DB Cooper

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10 hours ago, monk71 said:

Did Norman Hayden describe his chute as an NB-6? Isn't the one Cooper rejected an NB-8? (Now in a museum.)  Or didn't Hayden use these terms?

According to Bruce Smith's site, Hayden claimed that both back chutes were "identical pioneers." If true, he may have meant identical by brand... but not necessarily by container/canopy size nor by color.

Is this the only rigging card?

Do we have images of the other card... that Cooper took out?

Hayden never described the container as an NB6 or any other model .. The one Cooper rejected now at the museum is a Pioneer P2-B-24 early 1940's civilian container with newer harness and canopy. There were many very similar rigs of that era both civilian and military.. The one Cooper used was Olive Drab according to Hayden indicating a military version.

The other card is not available, I have done a FOIA for it..  but there is a description of it in the FBI files, it does not use "NB6".

Hayden described the missing chute as Olive Drab with tan cotton harness. Cossey described it as Sage Green nylon container and Sage Green nylon harness, that is consistent with an NB6, Hayden's description is not. NB6's can be made by different manufacturers but they are Sage Green from the mid 50's.. Hayden said they were the same.. I take that to mean similar but different colours.. Hayden wanted two cheap rigs to meet the regulations for his acrobatic plane, he never intended to use them. The NB6 is very different rigs. Hayden would have bought two similar and cheap rigs to meet regs..

The ONLY source for the "NB6" is Cossey's claim.. he initially believed Emrich grabbed his chutes from Issaquah. Cossey said he was called and the remaining chute was described so he assumed the other chute was his NB6. 

Cossey must have learned within a day or so that Hayden's chutes were used but he never corrected his error or supplied his packing records, he even said in later interviews that he still had the records and could ID the chutes. He told FBI agent Carr the two back chutes came from his house..  He claimed his chute left behind was returned to him, it wasn't, it went to Hayden.. Cossey made an error and lied for years to maintain his initial error. 

To accept "NB6" you have to believe Cossey and believe he knew the chutes came from Hayden the night of the hijacking and reject the contradictory evidence.

Edited Wednesday at 02:19 PM by FLYJACK

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On 5/17/2025 at 6:42 PM, FLYJACK said:

Wednesday,,, 

https://www.discovery.com/shows/expedition-files/episodes/lost-and-found

My guess is Gryder and McCoy... and another Ryan debunking..

Has Josh Gates ever solved anything??

He did do a Reca segment... so, the bar is low...

nailed it..

Josh is the new Geraldo....

 

[olemisscub 527]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

nailed it..

Josh is the new Geraldo....

 

There’s never a bad time for a McCoy debunking video, but I’m glad that I (and you as well it seems) correctly predicted it would be McCoy. These videos take days to make and it was finished in the nick of time. Got it published about an hour before the show aired.

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On 5/21/2025 at 1:39 AM, dudeman17 said:

Say what? People are still manufacturing, not just using but manufacturing 2-pin reserve containers with velcro flap closures and round canopies in 2018?? What the hell are you people doing over there?

using them as cushions mostly

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7 hours ago, olemisscub said:

There’s never a bad time for a McCoy debunking video, but I’m glad that I (and you as well it seems) correctly predicted it would be McCoy. These videos take days to make and it was finished in the nick of time. Got it published about an hour before the show aired.

Well done,, those vids take a lot of work.

Not sure what it will take to finally end the McCoy grift..  Facts don't matter..

Though he did get the tie particles tested, Josh has really disappointed... and gone for the low info audience.

Edited yesterday at 12:39 PM by FLYJACK

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18 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

nailed it..

Josh is the new Geraldo....

 

I didn’t see the Gates show. Sounds like I didn’t miss anything. I did see a lot of hits on my site though, so I guess a rising tide lifts all boats. 

[dudeman17 346]

On 5/21/2025 at 7:53 PM, FLYJACK said:

Josh is the new Geraldo....

So if I go back and watch the last part of that show, should I believe anything he has to say about James Dean's car?

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9 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

So if I go back and watch the last part of that show, should I believe anything he has to say about James Dean's car?

Not really,, Josh is not finding or doing anything himself... he is using unproven theories and conjecture from others. 

His show is essentially TV "clickbait".. nothing is proven or resolved. Mostly rehashed stuff. His show is made to be entertaining not informative.

For the Dean car he covers known stuff about it then uses the claim from a guy that he helped seal it in a wall of a building,, this isn't new and was never proven.