DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 760]

  On 5/1/2025 at 3:29 PM, CooperNWO305 said:

These AI images definitely are polluting the case. We have enough trouble with all the other sketches and deciphering witness statements. 

Exactly... they seem fun and interesting but distort the legit evidence in the minds of the public. Like "the force" it can be used for good or evil..

[FLYJACK 760]

Hahneman's Wiki page is very very superficial, half truth's, opinions and errors.. I had to scan it because I have never read it.

The info is culled from newspaper's. I can see some posters on Reddit have just repeated those errors...

The reason the teeth and Ryan are important is because he has used false information to eliminate him and disseminated that to a wide audience. 

I never wanted to be in the position to defend Hahneman or try to convince anybody anything..  My goal is to get the the truth and Ryan's misinformation undermines that whether that is Hahneman or any other issue.

So, Wiki is largely garbage.. everybody with a brain knows that... Ryan really does not know much about Hahneman and has been trashing him and disseminating false information to discredit me.

My investigation is still in progress and at this stage it is moving very slow... So, I am not in a position to make a case yet or share my research.

Meanwhile, go back to your Skip's, Vordahl's or whatever endless parade of bad suspects with no chance of being Cooper. Write a few bogus books, make a doc, put on a show all the world is a stage.

Edited May 1 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 760]

To Mr Kamkisky on Reddit..

It seems to not be in dispute at all that Hahneman had the plane land a second time because of the denominations issue. 

I don’t see how that can be ignored. 

Why would Cooper mess that up so bad he needs to land again and wait four hours for $1,000 and $500s? 

It makes no sense. 

Cooper would know basically the size of the bag that was coming to him based on his ask. Is there even a counter argument to that? 

I just don’t see how the behavior pattern fits. Hahenman is worse at it than Cooper (who didn’t have to land a second time). 

Is there an example of this anywhere else? Is there a bank robber (sober) who has done two jobs and was worse when requesting and taking the money the second time? Generally people learn from experience and get better. 

Then there’s the clutching issue. Maybe there is some specific skydiving reason? Is holding a briefcase better? Seems off to me but I don’t know skydiving.

First, Ryan knows almost nothing about Hahneman, he was not what we would consider mentally ill. Hahneman that is, I don't know anything about Ryan..

The newspapers are not really accurate often spewing half truths and contextual distortions kind of like Ryan.

He initially demanded specific denominations.. took off and discovered he was given the wrong denomination.. that was an excuse to land again and swap some of it..  He later claimed his real reason to return was to delay the hijacking because he wanted a night jump and it had nothing to with the size of the money bag. 

He did not clutch or jump with the briefcase that is 100% false like many claims about him. He left it in the stairwell and it was tossed by the crew in case the bomb was real. It was very likely fake.

Nobody knows anything close to what I know about Hahneman. Newspaper reports are not always that accurate or leave out context,, you see that with the Cooper case as well.

One news report had him putting the Captains head in a noose,, didn't happen. Many people used that false to claim to eliminate him as Cooper, too violent. Just like Ryan does with his false claim about the teeth. Fact is.. The FBI had faked a mechanical issue with the plane and Hahneman got upset because he knew they were playing him. He demanded a new plane knowing they had snipers on him ready to blow off his head so he had to surround himself with the crew to transfer planes, he tied a rope to the captains mid section to keep him next to him for protection... Cooper was never put under that stress or in that type of situation..  in fact the stew made an almost identical comment as Tina did about Cooper.

Hahneman stew vs Tina..

 

The problem is guys like Ryan who have a big voice in the Cooper world really have a limited knowledge about Hahneman but don't realize it. So, they form juvenile opinions based on limited knowledge. That is why I get pissed when he spreads misinformation then doubles down on it. If I wasn't me and know what I know now I wouldn't think Hahneman could be Cooper either but I would not eliminate him.

I have some requests, do not spread false information (Lyin Ryan), do not use assumptions to eliminate, be patient, keep an open mind and lastly never pet a burning dog.

 

Edited May 2 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 760]

Officially they claim Hahneman jumped at 3:55 AM in Honduras,, sunrise is about 5:30.. he did jump in the dark.

The original plane was delayed in New Orleans when they faked that mechanical issue and had to switch planes so he probably wanted an even earlier jump time. 

[FLYJACK 760]

Easton Pa was NOT Hahneman's hometown.

He was not born there.

He did not grow up there.

He was not living there.

 

hometown

noun [ C ]

 

UK  

 

 /ˈhəʊm.taʊn/ US  

 

 /ˈhoʊm.taʊn/

 

Add to word list 

the town or city that a person is from, especially the one in which they were born and lived while they were young:

[monk71 2]

  On 5/1/2025 at 4:20 AM, olemisscub said:

No doubt this one is more your speed

 

 

Quentin Tarantino? 

[FLYJACK 760]

  On 4/3/2025 at 5:06 PM, FLYJACK said:

 

This is Ryan's Matrix he posted a while ago, credit for posting it BTW. 15 items,,, very basic and flawed... my matrix has close to 200 items and growing.

Hahneman has most of these,, He has aviation "crew" experience but not necessarily a "pilot"... and he is between 5-9 to 5-10 in shoes.. Ryan is using 5-10 as the lower bound when the FBI used 5-8 and stated do not use height to (5-8) to eliminate.. Ryan doesn't know Cooper's exact height. "727 knowledge".. what does that mean, technical knowledge or have flown on a 727??

 

See, what it is like dealing with Hyperbolic Ryan, he said several times I claimed my matrix was 400,, no it is 200. It is quoted right above. I said 200, not 400.. and yes it is almost 200.

Ryan always does this.. he never gets anything right. I keep correcting him and he just keeps repeating falsehoods.. 

I updated Hahneman's score on Ryan's matrix. IMO, he is #1.. if you use the FBI height minimum not Ryan's opinion.

 

Ryan’s matrix for Hahneman.. he gives him only 9 points.. Ryan must have some things wrong.

 

I count 14 on Ryan’s matrix,,  should be 16 if you use the FBI height minimum not Ryan’s opinion. I think the top score is 17 if a pilot. 

 

16 is the highest suspect score, Hahneman wins Ryan’s matrix… almost a perfect score. But he can't be Cooper.

 

Somebody said something about a reward...

 

 

Ryan's matrix..  I think this is it.

 

Hahneman's scoring on Ryan's matrix..

 

1 opportunity   1 point

 

2 height  -1  FBI disagrees with Ryan,,  should be a 1 FBI used 5-8 and said do not use to eliminate. What does Ryan know that FBI didn't.

 

3 Complexion 1

 

4 Age 1

 

5 Drinker 1

 

6 Parachute training/experience 1

 

7 Pilot 0

 

8 Aviation history 1 not a pilot but was on an aircrew and very knowledgable

 

9 727 knowledge 1  he flew on extensively, not sure if that counts or does it mean specific technical knowledge.

 

10 Criminal history 1 committed serious crimes but wasn’t charged. No evidence Cooper had a criminal history. FBI believed he didn’t.

 

11 Spent time in PNW 1 

 

12 Know McChord 1 must have in air force, Pacific region navigator.

 

13 Tie particles 1

 

14 Family 1

 

15 Dropzone incorrect (-3) 0

 

16 Eye witness photo (-3) 0

 

17 Eye witness see later (-1) 0

 

18 Demolition 1

 

19 Smoker 1

 

20 Neutral accent 1

 

 

 

 

Edited May 2 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 760]

RyanBurns-NORJAK

•1h ago

If only we knew what he knew….That’s literally how a 9 year old tries to win a debate.

 

This is the problem, I am not trying to win a debate. I don't need to.. the issue is you have opinions that are not supported by facts, your information base is mediocre.. reasoning poor.. many facts you claim are not true.

My goal working on this case is to get to the truth for myself not convince others of anything..  not hand you my research to win an irrelevant debate. 

I've already won this you just don't realize it yet.

[CooperNWO305 158]

  On 5/2/2025 at 5:17 AM, FLYJACK said:

RyanBurns-NORJAK

•1h ago

If only we knew what he knew….That’s literally how a 9 year old tries to win a debate.

 

This is the problem, I am not trying to win a debate. I don't need to.. the issue is you have opinions that are not supported by facts, your information base is mediocre.. reasoning poor.. many facts you claim are not true.

My goal working on this case is to get to the truth for myself not convince others of anything..  not hand you my research to win an irrelevant debate. 

I've already won this you just don't realize it yet.

Ryan, I am not going to ban you from Reddit. You provide good info most of the time.  If we want facts, then I usually expect you and Fly to reply here or on Reddit.  You seem to have a lot of time and are able to do this, whereas there are others with the knowledge, but not time or access to the files all the time.  I simply don't have my OCRs handy most of the time.

What I will do though is call you a liar here on DZ, maybe it is a different type of lie than Fly is referring to, but you still lie. Has anyone told you have integrity issues? You just can't tell the truth.You lie by omission and use other techniques.  Maybe I'll just note that when you do it on Reddit. Let you post when its factual and complete, then put a disclaimer on it when its not or just delete the comments. Or we can start all your posts with "This is my opinion"

You have a very complicated relationship with the truth.

I'll comment on your video here when I can.  I usually only see Reddit on my phone.  Plus, it is probably not a good optic when a Mod and top 1 percent poster start discussing integrity and lies and all, but I can if you want.

As a criminal defense attorney you probably get away with not telling the truth, no team to call you out, no employees, no teammates, no boss, no family, etc.  It is just not how most people roll.

I look at you as having a lot of case knowlege, and that should be shared, but you just can't tell the truth, so anything I can do to call attention to that in this case, I will do that.  It is pretty simple actually, I just have to ask a few questions here and there to uncover that you never seem to tell the whole story.

 

[CooperNWO305 158]

Ryan's video, first impressions.

Ryan is a sneaky lawyer who sees Fly and I as witnesses to discredit to win his case.  He continues to try and discredit us by saying we are biased towards suspects, and therefore can't possibly have case knowledge.  Because we are biased, we can't possibly understand why the A sketch is not the best, even though Ryan and many others used the B sketch for years.  He may even claim Charlie Farrell acknowledges he made a mistake, but as usual, Ryan will never tell the whole story. He will follow with theatrics, histrionics, and gaslighting.  You can't win with Ryan. If you stick to your conclusions, then he says you are bad for not changing. He's just like EU now, changing everytime he feels like it and admoishing you for not getting on the train. His agenda is his ego and need for approval.

He is now calling me Anonymous, or following suit when a few others do.  That was years ago, call me Dave.  I know you like to use it as a dig and Smith's daughter tries to get sympathy for it, but plenty of people knew who I was and plenty know who I am now.  I went to CooperCon to meet Bill Mitchell, and then to meet Larry, it did not make sense to introduce myself to people as Anonymous.  Besides, anyone of importance knew who I was, to include the Army. Very childish on your part.

Honestly, you have some real clowns on that chat.  Mary J is one of them. Elisabeth T?? Get some decent people. No wonder most of the world does not take this group seriously.  Half that group just does not like me calling them out, or they circle the wagons around Smith's daughter, because as she stated, she called "EVERYONE"

Doug Perry thinks Cooper died. Martin thinks no one has named him. Bruce thinks he's MACV SOG.  None of us agree on suspects.  So saying someone does not think someone else is a suspect means nothing.

There were a few on there who were good. The Jays actually have some good input, I'll have to follow them some more.  Ian and Randy seemed to have some good input. Some others asked good questions.  But your fan club just sits and parrots what you say.

KK51 did not have sunglasses.  You always like to discount that one.  Flo picked it out.  Mitchell had no input into A, nor did the other witnesses, except Flo and Alice.  You leave all that out.

Homely, ugly, not handsome, etc.  Those are tough metrics to quantify.  Beauty is the eye of the beholder.  You're taking a pic of Burnworth, saying he's handsomer than Cooper, then trying to tie Smith into that.  You're in your 40s and you are commenting on how a guy like Smith looked to young stews in 1971?  If Smith's daughter thought he was handsome, then great.

You love quoting your matrix, it becomes an appeal to authority. Have some stones and publish the whole thing on all the pages and then let people comment on if they think those are good categories.  You know you use it to get points, it is a common argument technique. "Oh, matrix, that sounds important" like when EU says "it's science"

I don't think you're a POS, I reserve that for worse offenders.  I just think you can't tell the truth and you purposely mislead people.  I think there are enough people in the Vortex who see this.

His accent. If Cooper whispered to Tina, how would she know what his accent was.  Maybe Smith had a bad New Jersey accent, we don't know, but you claim NJ has a bad one. Newsflash, not everyone there sounds like Joe Pesci. Smith was fairly refined compared to his peers.  Besides, Tina was from not far from there anyhow, so in my mind she would have just heard her normal type accent she was used to hearing, like for me when I hear Northeast accents.  If someone is from the deep south, I can pick it out quickly, but the Northeast, not so much.  The fact is you don't know how it went on the plane.

Drew D. seems like a decent guy, but he seems to follow you pretty blindly.  He claims B is a cut and paste of KK51, as you often do to establish legitimacy for your claims.  By saying B is just KK51 adjusted, you try to muddy the waters and discount KK51, because it totally negates your theory.  So if I put long blonde hair on KK51 then it is still just KK51? Or bigger ears? Your argument is absurd, it is a different photo, once you start modifying it, it is different, whether you started from KK51 or scratch.  Like baking a cake, we can all decorate it differently.

Nicky made an absurd claim that because Smith was union he would not have done something to his fellow union members/workers.  Nicky just does not have the capacity for these things.  But I do love when he comments, because he constantly contradicts himself.  Unions hate management.  Railroaders were pissed in 1968 into the 1970s, and even before that.  I have many testimonials as to what they thought of management.  Smith or not, if someone was union, this would have been a perfect way to say F you to management.

Finally, unless I go back and really look at the details.  You have it out for Fly for sure.  You keep joking about him calling you a liar, in the hopes of diluting it, or you try to downplay it and say it is a white lie or a mistake.  The fact is that you are dishonest.  You claim I have been biased since two weeks in when I found Smith. False, it was not two weeks. I followed the case before that, and even when I jumped in it was more than two weeks.  You want to claim that is only Fly and myself who think your A theory is off, and it is because we have suspects.  You either know you are full of it, or you have some other issue, or you are flat out lying.  That is your way of arguing, trying to downplay our case knowledge and intelligence.  I'm confident of my ability to obtain, analyze, and retain knowledge.  I learn quickly.  So go ahead and keep badmouthing us and making up false claims.  You're the one who has bounced suspect to suspect, but Fly and I who continue to research one suspect are biased?? 

You go out of your way to attack Fly and myself.  It used to be just Fly because he disagreed with you, but then it was me when I called BS on Vordahl.  I've seen you operate over and over again over a period of years.  You get upset when challenged.  You lash out.

It would be nice for you to tell the truth. Maybe you don't care when you have Nicky and Mary and other fans telling you it is ok.  Maybe someday we will see some other people question your theories.  Unfortunately, most of the people willing and able to have left.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 2 by CooperNWO305
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[FLYJACK 760]

Yup, Ryan claims those who don't accept his opinions have an agenda.. He can't fathom that he may actually be wrong.  We just agree with the evidence and FBI when they said sketch B was the best likeness.. and I agree with the FBI when they used 5-8 as the lower bound.. So, the FBI has an agenda against Ryan as well since 1971/2.. odd argument.

But I admit I do have an agenda..  pursue the truth.

 

and Ryan's vid was a train wreck of lies and misinformation.. he completely altered my position on issues to attack and mock them.. completely dishonest and a form of lying. 

Edited May 2 by FLYJACK

[CooperNWO305 158]

Some commentary on lawyers in the courtroom.  My favorite is "Defense attorneys have no obligation to present the truth and I continuously see officers shocked when they learn this firsthand in court"

Ryan is certainly not obligated to tell the truth in the Cooper case.

Or just Google defense attorney dirty tricks

 

https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/5-ways-defense-attorneys-try-to-trip-up-cops-and-how-to-beat-them-xfyoa4RMUotvU8GV/

https://calibrepress.com/2021/10/recognizing-and-controlling-courtroom-tricks/

[FLYJACK 760]

I got Ryan's matrix wrong..   a suspect gets 2 points for aviation experience not 1.. Hahneman goes up 1 point.

Ryan only gave Hahneman 9 points, he should update his data and tell everybody that Hahneman is #1.

 

 

Ryan’s matrix for Hahneman.. he gives him only 9 points.. Ryan obviously has some things wrong.

 

I count 15 points on Ryan’s matrix, 16 minus 1 for height.,,  should be 17 if you use the FBI height minimum not Ryan’s personal opinion. 

 

Either way Hahneman wins Ryan’s matrix… almost a perfect score. But he can't be Cooper.

 

 

 

 

Ryan's matrix..  

 

Hahneman's scoring on Ryan's matrix..

 

1 opportunity   1 point

 

2 height  -1  FBI disagrees with Ryan,,  should be a 1 FBI used 5-8 and said do not use to eliminate. What does Ryan know that FBI didn't.

 

3 Complexion 1 point

 

4 Age 1 point

 

5 Drinker 1 point

 

6 Parachute training/experience 1 point

 

7 Pilot 0 points

 

8 Aviation history 2 points 

 

9 727 knowledge 1 point  he flew on extensively, not sure if that counts or does it mean specific technical knowledge.

 

10 Criminal history 1 point committed serious crimes but wasn’t charged. No evidence Cooper had a criminal history. FBI believed he didn’t.

 

11 Spent time in PNW 1 point

 

12 Know McChord 1 point must have in air force, Pacific region navigator.

 

13 Tie particles 1 point

 

14 Family 1 point

 

15 Dropzone incorrect (-3) 0

 

16 Eye witness photo (-3) 0

 

17 Eye witness see later (-1) 0

 

18 Demolition 1 point

 

19 Smoker 1 point

 

20 Neutral accent 1 point

 

Edited May 2 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 760]

Ryan will never admit that Hahneman is #1 on his OWN matrix.. no, that doesn't make him Cooper, it exposes Ryan's bias.. The only thing he doesn't get a point for is being a pilot, he claimed to be a pilot but there is no proof of that. 

But Ryan still has the height range wrong. He claims he is just using the FBI's 5-10-6 ft.. but they didn't... Ryan is misleading, claiming his opinion is backed by the authority of the FBI.. it isn't.

That is an ESTIMATE of the hijacker standing in shoes based on Tina. the initial published estimate was 5-9 to 5-10, that one included Gregory's and Mitchell's 5-9.. the description closet to the event.. there is no evidence Tina was right and the two guys were wrong. Clearly, the witness estimates included shoes.. 

But the FBI used 5-8 as the lower bound for suspects, not 5-10. They used 5-8 to search Elsinore records and there is a warning notice to agents to NOT eliminate suspects based on height down to 5-8.. 

A self reported height is almost always without shoes, usually an inch less in average shoes. We don't know the height of Cooper's shoes. Laceless ankle something's..

So, Ryan is directly comparing two contextually different datasets. Self reported heights vs height estimate range of the hijacker by Tina in shoes..  You can't do that.

The Cooper witness estimates started from 5-9... so the FBI used 5-8 to account for shoes and Tina's claim that Cooper was taller than her... we don't know the height of Cooper's shoes.

Ryan's actual height range for Cooper in shoes is defacto 5-11, not 5-10 because he doesn't account for self reporting variability.

Bottom line, based on all witnesses and self reporting variability and shoes.. the fact is the FBI used 5-8 as the lower bound.. Ryan uses 5-10 as a cutoff which is incorrect.

If you agree with the FBI and disagree with Ryan you are just biased and have an agenda. This is really simple.. You can't directly compare reported heights to Tina's Cooper estimate in shoes to eliminate. It is irrational.

Edited May 3 by FLYJACK

[DWeber 3]

  On 5/2/2025 at 11:07 PM, FLYJACK said:

I got Ryan's matrix wrong..   a suspect gets 2 points for aviation experience not 1.. Hahneman goes up 1 point.

Ryan only gave Hahneman 9 points, he should update his data and tell everybody that Hahneman is #1.

 

 

Ryan’s matrix for Hahneman.. he gives him only 9 points.. Ryan obviously has some things wrong.

 

I count 15 points on Ryan’s matrix, 16 minus 1 for height.,,  should be 17 if you use the FBI height minimum not Ryan’s personal opinion. 

 

Either way Hahneman wins Ryan’s matrix… almost a perfect score. But he can't be Cooper.

 

 

 

 

Ryan's matrix..  

 

Hahneman's scoring on Ryan's matrix..

 

1 opportunity   1 point

 

2 height  -1  FBI disagrees with Ryan,,  should be a 1 FBI used 5-8 and said do not use to eliminate. What does Ryan know that FBI didn't.

 

3 Complexion 1 point

 

4 Age 1 point

 

5 Drinker 1 point

 

6 Parachute training/experience 1 point

 

7 Pilot 0 points

 

8 Aviation history 2 points 

 

9 727 knowledge 1 point  he flew on extensively, not sure if that counts or does it mean specific technical knowledge.

 

10 Criminal history 1 point committed serious crimes but wasn’t charged. No evidence Cooper had a criminal history. FBI believed he didn’t.

 

11 Spent time in PNW 1 point

 

12 Know McChord 1 point must have in air force, Pacific region navigator.

 

13 Tie particles 1 point

 

14 Family 1 point

 

15 Dropzone incorrect (-3) 0

 

16 Eye witness photo (-3) 0

 

17 Eye witness see later (-1) 0

 

18 Demolition 1 point

 

19 Smoker 1 point

 

20 Neutral accent 1 point

 

This is helpful to see laid out in this manner. How do you explain the fact that Hahneman served a decade in prison for highjacking a plane and was never connected to Cooper? Coverup, Negligence? If he would have escaped into Honduras and never been seen again that would make him a much stronger suspect IMO

[FLYJACK 760]

  On 5/3/2025 at 6:48 PM, DWeber said:

This is helpful to see laid out in this manner. How do you explain the fact that Hahneman served a decade in prison for highjacking a plane and was never connected to Cooper? Coverup, Negligence? If he would have escaped into Honduras and never been seen again that would make him a much stronger suspect IMO

Both facts and speculation for this.

I found a gross FBI error early on, fact..  It would eliminate him if they used it, I assume they did though the FBI has never admitted why he is not Cooper. My speculation is also a high level coverup later at the State Department for political reasons, not FBI level. I have circumstantial evidence, not direct facts, so still a theory.

However, Cooper has to be put in context, the FBI met in 1976 and concluded that there was no case unless Cooper cooperated. They said the evidence was just too weak... That was 1976 not 1972 but the evidence was weak, that is why we have a new suspect pop up every week that ticks many boxes. The evidence is vague enough to interpret tens of thousands of people to fit.

It is extremely difficult to put somebody on the plane and may even be impossible. So, until somebody is put on the plane the case can't be 100% solved.

None of this is new I have mentioned this before..

 

My point in using Hahneman for Ryan's matrix (he is #1 BTW) is to expose his hypocrisy and bias, that matrix doesn't make somebody Cooper.. did I mention Hahneman is #1.. 

That matrix is so basic that thousands and thousands of people can check the boxes.

My suspect matrix is almost 200, not 400 as Hyperbolic Ryan keeps claiming, far more detailed and Hahneman does not tick every box.

Edited May 3 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 760]

The anatomy of deception.. 

Skip Loran Hall IS NOT DB Cooper.

 

Skip Loran Hall is 100% eliminated based on his unique facial features, fact, Limbach can write a thousand books, Skip is NOT Cooper. Anybody who defends Skip's facial features as being compatible with Cooper is just not being honest and engaging in propaganda.

Skip has severe forehead lines, deep, numerous and they go right up into his receding part, not normal, not Cooper.

Skip parts his hair on both sides, the forehead lines go way up into the part on both sides. Cooper parted his hair on the left and had normal forehead lines.

Skip has severe lines from his eyes down his face, Cooper did not have these.

Skip has a mole on the left side the side Tina would be facing it and never mentioned it. No mole mentioned for Cooper.

Skip also has at least 4 large lumps/bumps near his mouth, these are clear in the video of him without the moustache/goatee, it hides most of them. Cooper did have a moustache and they would have been noticed by witnesses. Never mentioned for Cooper.

 

These were not reported by Cooper witnesses and are so unique they would not all be missed by every witness. 

Hall is 100% eliminated. Stick a fork in him, he is done.

 

Here is how Ryan lies to manipulate, influence and deceive.. a lot of people seem to get duped by him.

Lie by commission.. Ryan claimed my argument was Cooper had no forehead lines. False, Ryan is creating a strawman by completely making up and distorting my argument. Cooper had normal forehead lines I have never said he did not. Ryan often falsely restates my arguments to attack them. This tactic works when the target audience only hears one side and does not realize that Ryan is misrepresenting my argument.

Lie by omission.. Ryan only focusses on the forehead lines, he ignores the 4 large lumps/bumps on Skip's face, the mole on the left side, the severe lines from the eyes and hair part on both sides.

Lie by distortion.. Ryan claims Skip's forehead lines make him more like Cooper. No, Cooper had normal forehead lines Skip's are severe lines in depth, number and coverage.

Lie by distraction.. Ryan claims Hahneman had no forehead lines. False, he does have normal forehead lines. Ryan used a poor photo of Hahneman to claim he had no lines, this is also a lie by deception. He also compared it to a poor image of Skip to minimize his forehead lines.

Lie by distraction #2. Attack the messenger,, Ryan attacks Hahneman to discredit me.. Hahneman has nothing to do with Skip's sever facial features. If Hahneman never existed Skip still has those unique facial features that eliminate him.

Lie... by appeal to authority... Ryan claims that Skip ranked #1 his on his matrix.. (Hahneman is #1 BTW) and won a poll to give credibility to Skip. Limbach touts this as some achievement. Both are irrelevant.

 

It is strange because Ryan claims Hall isn't Cooper but irrationally defends him...

My guess is Limbach will be doing a significant presentation at CooperCon of Skip and Ryan doesn't want to undermine the ticket draw. Skip is an interesting guy for sure, but he is not Cooper and has no place at CooperCon.. There may be good reasons to go but not for Skip... IMO, it is irresponsible and deceptive to present a "suspect" who is provably not Cooper.

 

Not Cooper,,  hair parted both sides severe forehead lines, deep, numerous and travel right up both receding hair parts,, Cooper's forehead lines were normal. You can't explain these lines away.. this is NOT DB COOPER.

 

Skip's video in 1968... once you see these things you can't unsee them...

 

Two of the facial bumps clear in video grab next to moustache,,, at least four can be seen in that video.

 

Severe eye wrinkles, Cooper did not have these.

 

Mole left side of face, upper cheek, Tina would have seen it. Large bump also clearly visible at corner of moustache.

Edited May 4 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 760]

This guy looks familiar.. he still doesn't have 8 deep forehead lines..

[FLYJACK 760]

Ryan's video..

It is good,, Ryan clearly put a lot of work into it.

Tina did not say one "packet" of $2000 was handed to her. The FBI file for Tina says only "one package" that may be one packet or several in a bundle. This is important because the TBAR money may be the money Cooper offered to Tina.

[georger 258]

  On 5/6/2025 at 6:21 PM, FLYJACK said:

Ryan's video..

It is good,, Ryan clearly put a lot of work into it.

Tina did not say one "packet" of $2000 was handed to her. The FBI file for Tina says only "one package" that may be one packet or several in a bundle. This is important because the TBAR money may be the money Cooper offered to Tina.

Small point but the statement does not say what Cooper did with the money he offered to Tina. Put it back in the bag? Put it in his coat pocket? If Cooper bailed with that same money in his coat pocket and it later is found at TBar ... ???  

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  On 5/7/2025 at 3:16 AM, georger said:

Small point but the statement does not say what Cooper did with the money he offered to Tina. Put it back in the bag? Put it in his coat pocket? If Cooper bailed with that same money in his coat pocket and it later is found at TBar ... ???  

That is a big mystery... only Tina and Cooper know what happened to that money.. 

IMO, it is even possible that Tina didn't hand back the money.

Her story never really made sense to me.

To be humorous... Tina asks for some money.

Cooper hands her "one package".

She claims she handed it back telling Cooper she was not allowed gratuities..  citing a later incident when all stews were offered the tip money.

Then right before they launch that big search in March, a short comment pops up in her local paper claiming Cooper offered her money but she refused..  The only inside case info coming out publicly from Tina.. It sounds like she was front running the search in case the money was found and some was missing..

Can't prove it but the entire thing is suspicious.

This was undisclosed case info,, she did not publicize any other case info.. She also lied,, she asked for the money.

Edited May 7 by FLYJACK

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  On 5/7/2025 at 2:29 PM, FLYJACK said:

That is a big mystery... only Tina and Cooper know what happened to that money.. 

IMO, it is even possible that Tina didn't hand back the money.

Her story never really made sense to me.

To be humorous... Tina asks for some money.

Cooper hands her "one package".

She claims she handed it back telling Cooper she was not allowed gratuities..  citing a later incident when all stews were offered the tip money.

Then right before they launch that big search in March, a short comment pops up in her local paper claiming Cooper offered her money but she refused..  The only inside case info coming out publicly from Tina.. It sounds like she was front running the search in case the money was found and some was missing..

Can't prove it but the entire thing is suspicious.

This was undisclosed case info,, she did not publicize any other case info.. She also lied,, she asked for the money.

Nobody thought to ask Tina what he did with the package of bills. Its details like this that confound this case ...

[FLYJACK 760]

  On 5/7/2025 at 6:51 PM, georger said:

Nobody thought to ask Tina what he did with the package of bills. Its details like this that confound this case ...

I know the case is riddled with these things,, did he put it in his coat pocket. Was the package one packet or one bundle of packets.

Agent Baker said the bundle sizes were made random,, were there bundles of 3 packets delivered to Cooper... 

Since the money Cooper gave to Tina and possibly offered the other stews was the only money we know of that was separated from the ransom money bag.. it is reasonable to theorize that it was the money that ended up on TBAR. 

Edited May 7 by FLYJACK

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  On 5/6/2025 at 6:21 PM, FLYJACK said:

Ryan's video..

It is good,, Ryan clearly put a lot of work into it.

Tina did not say one "packet" of $2000 was handed to her. The FBI file for Tina says only "one package" that may be one packet or several in a bundle. This is important because the TBAR money may be the money Cooper offered to Tina.

I'm curious your thoughts on how TB money could've been the money offered to Tina. I can agree that it is likely Cooper offered up one "packet" or 3 bundles for $6,000 (which couldve later become $5,800 on TB due to deterioration) but I can't think of a way the packet gets to TB. Are you suggesting Cooper didn't properly fasten that packet back to himself and it fell from the plane later? Or are you suggesting it's a Tina based plant and he used one packet because he had offered her that? Both seem unlikely.

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The new vault 106, page 30, says:

582. $20 bill cashed at Gas Station with
     Ransom Serial  (Unsub)

I assume this is an error... that the numbers did not match. Just odd how this was included, yet important info is missing.