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I wish the FBI would let me examine the Amboy chute. I'll be up in the Seattle area for a trial in late April. Wish I had a good FBI connection.
Looks to me like the canopy wasn't completely extracted from the burial site. The connecting hardware on the ends of the risers would tell me a lot about the kind of rig it was attached to.
I don't think it was DBCs chute because of the age and type, but I can't rule it out. It would be INSANE to have packed a twill (non ripstop) canopy in an emergency bailout rig in 1971.
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Looks to me like the canopy wasn't completely extracted from the burial site. The connecting hardware on the ends of the risers would tell me a lot about the kind of rig it was attached to.
I don't think it was DBCs chute because of the age and type, but I can't rule it out. It would be INSANE to have packed a twill (non ripstop) canopy in an emergency bailout rig in 1971.
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QuoteI wish the FBI would let me examine the Amboy chute. I'll be up in the Seattle area for a trial in late April. Wish I had a good FBI connection.
Looks to me like the canopy wasn't completely extracted from the burial site. The connecting hardware on the ends of the risers would tell me a lot about the kind of rig it was attached to.
I don't think it was DBCs chute because of the age and type, but I can't rule it out. It would be INSANE to have packed a twill (non ripstop) canopy in an emergency bailout rig in 1971.
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don't see any hardware on it.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAW80de3EUk
"I don't think it was DBCs chute because of the age and type, but I can't rule it out. It would be INSANE to have packed a twill (non ripstop) canopy in an emergency bailout rig in 1971."
who really knows what they packed in the container? maybe they put it in the container hoping it would fail? just a thought....
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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" Finding a buried chute two miles off the flight path "
hold up them horses fella, it's a little more than two miles.
this is all in it's infant stage, no need to jump thru hoops yet...
hold up them horses fella, it's a little more than two miles.
this is all in it's infant stage, no need to jump thru hoops yet...
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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QuoteQuote" Finding a buried chute two miles off the flight path "
hold up them horses fella, it's a little more than two miles.
this is all in it's infant stage, no need to jump thru hoops yet...
Your investigation into the chute is in the infant stage. I started checking out the FBI's story on it more than a year ago...
not talking about you, or what you have done......
other people are involved here, not just DZ news reporters!
This is one of the main factors why things don't get posted
here....
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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QuoteCome on. Out of nearly 500 illustrated articles I've done at Newsvine, less than seven are even Cooper-related.
I think 377's opinion on possible drift might be welcome here.
was talking about spreading misinformation. I posted this only
after talking with someone, I am aware of what you have done
I have looked into this years back, but never had coords.
this is news to a lot of peeps, so I believe this calls for the
"Infant Stage" no?
let things soak in a little......
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
With NO markers and not being able to move into this site - I cannot make heads or tails out of the map of the Amboy area.
I can see the shape of the road and how they turn - and if I am right they match my blk and wht with the angles of the road.
NO IDEA how to read that damn map. HELP!
I can see the shape of the road and how they turn - and if I am right they match my blk and wht with the angles of the road.
NO IDEA how to read that damn map. HELP!
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QuoteGeorger, is the the site you are looking for?
I bookmarked it a long time ago?
http://www.wheredidithappen.com/current_events.php?pageNum_get_currentevent=3
All developed and I can't find the rails - do NOT even know what I am looking at. CAN some one mark a map of the site where the chute was found and give me the names of the roads so I can find it on my old bk and wht maps? My mind wants to think the location he buried something behind a shed where there used to be a tower - is much further South than near Amboy.
I am not a judge of distance unless I am there and moving about of my own free will. After 30 plus yrs - this is impossible unless I have old maps before the developement.
If anyone has the capabilities of marking the site on a blk and wht simple ground map - please do so. Just something I have to explore. I will note the dam is very close to all of this - he told me about dam with a light you could see from a long way. I always felt if he was able to see anything from the air it would be the light on this damn - but I do NOT even know what DAM I am seeing on that pic. Aerials make everything seem so close...very confusing to someone who has spent their life on the ground and not in the air. I do not have wings and my memory does not have wings.
I just want to find where that damn tower and shed used to be even if it means diddle squat to anyone else. I just want to put actual locations with my memories of the things he showed me. The furtherst N. we went in this area was just above Amboy where the airstip was to the North East of Amboy...and then he looped me back....but he did NOT even use a map and all I have is my memory....which is scrambled and doesn't count for anything at this time.
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Jo, I posted the points to where the chute is supposed to be.
look at this map again, note the red dot beside the writing of the
2010 mark. that is the position.....
sorry, better map here
look at this map again, note the red dot beside the writing of the
2010 mark. that is the position.....
sorry, better map here
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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this should help you some Jo
see photo
see photo
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
QuoteI wish the FBI would let me examine the Amboy chute. I'll be up in the Seattle area for a trial in late April. Wish I had a good FBI connection.
Looks to me like the canopy wasn't completely extracted from the burial site. The connecting hardware on the ends of the risers would tell me a lot about the kind of rig it was attached to.
I don't think it was DBCs chute because of the age and type, but I can't rule it out. It would be INSANE to have packed a twill (non ripstop) canopy in an emergency bailout rig in 1971.
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Remember the DUMMY pac Cooper either used or took with him. Since it was Dummy it would have been packed with old JUNK! Am I right or wrong - THAT is the only thing that makes sense if the ID on the chute was correct.
Considering the person who examined the chute - has told several different stories and his credibility has been question - WHY I make that statement. We do NOT know what happened to the Dummy chute or what it consisted of. The Dummy was a front pac, right? This means it would only have been used if the Back Chute didn't work. Right?
Remember I have never be close to a chute except at the museum and it was still packed.
As for open chutes - all I have ever seen is pictures.
Excuse the DUMB ole lady question? If Cooper took the Dummy or threw it out of the plane before he jumped - where might it be? Doubt he threw it out! Doubt he had enough time to repack the money into the Dummy and then lace it back up.
Bet he used it when he got to the ground - protection from the elements...guess it could have acted as a rain and wind barrier.
I don't know. The question are for u 377 not for Blevins!
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QuoteHow the heck would I know what Cooper did with the dummy chute anyway...
I have downloaded a PDF version of the 1971 Amboy USGS service map. Anyone who wants a copy must email me about it, and you need email that can handle downloads over 15mb, Gmail works. I also converted it to a JPEG image in full size at 300 pixels and 150 pixels per inch. For printing.
adventurebooksofseattleAT G Frickin Mail Dot Com
You could try this place at USGS for Amboy, too.
Robert, if not mistaken, that map plus many more are on Sluggo's site......
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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here are some pics of Dummy Chutes, need some replies
from the jumpers on what is inside......
one on ebay is stuffed with rubber...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-10R-Dummy-Reserve-Parachute-/130847092325
from the jumpers on what is inside......
one on ebay is stuffed with rubber...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-10R-Dummy-Reserve-Parachute-/130847092325
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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QuoteOh, I'm sure he has the map there, along with the others. I wanted one converted to 300 pixels for hi-def printing. So I just did it from the original PDF at USGS. No big deal. I may re-convert and blow it up bigger than the 29x22 inch or so original. In that case, email would be impossible, since it would run like 150mb. But then you can print up sections and get a map the size of your desk. I love playing with images.
Gotta have something to do with all that software, besides the usual.
I did get the simulator back up and running, I chickened out and got a
Gforce GT 640 2 gig video card which works great on the system.
I'll be back in the air for testing by tomorrow
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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QuoteMy best wishes to Amazon as well.
MeyerLouie says in part:Quote'I'm still not done with this one, Blevins. You found out after 5 minutes of idle chatter with your video participants at Ariel this past November where the Amboy chute was located? That's total crap, Blevins...'
I replied last night to your post, then I deleted it five minutes later. I decided to think about things and the main reason is because I have upcoming business with these folks. (Not the property owners where chute was found, but people who told me who they were) As I said, trust is a long-gone thing around here lately. I.E. I don't trust some of the participants. Others, I do. I have what I believe are pretty good reasons for this attitude.
The only thing I was wrong about was my assumption that 'everyone in the Ariel/Amboy area who is a Cooper fan' knows where the chute was found. I found out so easily that I thought everyone knew. Now it turns out it was probably by accident anyway. This is how:
While I was doing the Ariel video, one of the questions I asked several people was A) Whether they had heard of the chute found in Amboy (most said yes) and B) If they believed it belonged to Cooper (answers varied on that)
So...I run into this nice couple outside. Gentleman was in his 60's, cowboy hat, black cowboy shirt, wearing a silver string tie. Wife, slightly younger and very pretty brunette. I was talking to them off-camera. They had just showed up. I asked them rather casually about the chute. The woman says they know the people whose property was dug up, and gave me their name. At the time, I didn't really think it was a big deal because I had no plans to go and see these chute people anyway. Later, I interviewed the woman for the video. She appears at the 38:53 mark. Maybe they were wrong, but both told me they were long-term residents of the area and actually knew these people. And there ARE people in the Amboy area who know where the chute was found. The family whose property was dug up also have school-age kids. I have seen some postings at Facebook from some kids on the subject, although that was a while ago and none gave the exact location. But it was obvious that it was getting around the school a bit. Understand though, I didn't really care about the location because I had no plans to try and drive down and ask to do additional digging.
The business end of things: There was something special about their whole lifestyle, something almost unbelievably remarkable...so much so that I had more of an interest in that, rather than anything about the chute. It has to do with what they do for a living. In fact, I gave them my business card and I'm planning a book about them this summer. It is NOT Cooper-related, but trust me...their story is unique.
They also attend Ariel each year, so you could ask them yourself. The husband appears briefly dancing with the wife later in the video, just after I interview the Hawaiian guy with the short, spiky hair.
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I talked to several people who thought they knew where the Amboy chute was found, but their descriptions and directions did not work out, as I said earlier. I believe every single one of these folks had good intentions -- they truly meant to be helpful, but for naught.
I remember the Ariel couple you mentioned -- very interesting people, I enjoyed talking to them. But again, just because they say they know does not convince they really know. They'd have to take me there and actually show me before I will truly believe them -- that's the doubting Thomas I have become -- after going on a wild goose chase or two in Amboy. I'm done talking about this.
MeyerLouie
I will repeat (for once): I just think its a little strange
if someone thinks Amboy is where Cooper landed,
then its weird to sign on immediately to JT's search in
the wrong place, ? Why waste the time?
To be correct: I never said I knew where the
Amboy chute find was. What I said (its in the thread) was, there were several newspaper articles following the announcement of the find, both articles had photos. Then a third article appeared with a small Google map of the general area. I know I saved the Google map and can share it again. I think I also saved the photos showing the road into the field where the chute was found, just off the edge of the road the owner was making-widening. One of the photos has the owner and one of his children in it. Problem is: when I went back later to try and find those articles with photos, I could not find them and I did a long search. I found that a bit strange. Maybe the articles were taken down? Or, maybe those articles are still out there for Snowmman or Smokin99 to find? I just don't know.
I will look tomorrow for the photos if I saved them.
One of those original articles (for whoever might
search) is rather long - at least two pages. It not only explained the find and had several photos, it also contained the comments of several locals and an aviation historian trying to account for who might have left the chute.
Let me see what I can find tomorrow or the next day.
But I know I have the map and I seem to remember I sent Bruce (or someone) a copy of it long ago?
ps: here's one of the maps taken straight from one of the articles. Turns out I have another map that was published which has gps coordinates on it! Do I post it too? The map attached may be one of the maps I gave Bruce ??? I think it was Bruce ???
if someone thinks Amboy is where Cooper landed,
then its weird to sign on immediately to JT's search in
the wrong place, ? Why waste the time?
To be correct: I never said I knew where the
Amboy chute find was. What I said (its in the thread) was, there were several newspaper articles following the announcement of the find, both articles had photos. Then a third article appeared with a small Google map of the general area. I know I saved the Google map and can share it again. I think I also saved the photos showing the road into the field where the chute was found, just off the edge of the road the owner was making-widening. One of the photos has the owner and one of his children in it. Problem is: when I went back later to try and find those articles with photos, I could not find them and I did a long search. I found that a bit strange. Maybe the articles were taken down? Or, maybe those articles are still out there for Snowmman or Smokin99 to find? I just don't know.
I will look tomorrow for the photos if I saved them.
One of those original articles (for whoever might
search) is rather long - at least two pages. It not only explained the find and had several photos, it also contained the comments of several locals and an aviation historian trying to account for who might have left the chute.
Let me see what I can find tomorrow or the next day.
But I know I have the map and I seem to remember I sent Bruce (or someone) a copy of it long ago?
ps: here's one of the maps taken straight from one of the articles. Turns out I have another map that was published which has gps coordinates on it! Do I post it too? The map attached may be one of the maps I gave Bruce ??? I think it was Bruce ???
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Georger:
Like Bruce said earlier, signing up for JT's search and hanging out with other Cooper sleuths is our idea of a good time. It'll be great to get into the woods again, we'll make new friends, and it'll be good exercise. Why not? That's my only motivation.
I didn't necessarily believe the Amboy chute was Cooper's. There was a lot of discussion about the topic back then, so I thought it'd be just fun to drive down to Amboy and check things out. It was a good time.
If you read Bruce's DZ post right before we left for Amboy, he asked if anyone knew the exact location of the Amboy chute -- he didn't know. So, I'm thinking he probably didn't have the maps either, since he didn't know the location. Right Bruce?
MeyerLoue
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"I didn't necessarily believe the Amboy chute was Cooper's."
These are the thoughts of many, I am very skeptical about the chute.
all stones must be unturned before moving forward........
These are the thoughts of many, I am very skeptical about the chute.
all stones must be unturned before moving forward........
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
I have been going over the flight path - the marker and the things Duane pointed out to me. I argued the flight path was off.
It is 2 miles off at the Toledo point....North East, South and West.
The path is off also in its placement on the map. No one accounted for the missing 1 or 2 minutes - the flight path is off in the North and South Placement. How many miles is that? Put the flight path on a plastic shield and then move its position just a little North and a little to the east. Move that flight path a little East and North.
ONE minute is several miles. This means the curve to the East happened just before or after Amboy. Witness reports
put that plane to EAST of Ariel and in the Chelatchie Area.
The Co pilot put the plane to the EAST of certain designation. He had not flown that route before.
I have my left eye taped open and my left arm hurts. The eye has been a problem that has gotten worse over the last couple of yrs. Nothing to worry about.
I knew Duane's temper and I knew it well. I know what he did understress. If he realized the front pack was a dummy he raged. He threw things. Ripped things up. The placard may have come loose when the Aft stairs went down.
Move the fricking path - 2 miles to the EAST and North. How much time is that? One Minute or less?
I do not know how much the winds at that time factored in but do not think it would account for 2 miles - a fricking 2 miles. I have never understood the wind factor and which direction he drifted. We do NOT know how long he went into freefall - the count down - Miss 1, miss 2 and do not know what the rule of thumb was for a pull. Look in Spokane.
I remembered Duane talking about this count down, but not the circumstance or when this conversation took place.
Senario:
He threw things out before he went down the aft stairs hoping to see a land mark. Note the two Paralled power lines - something he stressed to me in 1979....but not as part of "other" things he had mentioned earlier that day.
The Grist Mill/ cemetary and place card are not mentioned until we were going up the interstate later that after noon. He had probably read about the finding of these items.
Duane threw things when he was mad.I have a feeling this rage is part of the secrets Tina holds.
The currents pulled these items in a circular motion - they get caught in up drafts or down drafts. Question what the hell did he do with the briefcase - did he dump that or hold on to it - it had his prints all over it?
He is on the lower part of the AFT Stairs hoping to see a land mark - he doesn't let go until he sees something - perhaps only a reflection of light below the clouds. He knew were the paralled power lines where - he knew where all of the major lines where located and where they intersected. Towers and airports and cemetaries. ODD how or why he pointed out every cemetary and gravel pit and airstip. Does NOT anyone other than myself find that ODD? "we flew out of" who is WE?
He goes for it and the aft stairs makes the pressure bump. Remember I have spoke of Gantham Rd. /Fargher air strip in the past. The winds carry him - perhaps a gust pulled him north for a few moments
3 to 5 fricking miles to the EAST -The Plane was further EAST as it went South. He lets go some where below Fargher and the other airstip to the East of there.
Wind pulls him even further to the EAST. Once he orients himself he is on the move in the dark of the night.
I am trying to say take the flight path and move it to the north and the landing site is dead on ... one fricking minute.
I wish I had some clear plastic to sketch the flight path on and then put it push it north and east... by ONE ficking minute and then you will know why I have fought this battle so hard.
The fight path is off by ONE FRICKING minute. Move the flight path up and to the east and it supports the witness testimonies. NO one from the other locations ever tried to contact me. Every sitings I have is EAST of where this map puts the plane. ONE FRICKING MINUTE!
Someone lost a minute - how much difference does one minute make? Sounds like there are individuals that deliberately altered the path time...why? Perhaps they OVER analyzed things! If one is going to move it with time - go both ways. Relay time / actual time / - hell it was a skyjacking! I know someone explained this before - I still say ONE minute. The original path and the new path - one minute is all that separates them and because of the curves the plane made - it sure as hell changes possible landing area.
If they moved it just right - you could put Cooper in a volcano! Well, almost - was that what the co-pilot was thinking - remember they let him make decisions and he really wanted to dump Cooper.
If someone is holding gun to your head - and you have a chance to get him first - wouldn't you do the same thing?
It is 2 miles off at the Toledo point....North East, South and West.
The path is off also in its placement on the map. No one accounted for the missing 1 or 2 minutes - the flight path is off in the North and South Placement. How many miles is that? Put the flight path on a plastic shield and then move its position just a little North and a little to the east. Move that flight path a little East and North.
ONE minute is several miles. This means the curve to the East happened just before or after Amboy. Witness reports
put that plane to EAST of Ariel and in the Chelatchie Area.
The Co pilot put the plane to the EAST of certain designation. He had not flown that route before.
I have my left eye taped open and my left arm hurts. The eye has been a problem that has gotten worse over the last couple of yrs. Nothing to worry about.
I knew Duane's temper and I knew it well. I know what he did understress. If he realized the front pack was a dummy he raged. He threw things. Ripped things up. The placard may have come loose when the Aft stairs went down.
Move the fricking path - 2 miles to the EAST and North. How much time is that? One Minute or less?
I do not know how much the winds at that time factored in but do not think it would account for 2 miles - a fricking 2 miles. I have never understood the wind factor and which direction he drifted. We do NOT know how long he went into freefall - the count down - Miss 1, miss 2 and do not know what the rule of thumb was for a pull. Look in Spokane.
I remembered Duane talking about this count down, but not the circumstance or when this conversation took place.
Senario:
He threw things out before he went down the aft stairs hoping to see a land mark. Note the two Paralled power lines - something he stressed to me in 1979....but not as part of "other" things he had mentioned earlier that day.
The Grist Mill/ cemetary and place card are not mentioned until we were going up the interstate later that after noon. He had probably read about the finding of these items.
Duane threw things when he was mad.I have a feeling this rage is part of the secrets Tina holds.
The currents pulled these items in a circular motion - they get caught in up drafts or down drafts. Question what the hell did he do with the briefcase - did he dump that or hold on to it - it had his prints all over it?
He is on the lower part of the AFT Stairs hoping to see a land mark - he doesn't let go until he sees something - perhaps only a reflection of light below the clouds. He knew were the paralled power lines where - he knew where all of the major lines where located and where they intersected. Towers and airports and cemetaries. ODD how or why he pointed out every cemetary and gravel pit and airstip. Does NOT anyone other than myself find that ODD? "we flew out of" who is WE?
He goes for it and the aft stairs makes the pressure bump. Remember I have spoke of Gantham Rd. /Fargher air strip in the past. The winds carry him - perhaps a gust pulled him north for a few moments
3 to 5 fricking miles to the EAST -The Plane was further EAST as it went South. He lets go some where below Fargher and the other airstip to the East of there.
Wind pulls him even further to the EAST. Once he orients himself he is on the move in the dark of the night.
I am trying to say take the flight path and move it to the north and the landing site is dead on ... one fricking minute.
I wish I had some clear plastic to sketch the flight path on and then put it push it north and east... by ONE ficking minute and then you will know why I have fought this battle so hard.
The fight path is off by ONE FRICKING minute. Move the flight path up and to the east and it supports the witness testimonies. NO one from the other locations ever tried to contact me. Every sitings I have is EAST of where this map puts the plane. ONE FRICKING MINUTE!
Someone lost a minute - how much difference does one minute make? Sounds like there are individuals that deliberately altered the path time...why? Perhaps they OVER analyzed things! If one is going to move it with time - go both ways. Relay time / actual time / - hell it was a skyjacking! I know someone explained this before - I still say ONE minute. The original path and the new path - one minute is all that separates them and because of the curves the plane made - it sure as hell changes possible landing area.
If they moved it just right - you could put Cooper in a volcano! Well, almost - was that what the co-pilot was thinking - remember they let him make decisions and he really wanted to dump Cooper.
If someone is holding gun to your head - and you have a chance to get him first - wouldn't you do the same thing?
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QuoteQuote"I didn't necessarily believe the Amboy chute was Cooper's."
These are the thoughts of many, I am very skeptical about the chute.
all stones must be unturned before moving forward........
Believe it or not, I am of the same thought regarding the chute. I just had some real problems with the way it was investigated by the Seattle FBI. Still do. Quickie points:
1) Sea/FBI says no markings on the chute. Later, they retract. Points to offhand investigation perhaps.
2) They say they think it's from a Dec 1945 jump, but chute was made later, according to DOM tag.
3) They accepted (and went public with) Cossey's silk-not-nylon story with no named outside confirmation.
4) Suddenly announced they would no longer discuss the chute.
5) These things do not generate confidence in their conclusions regarding the chute.
Just saying.
just some advice Robert, tone down a bit about what you know, and what you think you know.
I don't know everything, nor do I present it that way, lots of people look at you as trying to be
on top! no body is on top here, but, they do listen to valid information, some is right, some is
wrong. don't try to be an expert, or come off as one!
Lets go thru some evidence, evaluate it and discuss it, most people will respond better that way.
no need to contact the FBI on every theory that comes on the thread. just a thought in order to
try and get things rolling????
I would like to see more posters on here..........
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Quotehere are some pics of Dummy Chutes, need some replies
from the jumpers on what is inside......
one on ebay is stuffed with rubber...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-10R-Dummy-Reserve-Parachute-/130847092325
Could be almost anything...
Was usually an old POS chute or rags, the idea was to use it as a 'training aid'.
It would have had the size, shape & weight of a normal front mounted reserve with the exception that it was probably sewn shut, or rigged in a manner NOT to open.
They were used to train people how to pull the ripcord...the ripcord would come out as on a 'normal' parachute but the container itself wouldn't flop open allowing the contents to spill out...taking time to 're-pack' for the next drill.
Most I've seen were placarded with huge lettering "FOR TRAINING USE ONLY" or "TRAINING AID" or "DO NOT JUMP"
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
I have thought about this for a long time. Sluggo did work with me but like myself - he was taking the things I said at face value. He offered to go with me on my trip to WA., but it was something I HAD TO DO ALONE.
I knew I had be alone with my thought, but I did get lost a lot times wondering around by myself, but it turned out to be a good thing. Someone else driving or distracting me - I would NOT have been a soul mode and I would have been distracted. I needed to follow my gut and to make my own decisions. I am glad I did it this way.
To night when viewing all of the map he made for me - the are as pristine as the day he gave them to me, but he like myseld was focusing on WHAT I believe when I went out there.
The realization of TIME and Space - it just happned, but I was out of time and money and have not been able to go back.
Since then I have had 3 surgeries, but I have never gained backy my stamina, meaning the next trip has to be the last if I even can figure out how to do it.
Right now I believe I could go to the area he took me where the circle was and I am sure it has been developed. I have 2 places I really need to go, but I know if there is someone with me it will shut me down. Alone I am able to flow with my memories and turnaround and go back and do it again - or step away and go get something to eat and try it again another way. Bruce will tell you that I am no timid about knocking on doors. People seem to be pretty receptive to old women at their door - even if she does come across a little luney.
I mistakenly thought Sluggo was putting the flight path goind over Tena's bar - that is NOT what happened. I studied all of the pages - he stayed East of
Vancouver and did Non take the plane Over Tena's bar as other had suggested. I do disagree on that one minute - because I do not see it in real time.
One minute and he was right there - but I didn't realize where this site was then. NOW I desperately need to go back and I need to go over the area in a small plane along the route of witnesses and the back over that same route the way the pilot thinks it was done. Need to be done about the same time of day.
Might need one of those young Wa guys to pull me in a chinese buggs, because I want to to where I think Weber wen. Thing CHange, but if you know a person you might see what he would have done. I would not be able to move as fast as cooper and why I need a strong young man to pull me in an open light way shaw. I believe I can target his shelter as he made his way to saftey. THEN I have to commit a crime on the second nigjht I have to steal a boat and go back the PDX. There won't be an old building there , but maybe the ownaer will allow us to stay for a while and what and where he could have gone to see the things hs hew.
TWO (2) places I need to be along for a part of the night. There is a place in the "Dalles I hav to go to." I want to take asteem boat up the rifer.
Then to Spokane where I heed to see wha hedidn therel Article with pic need t be ruj with his jamelll
Hope I iw find whag ai am lookin for ther is ayoun man in prison out there I woan;t to spend so time wit.
I need to go to on the river.
I knew I had be alone with my thought, but I did get lost a lot times wondering around by myself, but it turned out to be a good thing. Someone else driving or distracting me - I would NOT have been a soul mode and I would have been distracted. I needed to follow my gut and to make my own decisions. I am glad I did it this way.
To night when viewing all of the map he made for me - the are as pristine as the day he gave them to me, but he like myseld was focusing on WHAT I believe when I went out there.
The realization of TIME and Space - it just happned, but I was out of time and money and have not been able to go back.
Since then I have had 3 surgeries, but I have never gained backy my stamina, meaning the next trip has to be the last if I even can figure out how to do it.
Right now I believe I could go to the area he took me where the circle was and I am sure it has been developed. I have 2 places I really need to go, but I know if there is someone with me it will shut me down. Alone I am able to flow with my memories and turnaround and go back and do it again - or step away and go get something to eat and try it again another way. Bruce will tell you that I am no timid about knocking on doors. People seem to be pretty receptive to old women at their door - even if she does come across a little luney.
I mistakenly thought Sluggo was putting the flight path goind over Tena's bar - that is NOT what happened. I studied all of the pages - he stayed East of
Vancouver and did Non take the plane Over Tena's bar as other had suggested. I do disagree on that one minute - because I do not see it in real time.
One minute and he was right there - but I didn't realize where this site was then. NOW I desperately need to go back and I need to go over the area in a small plane along the route of witnesses and the back over that same route the way the pilot thinks it was done. Need to be done about the same time of day.
Might need one of those young Wa guys to pull me in a chinese buggs, because I want to to where I think Weber wen. Thing CHange, but if you know a person you might see what he would have done. I would not be able to move as fast as cooper and why I need a strong young man to pull me in an open light way shaw. I believe I can target his shelter as he made his way to saftey. THEN I have to commit a crime on the second nigjht I have to steal a boat and go back the PDX. There won't be an old building there , but maybe the ownaer will allow us to stay for a while and what and where he could have gone to see the things hs hew.
TWO (2) places I need to be along for a part of the night. There is a place in the "Dalles I hav to go to." I want to take asteem boat up the rifer.
Then to Spokane where I heed to see wha hedidn therel Article with pic need t be ruj with his jamelll
Hope I iw find whag ai am lookin for ther is ayoun man in prison out there I woan;t to spend so time wit.
I need to go to on the river.
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sailshaw 0
377 Mark says:
"I wish the FBI would let me examine the Amboy chute. I'll be up in the Seattle area for a trial in late April. Wish I had a good FBI connection."
I say: Mark give me a call when you are here in April. I will be available after April 8th. Remember, it is a free lunch at Seattle Yacht club on me
Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com
"I wish the FBI would let me examine the Amboy chute. I'll be up in the Seattle area for a trial in late April. Wish I had a good FBI connection."
I say: Mark give me a call when you are here in April. I will be available after April 8th. Remember, it is a free lunch at Seattle Yacht club on me
Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com
mrshutter45 21
QuoteQuotehere are some pics of Dummy Chutes, need some replies
from the jumpers on what is inside......
one on ebay is stuffed with rubber...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-10R-Dummy-Reserve-Parachute-/130847092325
Could be almost anything...
Was usually an old POS chute or rags, the idea was to use it as a 'training aid'.
It would have had the size, shape & weight of a normal front mounted reserve with the exception that it was probably sewn shut, or rigged in a manner NOT to open.
They were used to train people how to pull the ripcord...the ripcord would come out as on a 'normal' parachute but the container itself wouldn't flop open allowing the contents to spill out...taking time to 're-pack' for the next drill.
Most I've seen were placarded with huge lettering "FOR TRAINING USE ONLY" or "TRAINING AID" or "DO NOT JUMP"
Thanks for the info, wasn't sure if they sacrificed a real chute for accuracy....
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
they are well within the Flight Path perimeters? I am aware of
many people claiming it was a cargo chute, so here it is.
this is not entirely to scale due to the time frame I was in, but gives the idea of the location.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U99c_9A98c
right about where the red dot is on the 2010 writing on the map (see photo)
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