DB Cooper

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***That microfiche is evidence not just for the FBI and law
enforcement but for NWA and the bank, and then the insurance
company, and the Court - because this transaction went to trial
when the insurance company at first refused to pay!

Richard Tosaw, a lawyer and former FBI agent represented the Ingrams in the 1986 Tena Bar money settlement.

I guess, maybe he saw a list other than the alpha-numerically order list.

He also wrote the book "DB Cooper Dead or Alive" published in 1984, which has the list of serial numbers.

Evidently he didn't charge the Ingrams for legal services but was promised a few of the Tena Bar twenties.

Article link below.....


G replies -


So? We know/knew Tosaw. Read the thread.

Do you know where with whom his Cooper files are?

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it's possible you found a typo......

Yes, probably a typo on the computer generated bill.

Possibly three SN's in a row? Does not match well with the
other SN's i found

So....I guess these Cooper bills only exist in the cyber world.

The picture you show also has a B on it it and the serial number has a L on it. I thought those two numbers had to match.

From here: http://www.onedollarbill.org/decoding.html

The Federal Reserve Seal and the Federal Reserve District Number.

There are twelve different Federal Reserve Banks responsible for printing paper money in the United States. On the one dollar bill, the bank can be quickly identified by a letter code in the Federal Reserve Seal to the left of the portrait of George Washington. The letter code is also found in the prefix of the serial number. A corresponding Federal Reserve District Number code is found in four locations. The following table is a handy reference for the bank codes:

Reserve Bank Letter Designation
Boston A 1
New York B 2
Philadelphia C 3
Cleveland D 4
Richmond E 5
Atlanta F 6
Chicago G 7
St. Louis H 8
Minneapolis I 9
Kansas City J 10
Dallas K 11
San Francisco L 12

Serial Numbers

The serial number of a bill appears twice, once in the lower left hand quadrant and again in the upper right hand quadrant on the front of the bill. The letter which precedes the numbers must be the same number that you saw identifying the Federal Reserve Bank. The last letter of the serial number or suffix letter identifies the number of times that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing used the sequence of serial numbers. A is the first time, B is the second time, C is the third time and so on. With one run for each letter of the alphabet (26) and 32 bill per run, there are a total of 832 bills per serial number.

looks like someone was taking artistic license, maybe? Maybe they were not allowed, at that time, to show an accurate representation of the money.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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The picture you show also has a B on it it and the serial number has a L on it. I thought those two numbers had to match.

There are probably more things wrong with the bill than just the mis-matching B and L.

The graphic designer probably didn't want to make the bills too accurate
for liability reasons.

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The picture you show also has a B on it it and the serial number has a L on it. I thought those two numbers had to match.

There are probably more things wrong with the bill than just the mis-matching B and L.

The graphic designer probably didn't want to make the bills too accurate
for liability reasons.

the bill in the center also shows it's a 1950 A series. my guess would be he used one bill and changed the serial numbers and appearance for the shot. probably a CG bill (computer generated)

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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******I found a serial number that is not on the DB Cooper list.

The serial number came from the show "The SkyJacker that got away"

I believe Tom Kaye, Larry Carr and maybe Blevins was on it.

Picture attached....

Or an unaccounted for $20 slipped through the cracks of the
various accountings?

Here is Tom's version "directly from 'the' FBI documents" he
says:

So you don't waste any more time on this. Directly from the FBI
documents:

"Ransom money in the amount $200,000 was made up entirely of
used, random 20 dollar bills. It was obtained from the
Seattle-First National Bank, Main Office, and was part of a
ransom package of 250,000, which had been maintained by the
bank for such emergencies."

"The entire list of the ransom bills had previously been
microfilmed by the Seattle-First National Bank, and has now been
incorporated in a 34 page pamphlet of ransom bills."

Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

$$$,$$$.$$

The FBI was passive in this whole transaction. It was NWA who
received a "loan" and had to account for it. Apparently, from
what Tom says, the loan was for $250,000 and it was NWA on
the hook who then had to account for which bills were used and
which were not used and were being returned to Sea-First ...
with the FBI assisting in the accounting and verification?

This accounting had to agree with the claim NWA gave to its
insurance agent.

The entire list of the ransom bills given to NWA had previously
been microfilmed by the Seattle-First National Bank. As the
money was placed into bundles at the bank a new microfiche
was made of that list of bundles. The FBI was given a copy of
the bank 'bundles' microfiche in a canister. (Was $250k put into
bundles or just $200K? )

Eventually the FBI compiled a SERIAL list of the bills it said had
been part of the Cooper $200,000, probably using the bank
microfiche of the new Cooper bundles. (Tom says: "has now
been incorporated in a 34 page pamphlet of ransom bills.")

The FBI and at least two other entities would have had to have
had copies of the Sea First 'bundles' microfiche. NWA, and the
bank itself, and later NWA's insurance company and the Court!
That microfiche is evidence not just for the FBI and law
enforcement but for NWA and the bank, and then the insurance
company, and the Court - because this transaction went to trial
when the insurance company at first refused to pay!

So when Tom says the canister is lost ... what about the other
copies and canisters or duplicate paper printouts et cetera? !

Tom few lines of "Directly from the FBI documents" merely
scrapes the surface of this affair. Larry previously described it
as "making my head spin".

This is not to be critical of Tom. I am just saying there is
more to this than a few lines conveys.

More than one player had copies of the bank's 'bundles
microfiche' - in one form or another. That was mandatory for
a host of reasons. Once the matter went to Court, now more
copies are required. So, the loss of one copy/canister cannot be
all that crucial or if it is .... then we have a different kind of
problem! All Tom encountered was a loss of the microfiche at
one source only.

The picture I have is the FBI was passive in this whole matter.
They helped facilitate. The transaction was between Sea-First
and NWA. Then handed off to the FBI to give to Cooper.

Had the FBI captured Cooper at length and then found its
damned canister was missing, does anyone seriously think a
duplicate copy of the microfiche could not have been produced
quickly? Guess again!

Everything is done in triplicate!

This isn't the corner grocery store losing it's broom.

Lastly, what does RANDOM mean in this matter? Used $20s
stockpiled from countless sources ... did the bank actually
use a 'Linquist sorter' to sort the bills by serial number into
a trully random distribution. I doubt that. I think the word
random is relative in this case and the totality of socalled
'random' serial numbers comprising bundles, would not be quite
as random as one thinks, especially if no real effort was made to
randomise; like using Linguist's random sorting machine. . .
which incidently casinos in LasVegas refused to use, because
a casino depends on a non-random predictable distribution of
cards etc... a distribution skewed in favor of, the house.

Good information, Georger, thanks. Who knows - with multiple copies out there, it might still turn up.
So...though Tom doesn't talk about NWAs or court copies, etc, I don't see how Tom's account differs from Carr's in that the original list that the FBI had was of the bills ordered in the random way that they were bundled - as opposed to the alpha-numeric list they later put out that we have access to.

Which was, originally, the whole point of this conversation

Also - it seems, to me, the word "random" seems to be used in a non-statistical context - meaning non-alpha-numeric.
Not trying to parse Tom's words - he can certainly clarify if desired - that's just my take on it.

Also Tom said microfilm, you say Carr says microfiche - would microfiche come in a film canister? I thought microfiche was a flat page format? Might seem like a small thing, but if I'm looking for a film canister as opposed to a flat page of film, I might overlook that flat page of film -just thinking out loud here.....

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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microfiche is usually a card with multiple pics on them.
microfilm is in a canister similar to old school film.

to view microfilm. it's on a reel to reel source with the monitor in between. you turn the film to view.

microfiche. to view these you place the card under the light source below the monitor and can move the card to any position up down and side to side to view what is on the card.

if not mistaken microfiche was stored in boxes.....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Georger said....

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Each bundle was secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared the money was hastily gathered."

Below is what FBI agent William Baker told the Oregonian on Feb 13 1980.

Alluded to at CitizenSleuths.com

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"Baker said the money was bundled into packages of several sizes at the time of the hijacking. "to make it appear that it was randomly done, as if it was done in a hurry." Because of that the actual amount could not be estimated, he said."

Ckret Aka Larry said this on April 1, 2008 at DZ....almost verbatim

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"It is my understanding the money was wraped in rubber bands, no paper bands. the money was put together in different bill counts so it looked as if it was put together in a hurry."

It seems odd the FBI would be so forthright with the public in 1980. So early into the investigation of the Tena Bar money. Maybe because the case was old and they didn't care about divulging info.

Either Larry got his info from the newspaper or from the archive files or from Baker himself. Who knows.

BTW.....I don't know where Richard Tosaw's files are.

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microfiche is usually a card with multiple pics on them.
microfilm is in a canister similar to old school film.

to view microfilm. it's on a real to real source with the monitor in between. you turn the film to view.

microfiche. to view these you place the card under the light source below the monitor and can move the card to any position up down and side to side to view what is on the card.

if not mistaken, microfiche was stored in boxes.....

Exactly. And card = flat "page format"
So, my point, if I'm looking for a round film canister or even a box of film on a reel, I might miss a flat card.
Like I said ...just thinking out loud....been reading up on how things are stored at FBI in researching how best to present a FOIA request. Dull reading at best but I can see how something could get misplaced if it is not documented correctly.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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microfilm is in a canister similar to old school film.

From my experience, Microfilm is usually used for runs of lengthy information. Such as runs of newspapers which can be several hundred pages long.

The FBI booklet is only 34 pages and looks to be in Microfiche format.

I would think the bank might use microfiche. But the Microfilm does offer a quicker search through the pages.

Having said that...

I think the quickest way to search for the serial numbers, Alpha-Numeric or Random would be in booklet form. Easy to access, don't need a machine.

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***microfiche is usually a card with multiple pics on them.
microfilm is in a canister similar to old school film.

to view microfilm. it's on a real to real source with the monitor in between. you turn the film to view.

microfiche. to view these you place the card under the light source below the monitor and can move the card to any position up down and side to side to view what is on the card.

if not mistaken, microfiche was stored in boxes.....

Exactly. And card = flat "page format"
So, my point, if I'm looking for a round film canister or even a box of film on a reel, I might miss a flat card.
Like I said ...just thinking out loud....been reading up on how things are stored at FBI in researching how best to present a FOIA request. Dull reading at best but I can see how something could get misplaced if it is not documented correctly.


as Georger said, perhaps there are multiple copies. the insurance company would have one. the bank would have one, and the FBI and NWO would also have one. minimum of 4 copies some where in this mess.

perhaps there is a backdoor other than the FBI in finding the film.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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microfilm is in a canister similar to old school film.

From my experience, Microfilm is usually used for runs of lengthy information. Such as runs of newspapers which can be several hundred pages long.

The FBI booklet is only 34 pages and looks to be in Microfiche format.

I would think the bank might use microfiche. But the Microfilm does offer a quicker search through the pages.

Having said that...

I think the quickest way to search for the serial numbers, Alpha-Numeric or Random would be in booklet form. Easy to access, don't need a machine.

the bills could be on microfilm.......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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While I was looking for something else, I found this again - and I really did laugh out loud. I miss Farflung. He was so funny - and generally spot-on with his observations.

I know he could get caustic at times - did he get a snowjob? Meaning was he perma-banned? There was one post way back that one wrote where I actually wondered if he and snow weren't one and the same. But I think somehow I determined probably not - different style, they both posted during the same time frame, and maybe someone told me they weren't.

Anyway - hope he's doing good. Farf - if you still read the thread - let someone know you're okay!!
“Nun of the Above,” by Farflung.

Tomorrow’s Thanksgiving, today is folklore,
Last year is history, like forty before.
So stop what you’re doing, give your brain a long rest,
Hear a tale of great daring, from the Pacific Northwest.

He dressed all in black, with a long skinny tie,
He looked just like anyone, a regular guy.
He asked for a ticket, a twenty in hand,
One way to Seattle, my first name is Dan.

Off to the gate, he would blend with the crowd,
Sit and have a few smokes, back then that was allowed.
His eyes were quite dark, and filled up with hate,
Northwest just announced, his flight would be late.

It started to gust, began pouring rain,
It would only get worse, for that three engine plane.
Now chiseled in history, not some dark archive,
Is a skydive of infamy, from Flight 305.

He sat in the back, the very last row,
He gave his instructions, and wouldn’t ya know.
The Stewardess ignored them, this killed the whole plot,
She thought he was flirting, because she was hot.

He stood from his seat, took off his raincoat,
Said to her flatly, you should read that note.
All right sir she said, with an audible hiss,
It said I’ve got a bomb, come sit next to me miss.

He showed her his package, thoughts raced through her head,
What are all those things, and why are they red?
He said I’m in charge now, this is my last stand,
Get four parachutes, and two hundred grand.

She went to the galley, the note she would show,
To another Attendant, named Tina Mucklow.
She was blonde and soft spoken, and now a subplot,
Cuz Tina is gorgeous, I mean smokin’ hot.

She talked to the stranger, he said what to do,
Now go to the front, and tell all the crew.
Tina went to the cockpit, to see Captain Scott,
I hope that I mentioned, that she’s scorching hot.

Now land in Seattle, and pick up the chutes,
Tina will get them, in her Go-Go boots.
Then outside again, to pick up the money,
This also was done, by 305’s honey.

She brought him a drink, and lit up his smokes,
He sipped at the bourbon, and took a few tokes.
Now Tina was stuck, in the worst of nightmares,
When he said, OK miss now open those stairs.

She did as instructed, and did it just right,
For the pilots could see, the small flashing light.
They stared at each other, not one word was spoken,
That light said it all, the aft stairs were open.

Now Cooper just jumped, into the cold air,
The first to have used, those little known stairs.
Some blame it on Nam, or President Nixon,
The answer’s much closer, with 305’s vixen.

She turned down his money, when he offered some,
Would soon join a convent, and be a hot nun.
What can be learned, from this history and lore?
Even with two hundred grand, some guys still…just can’t score.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Exactly. And card = flat "page format"
So, my point, if I'm looking for a round film canister or even a box of film on a reel, I might miss a flat card.
Like I said ...just thinking out loud....been reading up on how things are stored at FBI in researching how best to present a FOIA request. Dull reading at best but I can see how something could get misplaced if it is not documented correctly.

as Georger said, perhaps there are multiple copies. the insurance company would have one. the bank would have one, and the FBI and NWO would also have one. minimum of 4 copies some where in this mess.

perhaps there is a backdoor other than the FBI in finding the film.

Yep, there's that.
He also mentioned the court system which - might be the best place to start since case files can be public record.
I did a very quick look in Minnesota database and didn't find anything online before 1980s - I think the case was brought in mid 70s. 1975 is when it went to MN Supreme Court as in here....http://www.leagle.com/decision/19751056225NW2d831_11023
- but I would check the lower court files for documents.

Course "usually" the online documents are case filings such as subpoenas and depositions - not sure if I've ever seen evidentiary files - but I guess it's possible. Still if someone lives in that area and wanted to go to the courthouse in their spare time

I think the legal databases like above or LN just has case decisions, not files - but I really don't know for sure -- 377 would know.
I don't mess with Lexus too much anymore because subscription became too expensive for my limited use.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Recordak System.....

The earliest large-scale commercial use of greatly reduced-size copying onto narrow rolls of film (microfilm) resulted from the introduction of the Recordak system by the Eastman Kodak Company in 1928. Continuous, automatic cameras photographed documents on 16-millimetre film, and the first use was for copying checks in bank transit or clearing work.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Recordak System.....

The earliest large-scale commercial use of greatly reduced-size copying onto narrow rolls of film (microfilm) resulted from the introduction of the Recordak system by the Eastman Kodak Company in 1928. Continuous, automatic cameras photographed documents on 16-millimetre film, and the first use was for copying checks in bank transit or clearing work.

I don't doubt it was microfilm - just saying there is one more discrepancy to add to the other million. And if you're looking for one format - you might overlook the other.

But it really shouldn't matter if there are other copies of the "original" list out there. We're just wanting the pizza, not the box it came in.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

***Recordak System.....

The earliest large-scale commercial use of greatly reduced-size copying onto narrow rolls of film (microfilm) resulted from the introduction of the Recordak system by the Eastman Kodak Company in 1928. Continuous, automatic cameras photographed documents on 16-millimetre film, and the first use was for copying checks in bank transit or clearing work.

I don't doubt it was microfilm - just saying there is one more discrepancy to add to the other million. And if you're looking for one format - you might overlook the other.

But it really shouldn't matter if there are other copies of the "original" list out there. We're just wanting the pizza, not the box it came in.


I don't doubt there is multiple formats of this. I believe the recordak does both. yes Viki is in Mn. perhaps she will chime in on this. I don't think we will get anywhere with the FOIA. they will simply use the "open case" clause and shut us out...

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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According to this website....

http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/NWA305-DBCooper.htm

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All of the ten-thousand $20 bills were photographed with a high-speed Recordak machine to create a microfilm later to be used to prepare a list of serial numbers.

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******Recordak System.....

The earliest large-scale commercial use of greatly reduced-size copying onto narrow rolls of film (microfilm) resulted from the introduction of the Recordak system by the Eastman Kodak Company in 1928. Continuous, automatic cameras photographed documents on 16-millimetre film, and the first use was for copying checks in bank transit or clearing work.

I don't doubt it was microfilm - just saying there is one more discrepancy to add to the other million. And if you're looking for one format - you might overlook the other.

But it really shouldn't matter if there are other copies of the "original" list out there. We're just wanting the pizza, not the box it came in.


I don't doubt there is multiple formats of this. I believe the recordak does both. yes Viki is in Mn. perhaps she will chime in on this. I don't think we will get anywhere with the FOIA. they will simply use the "open case" clause and shut us out...

Yeah. The FOIA is probably a long shot, but I was looking at that before we ever started talking about serial numbers. I'm probably gonna give it a shot. Hey - if everyone petitioned the government, maybe they would close the case and declassify. Yeah I know the likelihood of that - -----no response necessary.

It would be interesting to see the list if only to find that the bundles were close together on the list. That "could" point to the likelihood that the bills were contained in the bag with the other money at some point after landing and before discovery.

lol...or not.

Even if they were not listed close together on the list - we can't draw conclusions because there is no way to know in what order they were placed in the bag.
2 steps forward and three steps back.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Yeah. The FOIA is probably a long shot, but I was looking at that before we ever started talking about serial numbers. I'm probably gonna give it a shot

Yea, you can only Win if you Play! I would love to see the list.

Something I notice on the 34 pages of Serial numbers. Each page has
3 bundles of 100 twenties (if Tom Kaye is right....each bundle has 100 bills).

The Start number of the 1st Bundle and the Stop number for the 3rd bundle are already in play. First and last serial numbers on each page.

Only two small markings are needed to easily identify the remaining start/stops of the 3 bundles. In the attached example Two red dots are at the start of the 2nd and 3rd bundle.

This system might have been used with the original list.

Example using known list attached. (two red dots)

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***Recordak System.....

The earliest large-scale commercial use of greatly reduced-size copying onto narrow rolls of film (microfilm) resulted from the introduction of the Recordak system by the Eastman Kodak Company in 1928. Continuous, automatic cameras photographed documents on 16-millimetre film, and the first use was for copying checks in bank transit or clearing work.

I don't doubt it was microfilm - just saying there is one more discrepancy to add to the other million. And if you're looking for one format - you might overlook the other.

But it really shouldn't matter if there are other copies of the "original" list out there. We're just wanting the pizza, not the box it came in.

I have been using microfilm and microfiche interchangably -
obviously should not have done that given the Weber Effect
that parses everything down to the last molecule here.

I was trying to focus on key issues, not technology:

The beginning issue was 'human plant' vs ' arrived by natural
means'. Even if the Ingram bundles dont conform to anyone's
list of the original bundles, that still does not prove - human
plant!

Go ahead and circle the world 500 times only to wind up back
where you started ... still not knowing if it was a plant vs
arrived by natural means.

Say we prove someone manipulated the money. Say we find
ten $20s that arent on any SeaFirst list. That still doesnt prove
human plant ... it doesnt even prove it was Cooper manipulated
the money.

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Not too long ago Jo brought up the numbers on the hijack letter (the one that Jo thinks is code using Duane's service numbers).

Anyway, at the time I could not locate the article that had one set of code numbers but ran across it again .....From the Oregonian.....Dec 14 1971...

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but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

Not too long ago Jo brought up the numbers on the hijack letter (the one that Jo thinks is code using Duane's service numbers).

Anyway, at the time I could not locate the article that had one set of code numbers but ran across it again .....From the Oregonian.....Dec 14 1971...

This fits with how Cooper held his cigarettes while smoking.

Another "tell".

Only smoke jumpers at buDop with PKD and leg deformity
who dont fit any witness description do that!

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smokin99

Not too long ago Jo brought up the numbers on the hijack letter (the one that Jo thinks is code using Duane's service numbers).

Anyway, at the time I could not locate the article that had one set of code numbers but ran across it again .....From the Oregonian.....Dec 14 1971...

Word has just reached me that a witness on board 305 has been
interviewed and shown photos and turned thumbs down on both
KC and Duane Weber. Eg. "ears stick out way too far" etc -
Weber ... "nothing about him matches, nothing..." - KC

There is other news but Im going to let others pass it along ..

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So? We know/knew Tosaw. Read the thread.

Do you know where with whom his Cooper files are?

Well, for someone who has claimed a connection to Cook - you certainly do NOT retain you info.

When Tosaw died he had made arrangements for Galen Cook to have part of his Cooper files. Do NOT know if it included everything. Cook actually bragged about this in an email. Since then Cook has had little to say publically that I know of.

You have claimed a relationship with Cook for yrs - so HOW come YOU do not KNOW this information?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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georger

***Not too long ago Jo brought up the numbers on the hijack letter (the one that Jo thinks is code using Duane's service numbers).

Anyway, at the time I could not locate the article that had one set of code numbers but ran across it again .....From the Oregonian.....Dec 14 1971...

Word has just reached me that a witness on board 305 has been
interviewed and shown photos and turned thumbs down on both
KC and Duane Weber. Eg. "ears stick out way too far" etc -
Weber ... "nothing about him matches, nothing..." - KC

There is other news but Im going to let others pass it along ..


nothing said about LD???

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI