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Jo wrote
As I recall Jo you were found at fault. Am I remembering correctly?
Staged? By who? For what purpose?
Who was the other driver? Just exactly how did that person "stage" the collision?
You imbue everything with speculative Norjack relevance. This accident is a prime example.
I sure agree with Meyer about your tenacity. It is quite amazing.
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QuoteRemember I had a strange auto accident in 2000 right after I went public. Today it would be a staged accident - in 2000 they were not known in this laid back area.
As I recall Jo you were found at fault. Am I remembering correctly?
Staged? By who? For what purpose?
Who was the other driver? Just exactly how did that person "stage" the collision?
You imbue everything with speculative Norjack relevance. This accident is a prime example.
I sure agree with Meyer about your tenacity. It is quite amazing.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
mrshutter45 21
Feb 7, 2011, 10:02 PM
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Jo wrote:
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If I could believe Mafia was involved it would explain the accident I had in 2000 (an accident that I later believed to have been staged). Had I not have have been a cautious driver and have hesitated I would have died and if I had survived I was told I would have wished I wasn't alive. 4 inches saved my life, but left me with injuries I suffer from today - but the accident was made to look like I caused it.
Jo,
This borders on paranoia. If someone wanted you dead there are far more reliable and less traceable means to accomplish it. There have been staged accidents, but they are insurance scams, not hits. You may have been the victim of such a scam. There was a ring busted in LA in the 80s that did this numerous times using several cars to force an innocent driver into colliding with one of the scammers' cars. A sharp Highway Patrol officer figured it out.
Were you listed as being at fault in the police report?
Which is more likely:
1. Jo was actually at fault.
2. The accident was staged to make it appear that Jo was at fault?
3. Jo wasn't at fault but it appeared that she was with no staging involved?
Why not scan the police report, post it here and after doing that show us where it is in error? If it was actually staged my money is on insurance scam not a botched mafia hit.
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Jo responds:
I no longer have the report and I took the blame - as I had never had an accident before...I just accepted it, but was NOT parnoid about it. Just something that should NOT have happened when it did and how it did.
Reading Nuttall's book was reason for me to revisit my feelings about the accident... but I do not and did not dwell on it. I will admit to having a FLASH Back after reading Nuttall's book.
The injuries from that accident still plague me and will for the rest of my life. Just as the injuries from the co-pilots accident will plague him.
Post #21992 of 41882 (1212 views)
Jo wrote:
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If I could believe Mafia was involved it would explain the accident I had in 2000 (an accident that I later believed to have been staged). Had I not have have been a cautious driver and have hesitated I would have died and if I had survived I was told I would have wished I wasn't alive. 4 inches saved my life, but left me with injuries I suffer from today - but the accident was made to look like I caused it.
Jo,
This borders on paranoia. If someone wanted you dead there are far more reliable and less traceable means to accomplish it. There have been staged accidents, but they are insurance scams, not hits. You may have been the victim of such a scam. There was a ring busted in LA in the 80s that did this numerous times using several cars to force an innocent driver into colliding with one of the scammers' cars. A sharp Highway Patrol officer figured it out.
Were you listed as being at fault in the police report?
Which is more likely:
1. Jo was actually at fault.
2. The accident was staged to make it appear that Jo was at fault?
3. Jo wasn't at fault but it appeared that she was with no staging involved?
Why not scan the police report, post it here and after doing that show us where it is in error? If it was actually staged my money is on insurance scam not a botched mafia hit.
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Jo responds:
I no longer have the report and I took the blame - as I had never had an accident before...I just accepted it, but was NOT parnoid about it. Just something that should NOT have happened when it did and how it did.
Reading Nuttall's book was reason for me to revisit my feelings about the accident... but I do not and did not dwell on it. I will admit to having a FLASH Back after reading Nuttall's book.
The injuries from that accident still plague me and will for the rest of my life. Just as the injuries from the co-pilots accident will plague him.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
mrshutter45 21
"Had I not have have been a cautious driver and have hesitated I would have died "
Jo goes on to explain:
Number ONE I was NOT hit from the back. Number TWO I was at a full stop. WHY go on and on?
You are what you are - and this is getting RIDICULOUS. Also it was not a Bronco. It did have a thing on the front of it that hunters use. That is the only thing you got right.
how would you be a "cautious driver" while stopped and then get blamed for the accident????
one would think she was stopped were she wasn't supposed to be?
This would hardly be a way to silence someone.....
Jo goes on to explain:
Number ONE I was NOT hit from the back. Number TWO I was at a full stop. WHY go on and on?
You are what you are - and this is getting RIDICULOUS. Also it was not a Bronco. It did have a thing on the front of it that hunters use. That is the only thing you got right.
how would you be a "cautious driver" while stopped and then get blamed for the accident????
one would think she was stopped were she wasn't supposed to be?
This would hardly be a way to silence someone.....
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
georger 258
I sure agree with Meyer about your tenacity. It is quite amazing.
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Tenacity? Others would call it something else -
The longer the explanation: the more suspect!
But the internet is a bottomless hole of shadows and
dust. Some (we know who they are!) even claim
physics is suspended.
Yawn.
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Georger wrote
QuoteBut the internet is a bottomless hole of shadows and
dust. Some (we know who they are!) even claim
physics is suspended.
Let me know when I can use a gravity shield instead of a parachute.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteGeorger wrote
QuoteBut the internet is a bottomless hole of shadows and
dust. Some (we know who they are!) even claim
physics is suspended.
Let me know when I can use a gravity shield instead of a parachute.
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well then, you wouldn't have the thrill (terror) of
acceleration and free fall at a terminal v. ... ?
Infants have a basic instinct about 'falling'. Its
pre-programmed in neurology (cortex~medulla).
Skydivers and others learn to control that basic
instinct by transference to other deep instincts.
Cooper?
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Quotewell then, you wouldn't have the thrill (terror) of
acceleration and free fall at a terminal v. ... ?
I'll ask Snowmman to build a shield modulator. Dial up any gravity you want from zero to full force.
He might use his for extreme ice climbing and perhaps for lifting HF beam antennas to great heights without the need for a tower.
Georger, what would you use yours for?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Jo,
You promised us you would blow things wide open with a blockbuster public disclosure if the FBI failed to act on info you supplied them.
Is it another broken tease-promise or are you going to deliver?
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You promised us you would blow things wide open with a blockbuster public disclosure if the FBI failed to act on info you supplied them.
Is it another broken tease-promise or are you going to deliver?
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
U guys take everything out of context. I only noted that the accident happened at a convenient or inconvenient time. Staged - before it was known what individuals did to collect auto insurance. I do NOT remember the proper name for this illegal thing - but, it actually started in FLA. They cause an unavoidable accident - to make it appear the other person is at fault and collect their booty and move on.QuoteJo wrote
QuoteRemember I had a strange auto accident in 2000 right after I went public. Today it would be a staged accident - in 2000 they were not known in this laid back area.
As I recall Jo you were found at fault. Am I remembering correctly?
Staged? By who? For what purpose?
Who was the other driver? Just exactly how did that person "stage" the collision?
You imbue everything with speculative Norjack relevance. This accident is a prime example.
I sure agree with Meyer about your tenacity. It is quite amazing.
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Why the insurance rates are so high in FL. It was an insurance scam. It was not until yrs later this was publicized and I believed it was staged at the time, but the law was on their side. They time the hit and the location of the hit - so it looks like the innocent party caused the accident.
See what I mean - I can't say anything here any more without some CREEP making it the worst case senarior.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Greetings All,
I've had two converstaions this week with a copycat, Robb Dolin Heady. The interview is posted at the Mountain News:
http://themountainnewswa.net/2013/03/28/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-an-interview-with-a-so-called-cooper-copycat-skyjacker-robb-dolin-heady/
Thanks to Snowmman for helping set it up.
I'm trying to talk wiith Martin McNally as well. He got out of prison in 2010.
I've had two converstaions this week with a copycat, Robb Dolin Heady. The interview is posted at the Mountain News:
http://themountainnewswa.net/2013/03/28/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-an-interview-with-a-so-called-cooper-copycat-skyjacker-robb-dolin-heady/
Thanks to Snowmman for helping set it up.
I'm trying to talk wiith Martin McNally as well. He got out of prison in 2010.
mrshutter45 21
Beep, Beep, Beep is the sound made when backing up.......
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Maybe your case for Weber being Cooper has some merit. But there's a problem here. It has no organization.
Jo States:
This has been a problem, but to find someone who KNOWS the case and knows the myths created and the truths told - impossible! NO one could put the story about Cooper-Weber in an orderly fashion. Someone from my area - it would take yrs of reading for them to cipher thur all of the mistruths and things said about Cooper that are not true. The media created allusions and falsehoods regarding Cooper...Even the FBI is unable to do this - money and man power are in the way and now the lost of witnesses and 41 yrs has expired.
The media and the FBI was the one ALL over the place.
Over the last 17 yrs I have presented pics and information and even I can't remember it all. I hope the FBI is doing what I was told "a team" is working on the Cooper case. What was meant by that I do not know. Perhaps they meant the Cooper Sleuths we all know - but, their own information is all over the place. Too, many theories and little facts known to them.
This thread has been my way to hopefully being heard and hope some of the things someone more astute than myself has been able to cipher thru them and put it infront of the FBI.
There is NO orderly way I could ever commuticate the things I have told and tried to tell in this thread and in other places. I thought the important things I had sent to the FBI, but I never knew if ANYONE even read them or if they were even received. I expect the mouthpiece just deleted them and the agent of record never saw them.
I still believe anything I ever sent to the FBI went to a delete file. WHY I tell most of what I know in this thread, so someday maybe someone will finally GET IT!
Over the yrs those who could have helped have passed away - so there is NO one to talk to and those that are still alive where children in the 60's and 70's who remembered very little.
One young man became a troubled adult & I could not continue to pic his brain. The damage I was creating on top of the damage already done by people who should have loved him and molded him - was wrong and I had to ask myself - what would I do if he had been my child. Hopefully he has worked thru his problems and has been able to put the past out of site and out of mind. He was a young man I would have been proud to call my SON.,. and I still look at the picture he sent me of his wife and wonderful family and wish they were my own son.
The decision was made - LET GO!
It was hard letting go & I often wonder what has happened to him & his family. He found ME thru this forum many yrs ago. I will never forget the first time we talked - rather he talked.
I hardly said anything to him - I just let him spill his guts and his heart out to me. Later I would push him too hard for memories, but it was too much stress for him.
This was the source of the "tie story" and the place from which it was taken and from whom it was taken. I was able to actually verify the story thru another member of the family - just a story told many times thru the yrs after Duane was no longer a part of the family.
The FBI has pictures of Weber - if the MOUTHPIECE or the FILTERS ever gave them to the agent of record.
Short review - impossible for me or anyone exposed to the multiple stories and falsehoods injected by so many.
One cannot organize a 73 yr old brain - all I can do to stay functional and why I have let go of some much lately. Perhaps some of you have noted my posts are more to the point and pretty damn specific. I do NOT worry about whose feelings I hurt and just say what has to be said.
The list was just a rambling of memories and things others have noted about WEBER.
1. He was UNPREDICTABLE
2. No one ever knew what to expect from Weber.
3. He was a loving caring person, but within him was this monster and a person I saw only twice.
4. He could even be child-like at times and often was.
5. When he was sad - one would never know it - I did not see this even in the end.
6. He never felt sorry for himself.
7. He accepted his life.
How did the man with the past I have learned about become the man he did? How did he manage to keep the prison records secret all of those yrs.
If a man could keep those secrets in a 17 yr marriage - what other secrets did he keep?
What was within this man that made him do the things he did and who was this man I spent 17 yrs with? I still don't know & I may never know.
I do KNOW he was involved in the skyjacking and per his own words "I'm Dannn Coooper". I do have a feeling he was NOT alone and if the things he said are true he was NOT alone. Remember he told me his life's story in 3rd person.
Twice in WA he mentioned something that could indicate anothers involvement....
One place commented "That's were Cooper walked out of the wood" - and quickly recovered with "maybe I was the man on the ground". I only had a vague memory of Cooper - as the jump was in 1971 and the yr was 1979, so I had NOT completely eradicated my data base of Cooper. It meant NOTHING to me.
I would not give it anymore thought until the money showed up - but, I NEVER got to read the article & MY mind did NOT go back to his statement in WA.
He made SURE I didn't see a TV program & then he left the area & only came back for my daughter's graduation.
When he was sure I had not connected the money find with his statement or the trip - he made arrangements for us to be with him in AL.
GOD - How NAIVE I was!
Cooper would NOT be mentioned again until 1995 when he said "I'm Dan Cooper!" At that time any memory I had of the situation was just not there and I never associated D. B. Cooper until 1 yr and 2 months later.
Those who live in the N.W. would immediately have made the connection - but remember that is why he came back to the South. Nothing in the papers every annniversary - he was safe here in the south. No one connected this insurance salesman with Cooper or someone being a jumper. He was very figgety when Tommy Gunn shouted out JOHN in the BELL AIRE Mall in Mobile Al in 1981.
The FBI I do NOT believe even interviewed this TOMMY GUNN and I would like to know WHY since the man basically threatened me when I contacted him about what Duane told me.
I contacted Tommy during those first few months after I found out who Dan Cooper was. How can I ever forget what the man said to me and WHY did the FBI not at least tell me what they knew about his man and how he knew Duane as John. The man lived a little over 1 hr from me. If he was dangerous was the FBI not putting me in jeopardy by NOT letting me know something about this man.
Remember I had a strange auto accident in 2000 right after I went public. Today it would be a staged accident - in 2000 they were not known in this laid back area.
Oh WELL, such is life. I still live with those injuries - only 3 inches saved my life - 12 broken bones.
I was told if I had NOT moved forward those 3 inches If had I survived I would have wished I hadn't. I do have an eye that is droopy from the accident, but I can't do anything about it - might cause even more problems so I just tape the sucker up with I get tired.
Almost for got the other time he mention a person in the area was when He told me he used to know a man who lived at a specific place. This man WAS a jumper! I now know the name of the man - but for some reason NO one - NOT even the FBI or Mr. H was interested in the name of this man. I only in the last few months learned the name of the man - and things that occured after I went public in 2000. The man tried to get amnesty of something like that - but the thing is NO ONE knew what he had to tell the FBI about Cooper.
YOU guys knew I kept saying a name - sound alikes. Well, when I was told this man's name I freaked. Someone posted or sent me an obituary on this man in the last few yrs in this thread, but I can't find it just like I can't find a picture of 2 Boeing employees sitting on a couch.
The man's first name didn't mean anything to me until the name came back at me a few months ago - a person who actually spoke to me on the phone pronouced the name and told me the name most called him instead of the odd sounding first name he had. THIS IS WHEN I freaked, but did not let the caller know something had clicked for me.
I still think it was Georger who posted that obit, but I can't find it. NOR the picture of 2 Boeing employees sitting on a couch.
Now both of these things are important. Himmelsbach was even involved in the man whose obit was reported in this thread, but did NOT know that until a few months ago.
SEE LOTS happens U guys are NOT informed of - do they mean anything - probably not to any of you other than the ones who made the posts & myself. ONLY one person figured out who I was talking about - and sent me a PM or email or made a post with an obituary. Just seeing the name did NOT grab me, but then a few yrs later the name being SPOKE to me and the sound of the name a name most people called him - it hit me hard.
The big article on me in WA was in 2001. THis person tried after that to make his story known, but without telling it specifically. THose who did NOT really know his story (he was as secretive as Duane) then tried to make something else out of what his secret was....he died I believe in 2004. WHY could the FBI not have let this man tell his story without retailation I do not know.
What was his involvement? Was it after the fact or from the onset and if so which one actually jumped? Well, because Weber was NOT known in the area - and the nightmare and the confession - he was the jumper.
Was the other person contacted afterwards - and not part of a plan. Someone Duane knew and Duane was in trouble - someone he knew he could trust? What connected these two men? How were these 2 men connected?
The truth died with the 2 of them.
When the article ran in WA in 2001 Margie got lots of calls. She did tell me vaguely about a few of them and some she gave me a little information on. I wish she had kept all of the contacts she received on the story - but even I would not have known what was relevent or not.
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