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.......If the Seattle FBI doesn't at least take a quick look at KC, I'm going to start believing they don't really WANT to solve the case. Even before all this crap came out...Himmelsbach called KC a must investigate suspect. And that was five years ago........
What goes around comes around. I think I explained this 12 years ago, Blevins. It is called a "CONSPIRACY" and the term "COVER-UP" is applicable. You beginning to get the picture like Jo Weber is finally getting it?????? Pretty basic stuff here. They don't have time to waste continuing their cover-up. They expect YOU to carry the load. Thank you very much. And the band played on..... Feelin' silly yet?
georger 258
We have been saying Cooper sat is 18C. Most of the
socalled official publications and the FBI including
Larry Carr have been saying, 18C.
Tom Kaye says it was 18E. based on FBI 302's he
has read ! 
Quote:
"2. Cooper sat in seat 18E (Fig. 1), all the way in the back on the right side of the plane. According to the FBI 302's, the black tie was found on his seat cushion - 18E."
http://www.citizensleuths.com/coopers-tie.html
Kaye even has a photo of the seat - notice there is
no window next to his seat as per allegations Cooper
moved over to look out "his" window' while on the
ground at SEA? Must have been some other window
because there is no window close to his seat, on his
side of the plane. And right side of the plane now
means 'right' looking forward from the back, which
contradicts another socalled official account.
The photo of his seat is not like the seating plan
I previously posted - notice the number 18 on the
AC dispenser just above the seat which identifies the
row of these two seats ...
Maybe Kaye really does have an edge on this case
and the rest of us are just wasting our time ?
I assume the photo of seat 18E Tom has put up on
his website is an FBI photo?
Look at that cheezy paneling and formica - talk
about 'cut rate'! Who was their interior designer?
mrshutter45 21
I would say that the photo was taken not long after the hijacking, notice the difference in the color of the cloth on the seat by the isle? looks like a new one.
was Cooper sitting in that seat? it would make sense for him not to sit where a window is due to sniper fire.
also the plane is listed as a 727-51 not 727-100
Sluggo does mention 727-51 (see photo)
the last pic of the plane (see photo)
can Florence be contacted for seat validation?
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N467US
was Cooper sitting in that seat? it would make sense for him not to sit where a window is due to sniper fire.
also the plane is listed as a 727-51 not 727-100
Sluggo does mention 727-51 (see photo)
the last pic of the plane (see photo)
can Florence be contacted for seat validation?
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N467US
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Is someone suggesting that skinny black ties were or will be out of style?
If so, that is very threatening to me as I own several.
They were standard engineer fashion when I graduated in 72.
The young hipsters wear them even today.
So can I keep mine?
Can I wear them without embarassing my
spouse?
What do the dropzone fashion police say?
377
You're good, unless your waist is bigger than your chest.
Then a wide tie will have a slimming effect.
Matt
or a thin tie will provide an incentive ?
If the incentive motivates one to hit the tread mill and ease off the bon bons, then yep!
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
Orange1 0
You're good, unless your waist is bigger than your chest.
Then a wide tie will have a slimming effect.
Matt
If your waist is bigger than your chest the only thing that will have a slimming effect is a diet and exercise program
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
OK, "special effect", like a scifi or conspiracy theory movie.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
Farflung 0
It is really interesting to read all the discourse, confusion and mayhem which results from supposition or careless reporting. Sure is fortunate that the protocols of research are so thoroughly respected on this thread; can anyone imagine what would happen if someone was to add pure BS into the mix? I simply feel faint from the very mention. Thank goodness this is an intellectual sanctuary and not a breeding ground for refugees from ‘A Clockwork Orange’ or ‘One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest’.
So now the seat is 18E. Presumably the center seat thus allowing for the beguiling Tina to sit close to Cooper and light cigarettes and communicate discretely. It’s been like the Spinning Teacups with people behind, to the left and right of Cooper dependent upon what version one chooses to believe. If you don’t ‘like’ a version then call the individual and see if you can brow beat them into changing their answer. Apparently this has made Dan Cooper comic books appear in Shemya in 1951, so it has been tested. I just read the report and note the data……. yawwwwwnnnnnn.
Oh no!!! I found another source for Cooper’s seat, what Oh what, is one to do? Cooper was in seat 18C, an aisle seat, according to living witness and former FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach. Here you can see for yourself from (13:55 – 14:05):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7taFf09hofI
Well…… now what? Several LIVING witnesses are contradicting each other, FBI files are confusing and frightening and individual ‘pet theories’ must be supported with data which must be deemed superior by unknown certification organizations. All the before mentioned techniques of sorting this has just crapped the bed…… again.
What’s the battle plan here? Call Tom Kaye and confirm that he didn’t misquote the seat? Call Geoff Gray and confirm that he didn’t misread the FBI files? Call the History Channel cameraman and see if he may have accidentally pressed the ‘speech/motion distortion’ button which made Ralph say and touch seat 18C? Obviously no one should take the source material at face value (never have before), no I say, it must be suppressed and edited until it matches a pre-selected conclusion (as is the norm).
It really drives home how careless, sloppy or flat out nefarious actions regarding information can damage the trail to the truth beyond repair or recovery. I cherish the fine, upstanding conduct which has proceeded each and every carefully thought out comment on this thread. The DBC thread is where leaps of logic are unheard of, douchebaggery extinct and BS held in check so well, that only the scarcest of dribble is ever detected by the most critical of eyes. Well done, well done indeed.
So now the seat is 18E. Presumably the center seat thus allowing for the beguiling Tina to sit close to Cooper and light cigarettes and communicate discretely. It’s been like the Spinning Teacups with people behind, to the left and right of Cooper dependent upon what version one chooses to believe. If you don’t ‘like’ a version then call the individual and see if you can brow beat them into changing their answer. Apparently this has made Dan Cooper comic books appear in Shemya in 1951, so it has been tested. I just read the report and note the data……. yawwwwwnnnnnn.
Oh no!!! I found another source for Cooper’s seat, what Oh what, is one to do? Cooper was in seat 18C, an aisle seat, according to living witness and former FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach. Here you can see for yourself from (13:55 – 14:05):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7taFf09hofI
Well…… now what? Several LIVING witnesses are contradicting each other, FBI files are confusing and frightening and individual ‘pet theories’ must be supported with data which must be deemed superior by unknown certification organizations. All the before mentioned techniques of sorting this has just crapped the bed…… again.
What’s the battle plan here? Call Tom Kaye and confirm that he didn’t misquote the seat? Call Geoff Gray and confirm that he didn’t misread the FBI files? Call the History Channel cameraman and see if he may have accidentally pressed the ‘speech/motion distortion’ button which made Ralph say and touch seat 18C? Obviously no one should take the source material at face value (never have before), no I say, it must be suppressed and edited until it matches a pre-selected conclusion (as is the norm).
It really drives home how careless, sloppy or flat out nefarious actions regarding information can damage the trail to the truth beyond repair or recovery. I cherish the fine, upstanding conduct which has proceeded each and every carefully thought out comment on this thread. The DBC thread is where leaps of logic are unheard of, douchebaggery extinct and BS held in check so well, that only the scarcest of dribble is ever detected by the most critical of eyes. Well done, well done indeed.
BobKnoss 0
Oh no!!! I found another source for Cooper’s seat, what Oh what, is one to do? Cooper was in seat 18C, an aisle seat, according to living witness and former FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach. Here you can see for yourself from (13:55 – 14:05):
You missed an opportunity, Farf. It would seem reasonable to assume that for a period he may have been in 18C, 18D, 18E and maybe even encroached on the window seat all at the same time. Is that a conundrum? Would he have used one? I think not.
georger 258
Oh no!!! I found another source for Cooper’s seat, what Oh what, is one to do? Cooper was in seat 18C, an aisle seat, according to living witness and former FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach. Here you can see for yourself from (13:55 – 14:05):
Whoever wrote Toms website says verbatum:
(a) "Cooper sat in seat 18E (Fig. 1), all the way in
the back on the right side of the plane.
(b) ""According to the FBI 302's, the black tie was
found on his seat cushion - 18E."
Tom/Carol do not say:
"According to the FBI 302's, Cooper sat is seat 18E."
If it matters, Ckret said:
Ckret
Jun 9, 2008, 4:23 PM
Post #2319 of 32296 (5639 views)
Registered: Sep 7, 2007
Posts: 522 Re: [bigway] More tie details?
placement/location? [In reply to]
________________________________________
Evidence as it was found on the plane:
Clip-on tie with tie clasp on the tie, laying in seat
18E.
Empty belly container laying on the floor in front of
18D.
Pink chute laying across seats 17c and 17b.
Unaltered backpack (Pioneer) sitting in seat 18B.
_________________________________________
The only proof I can find on Tom Kaye's Science
Team website, that Cooper sat in 18E, is the
statemenL "It would seem obvious that Cooper
left his tie on his seat (he sat in),"
That may seem obvious to Tom & Carol, but
that is not proof or a source ...
I think we are justifiably entitled at this point to
assume Tom and Coral have no proof of their
assertion Cooper sat in 18E. Its nothing more than
an assumption they make.
The probability analysis they include does not even
address this point -
In the meantime there are numerous official and
semi-official sources which say Cooper sat in 18C.
Neither Tom or anyone else say that any FBI 302
says that Cooper sat in 18E, that Tina or Flo
specified that ... ?
Im just curious why its so obvious to Tom and Carol?
As before, I doubt they will even answer -
It is worth noting, the back of that plane was a very
tight space, relatively speaking. Not a lot of room
to move around in - most the space occupied by
seats. Ckret's listing of seats where evidence was
found tends to illustrate that fact.
Maybe the lack of space is one reason Tom speculates: "It would seem obvious that Cooper
left his tie on his seat (he sat in),".
Who knows and does it even matter?
Farflung 0
This research stuff can be rather dry at times but every once in a while I come across that gem that makes it all worthwhile.
That’s right, mere days after the hijacking an article outlines what truly happened on Flight 305.
Now it can be told, from secret archives long hidden from view and public scrutiny. Apparently when Cooper departed Seattle, he ordered two flight officers and a ‘stewardess’ into a small and ever so steamy and hot compartment, while the pilot flew to Reno. I can’t imagine what it must have been like to have been trapped in some dark confines with Tina, no doubt breathing deeply as she tries to stave off panic. But I’ll try.
The reason I choose to believe this particular article should be obvious. I’m looking for the truth and this is how I imagined it would be. Well….. minus one of those flight officers and making me the other would have been how I imagine it, but this will do for now.
That’s right, mere days after the hijacking an article outlines what truly happened on Flight 305.
Now it can be told, from secret archives long hidden from view and public scrutiny. Apparently when Cooper departed Seattle, he ordered two flight officers and a ‘stewardess’ into a small and ever so steamy and hot compartment, while the pilot flew to Reno. I can’t imagine what it must have been like to have been trapped in some dark confines with Tina, no doubt breathing deeply as she tries to stave off panic. But I’ll try.
The reason I choose to believe this particular article should be obvious. I’m looking for the truth and this is how I imagined it would be. Well….. minus one of those flight officers and making me the other would have been how I imagine it, but this will do for now.
I hate to take the wind out of Mr. Thomas' sails, but I have it on freshly released information that his new indisputable Cooper is now on record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PYtK6gtrCs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnznUBb1bpQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The reason he could not be found is simple time travel, which has now been officially confirmed by the council. Jerry is right, as always. Jerry knows everything, he just doesn't blab it all over the universe. The chase is over. Case solved and confirmed. Finni. End. Capute. Sorry everyone. I was wrong, too. Must have been a different parallel universe. Jerry, how DO you do it?
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