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[FLYJACK 762]

One of the many reasons Cossey's description of the chute Cooper used is unreliable..

He claimed he had his packing records and serial numbers.. (a requirement for riggers) he never provided them and even claimed he gave everything to the FBI,, he didn't.

There is no corroboration for Cossey's claim of a nylon sage green NB6/8 and sage green nylon harness.

IMO, he didn't provide them because his initial description was wrong.

 

 

Edited May 17 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 762]

1979 map of the Fazio's.. the sand/gravel operation was at the southern end, money at the furthest North point of the property. It is almost 600 yards from the sand/gravel operation . The drawn circle representing the money spot is off just slightly South of the actual spot. So, the idea that somehow the money came from their sand operation is not reasonable.

[FLYJACK 762]

This is odd.. physical evidence  "straps of material from one of the parachutes"???

Does that mean the front reserve Cooper opened?

 

[FLYJACK 762]

The pilot's said "American" currency. Tina said said she later learned from him that he wanted "US" currency...

This does not make Cooper a Canadian...

It just suggests that Cooper spent time in an environment that did not use US money exclusively. It could be Vietnam, it may be an American.. Cooper likely spent time recently outside the US.

Edited May 17 by FLYJACK

[Robert99 55]

4 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

This is odd.. physical evidence  "straps of material from one of the parachutes"???

Does that mean the front reserve Cooper opened?

 

"The Seattle and Portland Agents in attendance felt the accurate story concerning the incident had never appeared in its correct form in any publications they had read."

I'll bet their statement is still valid.

[Robert99 55]

4 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

One of the many reasons Cossey's description of the chute Cooper used is unreliable..

He claimed he had his packing records and serial numbers.. (a requirement for riggers) he never provided them and even claimed he gave everything to the FBI,, he didn't.

There is no corroboration for Cossey's claim of a nylon sage green NB6/8 and sage green nylon harness.

IMO, he didn't provide them because his initial description was wrong.

 

 

More than 10 months after the hijacking, Cossey had still not bothered to inform the FBI of data that should have been in his parachute rigger's log book and could have been retrieved in less than 5 minutes.  Obviously, the log book information did not support whatever Cossey was claiming or he would have provided it.

Simply ignore everything Cossey claimed and there are no problems with the parachutes.

Has any progress been made in Cossey's murder investigation?

Edited May 17 by Robert99

[dudeman17 346]

Why this mixup persisted boggles me. Sure, that night when phone calls are made and Cossey thinks he's volunteered his rigs... But the next day or whenever the next time he's at the dz and realizes they didn't take his rigs... And from the FBI's side, surely someone could have said, 'no we didn't take his, we got them from this pilot...' So why did they keep asking Cossey about them?

 

Anyway, this Wednesday on Discovery, Josh Gates is implying he's going to name Cooper? Who's behind this?

[Robert99 55]

59 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

Why this mixup persisted boggles me. Sure, that night when phone calls are made and Cossey thinks he's volunteered his rigs... But the next day or whenever the next time he's at the dz and realizes they didn't take his rigs... And from the FBI's side, surely someone could have said, 'no we didn't take his, we got them from this pilot...' So why did they keep asking Cossey about them?

 

Anyway, this Wednesday on Discovery, Josh Gates is implying he's going to name Cooper? Who's behind this?

Press agents?  Whoever is named will not be the right one.

[FLYJACK 762]

3 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

Why this mixup persisted boggles me. Sure, that night when phone calls are made and Cossey thinks he's volunteered his rigs... But the next day or whenever the next time he's at the dz and realizes they didn't take his rigs... And from the FBI's side, surely someone could have said, 'no we didn't take his, we got them from this pilot...' So why did they keep asking Cossey about them?

 

Anyway, this Wednesday on Discovery, Josh Gates is implying he's going to name Cooper? Who's behind this?

Wednesday,,, 

https://www.discovery.com/shows/expedition-files/episodes/lost-and-found

My guess is Gryder and McCoy... and another Ryan debunking..

Has Josh Gates ever solved anything??

He did do a Reca segment... so, the bar is low...

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On 5/17/2025 at 8:42 PM, FLYJACK said:

Wednesday,,, 

https://www.discovery.com/shows/expedition-files/episodes/lost-and-found

My guess is Gryder and McCoy... and another Ryan debunking..

Has Josh Gates ever solved anything??

He did do a Reca segment... so, the bar is low...

Gates is superficial. Nothing he does is the final word on anything.

[monk71 2]

Eric is teasing a new suspect.

 

[CooperNWO305 158]

10 hours ago, monk71 said:

Eric is teasing a new suspect.

 

The comments. Does Eric need Ryan’s approval on this?

[FLYJACK 762]

19 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

The comments. Does Eric need Ryan’s approval on this?

HAHAHAHA.....

Several levels of crazy...

Reminds me of the Gryder chute debunking fiasco... 

Gryder's found chute was not an NB6 but extremely unlikely Cooper used an NB6..

We need to do  a debunking video of the debunking.

 

This video is really interesting, I posted it a while back but have a listen.

The patrolman was dispatched to Issaquah pick up FOUR chutes, corroborated by Emrich who was asked for FOUR chutes, but was contacted and told they had obtained the backs and only needed the fronts..

Cossey had zero to do with obtaining chutes from Hayden.. Cossey believed all four of his chutes were being picked up from Issaquah, that is why he described his chutes he assumed were used...  He never corrected it and never supplied his records because they would have conflicted with his description. Cossey's uncorroborated claim that Cooper used an NB6/8 is totally unreliable.

Also, Emrich's daughter pointed out that there was an X on the dummy... Emrich corroborated this as well. It was likely a black X and it was the container that had red flaps.

 

Edited Monday at 02:38 PM by FLYJACK

[olemisscub 527]

12 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

The comments. Does Eric need Ryan’s approval on this?

That’s hilarious

Couldn’t hurt though. Had he done that with VP I could’ve told him in three minutes that the guy had blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, and was missing a freaking finger. Not that it would’ve dissuaded him though.

[monk71 2]

11 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

The comments. Does Eric need Ryan’s approval on this?

Hey Ryan, how could someone get your approval for a POI named Chris Magee?

(I'm too afraid to say the word suspect. Asking for a friend.) 

 

 

[monk71 2]

12 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

extremely unlikely Cooper used an NB6..

We need to do  a debunking video of the debunking.

I thought NB6 was settled dogma in the Cooper Canon.

I would watch such a video. Anything with the potential to clarify.

[Robert99 55]

1 hour ago, monk71 said:

I thought NB6 was settled dogma in the Cooper Canon.

I would watch such a video. Anything with the potential to clarify.

Sorry, but there is absolutely no evidence that an NB-6 parachute was involved in the Cooper hijacking.

I owned and used an NB-6 parachute for several years prior to the hijacking and own some components of one now.

The entire NB-6 parachute system has several unique features which are not evident in Hayden's parachutes or any other backpacks that have been suggested.

Everything that Cossey claimed about the backpack parachutes is pure baloney.

[dudeman17 346]

17 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Reminds me of the Gryder chute debunking fiasco... 

Gryder's found chute was not an NB6 but extremely unlikely Cooper used an NB6..

They got Hayden's two rigs. One of the rigs and both of the packing cards were left on the plane. Therefore any rig that was not Hayden's other rig, matching that other packing card, would have to be dismissed. Is that wrong?

[koppel 5]

DB COOPER has been found hiding in South East Queensland, Australia.

 

Still a nefarious character, who has progressed from hijacking and theft to the larcenous activity of pencil packing!

 

 

[FLYJACK 762]

6 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

They got Hayden's two rigs. One of the rigs and both of the packing cards were left on the plane. Therefore any rig that was not Hayden's other rig, matching that other packing card, would have to be dismissed. Is that wrong?

Yes, but Ryan's debunking of Gryder's rig was that it was not an NB6 therefore not Cooper's...  Ryan was correct the Gryder rig is not an NB6, but wrong to claim Cooper's was an NB6, that is extremely unlikely.

Ryan's conclusion is correct, the Gryder rig was not Cooper's but his argument that it is not Cooper's because it is not an NB6 is wrong.

A fiasco...  even Larry Carr dismissed the Gryder rig because it was not an NB6.

[FLYJACK 762]

5 hours ago, koppel said:

DB COOPER has been found hiding in South East Queensland, Australia.

 

Still a nefarious character, who has progressed from hijacking and theft to the larcenous activity of pencil packing!

 

 

Funny, never know, but the hijacker never used the name "D B Cooper" and he would likely be over 100 years old,, ,,, "D B Cooper" was a media error. He used Dan Cooper.

 

 

[FLYJACK 762]

12 hours ago, monk71 said:

I thought NB6 was settled dogma in the Cooper Canon.

I would watch such a video. Anything with the potential to clarify.

Depends who you talk to..  Very few things in this case are settled.

The NB6 claim came ONLY from Cossey, it was not corroborated by any other person or evidence and there is evidence to contradict it.

Cossey believed his back chutes were grabbed from Issaquah and used so it is very likely he was describing his own chutes not Hayden's. Cossey had nothing to do with acquiring Hayden's back chutes. Cossey made an initial error and never corrected it. He never supplied his packing records and he told many false stories about the chutes over the years.

To believe Cooper's chute was an NB6 you have to trust Cossey and dismiss contradictory evidence. 

Conclusion, extremely unlikely Cooper used an NB6. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:40 PM by FLYJACK

[dudeman17 346]

5 hours ago, koppel said:

DB COOPER has been found hiding in South East Queensland, Australia.

 

Still a nefarious character, who has progressed from hijacking and theft to the larcenous activity of pencil packing!

Say what? People are still manufacturing, not just using but manufacturing 2-pin reserve containers with velcro flap closures and round canopies in 2018?? What the hell are you people doing over there?

[monk71 2]

Did Norman Hayden describe his chute as an NB-6? Isn't the one Cooper rejected an NB-8? (Now in a museum.)  Or didn't Hayden use these terms?

According to Bruce Smith's site, Hayden claimed that both back chutes were "identical pioneers." If true, he may have meant identical by brand... but not necessarily by container/canopy size nor by color.

Is this the only rigging card?

Do we have images of the other card... that Cooper took out?

[dudeman17 346]

14 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

Say what? People are still manufacturing, not just using but manufacturing 2-pin reserve containers with velcro flap closures and round canopies in 2018?? What the hell are you people doing over there?

Actually on second glance that might be my mistake. If that's a sideways look at a pilot rig then it's ok. The pin spacing looks a little close for that, but what do I know. At first glance it looked like the upper half of an old sport rig, like an old Wonderhog type reserve container, where that setup would be horizontal.