considered it.

but he did reject large US airports for refuelling. The claim is he didn't want to be close to the coast,, which is contradicted by his lack of concern for 305 taking the coast.

Edited June 8 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 770]

1 minute ago, georger said:

He had zero foreknowledge of the location of the plane when he jumped.

Nonsense. The crew flying the plane knew where it is. Whenever and wherever the hijacker jumps he will fit into that dynamic. Cooper has played a role setting that condition. The plane is flying south on V23 carrying Cooper as cargo! All other considerations are superfluous!  

Nope...  

You are smarter than that, Georger. You know Cooper gave no input other than Mexico and Reno...  V23 was 10 miles wide, the plane could have been about 75 miles either side of where he jumped, from the mountains to just off the coast. This is Cooper beginner level stuff.

[georger 268]

12 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Nope...  

You are smarter than that, Georger. You know Cooper gave no input other than Mexico and Reno...  V23 was 10 miles wide, the plane could have been about 75 miles either side of where he jumped, from the mountains to just off the coast. This is Cooper beginner level stuff.

Cooper agreed on Reno. They are headed toward Reno by some route. Cooper can look below the plane and know he is not over the ocean!  Why complicate the obvious. Cooper did not complicate what the pilots were doing. He saw nothing to protest. He got ready and jumped. He never questioned where the plane was! Cooper has a bomb! He can ask for and get anything he wants ... Cooper is in full control. He is satisfied with what he is seeing/experiencing ... and they have yet to cross the Columbia!

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[dudeman17 349]

11 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Obviously, point is Cooper never indicated to not go over the coast/ocean for his Mexico or Reno demand..  and the crew considered it.

but he did reject large US airports for refuelling. The claim is he didn't want to be close to the coast,, which is contradicted by his lack of concern for 305 taking the coast.

 

You people are far better equipped to theorize about Cooper and his actions than I am. I was just speaking specifically to his point about jumping over the ocean being a bad idea.

However, to, oh what's that word...  uh... speculate ...   If Cooper has done his homework and is familiar with aviation, it is not unreasonable that he might know expected flight routes for various destinations. He may well have rejected San Francisco and Los Angeles and agreed to Reno not because of their size, but because of their proximity to the coast.

Just a thought...

[FLYJACK 770]

4 minutes ago, georger said:

Cooper agreed on Reno. They are headed toward Reno by some route. Cooper can look below the plane and know he is not over the ocean!  Why complicate the obvious. Cooper did not complicate what the pilots were doing. He saw nothing to protest. He got ready and jumped. He never questioned where the plane was! Cooper has a bomb! He can ask for and get anything he wants ... Cooper is in full control. He is satisfied with what he is seeing/experiencing ... 

Georger, what has got into you..

He was not in control of the flightpath...  you know that.

The plane could have been about 75 miles either side of where he jumped going to Reno..

He did not target his jump.. 

 

Ryan's PDX thing is nonsense.

[georger 268]

1 minute ago, dudeman17 said:

 

You people are far better equipped to theorize about Cooper and his actions than I am. I was just speaking specifically to his point about jumping over the ocean being a bad idea.

However, to, oh what's that word...  uh... speculate ...   If Cooper has done his homework and is familiar with aviation, it is not unreasonable that he might know expected flight routes for various destinations. He may well have rejected San Francisco and Los Angeles and agreed to Reno not because of their size, but because of their proximity to the coast.

Just a thought...

Precisely.

[georger 268]

2 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Georger, what has got into you..

He was not in control of the flightpath...  you know that.

The plane could have been about 75 miles either side of where he jumped going to Reno..

He did not target his jump.. 

 

Ryan's PDX thing is nonsense.

And you are speculating ... we/you do not know! Read Dudeman's post.

Edited June 8 by georger

[FLYJACK 770]

12 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

 

You people are far better equipped to theorize about Cooper and his actions than I am. I was just speaking specifically to his point about jumping over the ocean being a bad idea.

However, to, oh what's that word...  uh... speculate ...   If Cooper has done his homework and is familiar with aviation, it is not unreasonable that he might know expected flight routes for various destinations. He may well have rejected San Francisco and Los Angeles and agreed to Reno not because of their size, but because of their proximity to the coast.

Just a thought...

I was trying to put it back in the context of the original point... Cooper never indicated anything about going down the coast or not. The original claim was that a parachutist would reject going down the coast,, of course if they were jumping over water,, the point was he wasn't going to jump over water.

If Cooper was concerned with the coast he would have given instructions to avoid it...  he didn't. There are several designated airways the plane could have taken,, it could have not used those routes...

He said he the US airports were too big.. that makes more sense than anything.

Edited June 8 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 770]

13 minutes ago, georger said:

And you are speculating ... we/you do not know! Read Dudeman's post.

Speculating on what,, the evidence indicates Cooper had no input on the path other than Mexico then Reno... you know that. The crew discussed going out over the ocean they could have been anywhere along a 150 mile horizontal line when Cooper jumped. 

This is getting ridiculous...

 

You guys have lost it,, Cooper said the airports were too big, He was never concerned with the coast,, he did not give directions, the plane could have been anywhere along a 150 mile line,, trying deny all this and make up something else is regressive.

I think I am just wasting my time here.

Edited June 8 by FLYJACK

[dudeman17 349]

15 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Cooper never indicated anything about going down the coast or not. The original claim was that a parachutist would reject going down the coast

By rejecting SF and LA and choosing Reno, he may have been doing precisely that. Even if they started out over the ocean, they have to go considerably inland to get to Reno.

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On another note, how many more guitars before you're inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!

[FLYJACK 770]

16 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

By rejecting SF and LA and choosing Reno, he may have been doing precisely that. Even if they started out over the ocean, they have to go considerably inland to get to Reno.

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On another note, how many more guitars before you're inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!

No they don't,, SF is barely west of Red Bluff and Reno is East of LA.. the flight to Reno went to Red Bluff.. a flight to SF or LA can go through Red Bluff v23..

Again, the crew considered going out over the ocean from Seattle. Cooper never mentioned anything about the coast or any path.. if Cooper was concerned about the coast he would have said something about it.

We have the evidence but all you guys keep making up stuff and ignoring the facts..

 

If you claim what is possible you get nowhere, anything is possible... stick with what is probable based on the evidence. There is no way to advance this case if you don't do that.

 

 

[Kamkisky 12]

Cooper never said don’t fly to Canada. He never said don’t fly to Idaho. He never said a lot. 
 

What he did say was clear. Mexico. Which is south. Then he agreed to Reno, which is south. And he agreed to Yuma, south. There is a discernible pattern. Cooper wanted to go south. There’s not a shred of evidence he wanted any other direction. 
 

Now imagine they pick V27 and the plane takes off and heads west. Cooper does or says nothing? Imagine the plane heads north? Silent Cooper? Imagine it veers due east at takeoff…Cooper twiddles his thumbs? Come on…he couldn’t have been more clear. Go south. He repeated it. If the plane goes a different direction that’s the funny business he warned about. There is only one stated and agreed upon direction throughout the skyjack after reaching Seattle…south. 
 

Additionally, west is the worst option for Cooper or any parajacker. He’d be better off going north or east.  
 

I’m not getting where Fly is coming up with this 150 miles range for flying south. Flying south from Seattle you quickly encounter Mt Rainer…14k ft. Then Mt St Helens which at the time was 9,600 ft. If one wanted to go east and do some mountain dodging in triple cloud cover there’s also Mt Adam at 12k ft. Then just south of Portland is Mt Hood 11k ft. Flight 305 flying at 10k ft is wedged in on the east.
 

Mt St. Helens is less than 100 miles from the coast. Mt Rainer is about 100 miles to the coast. Portland is about 50 miles from the coast.The plane only has to go the agreed upon direction and Cooper is heading over/near Portland. He absolutely set parameters and those parameters worked. 

Cooper knew the direction and flight time. He knew the area from the air (Tacoma). He knew it on the ground (McChord). He could see I-5 as a guide. He could see the darkness until he sees the lights of BG. He could see the metro lights of Portland. He gets the stairs open in advance of BG. The oscillations start when the lights of BG appear. There’s no mystery here. It’s a simple plan that put him jumping into farmland and not the coast or mountains.  
 

And…Reno is West of LA. 

Edited June 9 by Kamkisky

[dudeman17 349]

7 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

No they don't,, SF is barely west of Red Bluff and Reno is East of LA.. the flight to Reno went to Red Bluff.. a flight to SF or LA can go through Red Bluff v23..

Again, the crew considered going out over the ocean from Seattle. Cooper never mentioned anything about the coast or any path.. if Cooper was concerned about the coast he would have said something about it.

We have the evidence but all you guys keep making up stuff and ignoring the facts..

 

If you claim what is possible you get nowhere, anything is possible... stick with what is probable based on the evidence. There is no way to advance this case if you don't do that.

 

 

 

The last thing I want is to be in an argument with you. I have nothing but respect for you, and consider you the most thorough of researchers. And you usually are objective, but sometimes you get a bit stubborn.

You say the original point is whether a parachutist would have a problem going over the coast or ocean. This parachutist absolutely would. We don't know whether Cooper was an experienced jumper or not, but as Kamkisky demonstrates, it doesn't take a lot of logic and reason to deduce that a night jump into the ocean would be death. And I wouldn't put it past a criminal to be less than forthright about his motives.

Which cities are farther east or west is irrelevant because the west coast is not a straight north/south line. The facts are that SF and LA are essentially right on the coast, whereas Reno is inland by the entire width of California.

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And my comment about the guitars is sincere. It's a fascinating subject, and I am impressed by your efforts. I googled it the other day, and while I didn't find anything recent enough, I was kind of surprised by the number of 'lost' guitars out there.

[Kamkisky 12]

For fun let’s take a look at the cousin of Battle Ground, directly west on the coast under V27. A place called Cape Falcon Lookout. 
 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ksi1xfjNhcGBQp3h8

(Google maps) 

Little different than the slightly undulating farm lands around the DZ. 
 

Cooper never picked anything on the coast. He is wearing a parachute. Jumping the coast at night is legit suicidal, I don’t need to be a skydiver to know that. There’s millions of ways to die, basically endless possibilities. It’s not guaranteed death, but it’s absolutely rolling dice on your life. Allowing a plane to fly V27 for a parajacker makes no sense. 

Edited June 9 by Kamkisky

[FLYJACK 770]

10 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

 

The last thing I want is to be in an argument with you. I have nothing but respect for you, and consider you the most thorough of researchers. And you usually are objective, but sometimes you get a bit stubborn.

You say the original point is whether a parachutist would have a problem going over the coast or ocean. This parachutist absolutely would. We don't know whether Cooper was an experienced jumper or not, but as Kamkisky demonstrates, it doesn't take a lot of logic and reason to deduce that a night jump into the ocean would be death. And I wouldn't put it past a criminal to be less than forthright about his motives.

Which cities are farther east or west is irrelevant because the west coast is not a straight north/south line. The facts are that SF and LA are essentially right on the coast, whereas Reno is inland by the entire width of California.

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And my comment about the guitars is sincere. It's a fascinating subject, and I am impressed by your efforts. I googled it the other day, and while I didn't find anything recent enough, I was kind of surprised by the number of 'lost' guitars out there.

No, this is just incorrect, a misunderstanding of the issue,, the original point is NOT whether a parachutist/hijacker would have a problem going out over the coast. Clearly they would, if they were jumping. This is not the actual debate.

The fact is Cooper was not concerned about 305 going down the coast to Mexico or Reno.. he gave no directions and the crew seriously considered going out over the ocean.. The fact that he didn't care indicates that he wasn't jumping until much later.

AND the speculation that Cooper rejected LA and SF because they were on the coast and not what he actually said.. "they were too big" does not make sense. He had no reason to lie, he could have just said don't go over the ocean... or give the route over land..

Reno is West of LA...

So, the idea that he rejected those Airports based on going down the coast has no merit. They didn't have to go down the coast to SF/LA and he never gave directions from Seattle when they could have gone down the coast for the Mexico or Reno flight.

The answer is exactly what he said,, "they were too big.." 

 

The guitar was just recovered days ago and has not been made public, I don't know how long it will take or if they will go public. This one is a really big one...  I don't want to front run them and go public.. but I have found 2 now and that is beyond amazing because almost all recovered are identified by the current owner. Both of my recoveries were cold searches through the internet based solely on the wood grain. Bachman's guitar took a year and a half before the media caught on and went nuts,, but it took 2 years to get it back due to Covid restrictions.. Bachman's took 2 weeks to find and two years to recover, this one took 3 years to find and 24 hours to recover..

Edited June 9 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 770]

9 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

For fun let’s take a look at the cousin of Battle Ground, directly west on the coast under V27. A place called Cape Falcon Lookout. 
 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ksi1xfjNhcGBQp3h8

(Google maps) 

Little different than the slightly undulating farm lands around the DZ. 
 

Cooper never picked anything on the coast. He is wearing a parachute. Jumping the coast at night is legit suicidal, I don’t need to be a skydiver to know that. There’s millions of ways to die, basically endless possibilities. It’s not guaranteed death, but it’s absolutely rolling dice on your life. Allowing a plane to fly V27 for a parajacker makes no sense. 

Cooper never picked,,, anything., the plane could have gone anywhere to Mexico/Reno, once you get that it all makes sense..

You are stuck believing he had input on the flightpath.. Mexico and Reno was his only input and the plane could have taken any route they wanted, they didn't even have to use an airway.. they could have gone over the ocean and seriously considered it.

The fact that Cooper never gave flightpath instructions when he could have tells you everything. There was no downside for Cooper to indicate a path. He didn't... My theory reconciles this and other things that no other theory has done. 

Cooper did not have foreknowledge of his location where he jumped,, it was ad hoc. He did not target an LZ, he did not target PDX,, he just decided to go before Reno. He was delayed having trouble with the airstairs then picked a spot and went. 

To claim he had input beyond Mexico/Reno is just not true.

This is Cooper 101... not even debatable.

Edited June 9 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 770]

11 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

Cooper never said don’t fly to Canada. He never said don’t fly to Idaho. He never said a lot. 
 

What he did say was clear. Mexico. Which is south. Then he agreed to Reno, which is south. And he agreed to Yuma, south. There is a discernible pattern. Cooper wanted to go south. There’s not a shred of evidence he wanted any other direction. 
 

Now imagine they pick V27 and the plane takes off and heads west. Cooper does or says nothing? Imagine the plane heads north? Silent Cooper? Imagine it veers due east at takeoff…Cooper twiddles his thumbs? Come on…he couldn’t have been more clear. Go south. He repeated it. If the plane goes a different direction that’s the funny business he warned about. There is only one stated and agreed upon direction throughout the skyjack after reaching Seattle…south. 
 

Additionally, west is the worst option for Cooper or any parajacker. He’d be better off going north or east.  
 

I’m not getting where Fly is coming up with this 150 miles range for flying south. Flying south from Seattle you quickly encounter Mt Rainer…14k ft. Then Mt St Helens which at the time was 9,600 ft. If one wanted to go east and do some mountain dodging in triple cloud cover there’s also Mt Adam at 12k ft. Then just south of Portland is Mt Hood 11k ft. Flight 305 flying at 10k ft is wedged in on the east.
 

Mt St. Helens is less than 100 miles from the coast. Mt Rainer is about 100 miles to the coast. Portland is about 50 miles from the coast.The plane only has to go the agreed upon direction and Cooper is heading over/near Portland. He absolutely set parameters and those parameters worked. 

Cooper knew the direction and flight time. He knew the area from the air (Tacoma). He knew it on the ground (McChord). He could see I-5 as a guide. He could see the darkness until he sees the lights of BG. He could see the metro lights of Portland. He gets the stairs open in advance of BG. The oscillations start when the lights of BG appear. There’s no mystery here. It’s a simple plan that put him jumping into farmland and not the coast or mountains.  
 

And…Reno is West of LA. 

You are wrong,,  to go south to Mexico or Reno you can go many ways.. included the coast.

Where Cooper jumped North of Portland the plane could have been 75 miles either side, mountains to ocean, that is roughly a 150 mile horizontal line they could have crossed. 

To claim by not giving instructions he didn't want to go the coast is an inversion of logic.

A jumper would not want to go the coast,, but because he never said anything that indicates he wasn't jumping over the coast.. get it. He initially wanted to jump beyond the US..

 

[FunnyStuff 8]

On 6/7/2025 at 12:59 PM, Robert99 said:

The FBI was preparing 302s a day or two after the hijacking that clearly, plainly, and correctly stated that 8:11 PST was the best estimate for Cooper's jump time.

This jump time puts him practically overhead of Tena Bar and is a perfect match for the flight path that the airliner was following.

The flight path was exhaustively analyzed on this site about 15 years ago and nothing has happened since that changes that analysis.

Of course, everything on this site, especially the speculations, get recycled about every two years.

Yes but this is one of the things the FBI probably got wrong.  They were relying on an abbreviated line in the transcripts (which actually refered to the oscilations in the cabin rate of climb indicator) to tether the pressure bump to.  The pressure bump most probably came there after but before 8:20 "we called you" line.

[FLYJACK 770]

28 minutes ago, FunnyStuff said:

Yes but this is one of the things the FBI probably got wrong.  They were relying on an abbreviated line in the transcripts (which actually refered to the oscilations in the cabin rate of climb indicator) to tether the pressure bump to.  The pressure bump most probably came there after but before 8:20 "we called you" line.

No they didn't get it wrong, this delay myth that has been created and pushed by prominent Cooper researchers for years... it is false and has no evidence to back it up.

In 1971/72 they had more data and access to the crew with two independent analyst getting the same spot. I did another analysis with different data and found it matched 8:11,,, they got it right.. previously I was open to Lewis R to BG, but no it was 8:11. This idea that there was several minutes delay and a BG jump because the FBI was so stupid they didn't understand the difference between an oscillation and a bump is pure nonsense. The bump was the last big extreme oscillation of a rapidly increasing series.

The oscillations increased rapidly and there was an abrupt bump at the end.. no meaningful delay, we are talking seconds not minutes.

Cooper jumped right about 8:11 and do NOT use Cunningham's altered map path times they are wrong.

Nobody has a legit argument evidence based to show Cooper jumped after about 8:11..

 

Edited June 9 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 770]

Interesting,,

So, Ryan was wrong as usual when he claimed Hahneman did not have to stop for fuel. He did and he chose New Orleans.

Then Ryan suggests in a bizarre abuse of logic that because he didn't refuel in the Caribbean that he isn't Cooper. Let's leave that one aside for now.

Two things, to go to the Caribbean first they would be going way out over the Atlantic Ocean.. to New Orleans was over land,, and the southern Caribbean was about as far as Honduras.. 

The runways in the Caribbean were very short but some operators did fly 727's in there.

This is where it gets interesting,, although 727's could land on short runways it depends on some variable.. the model, the engine configuration, elevation, flap settings as some were blocked off for safety. Eastern flew 727's in there but only planes equipped with front brakes.

So, it isn't a given that any or all 727's could land on those short Caribbean runways.

After takeoff from New Orleans he had the plane fly East then South across the Gulf of Mexico minimizing the distance over the water. Yes, a parachuting hijacker flew over the water.

IMO, having a gun and a fake bomb vs only a real/fake bomb makes all the difference. 

If the plane is rushed a real/fake bomb only is an automatic death.. a gun gives you some distance and defence..

 

 

Edited June 9 by FLYJACK