DB Cooper

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After seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper.. ......

Gee, that was my wish. I thought that if you could swallow the KC fable you might have some fun with a REAL biography that could actually be proven with honest FACTS! You know, do something constructive other than beat that poor dead nag for the Crew.

This sounds like an admission that your story is fake, or most of it. The part about ding LSD and prison is probably true.

The part that the records of the Program are all destroyed is however, not true. FOIA will allow you to see your not listed in them.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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After seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper.. ......

Gee, that was my wish. I thought that if you could swallow the KC fable you might have some fun with a REAL biography that could actually be proven with honest FACTS! You know, do something constructive other than beat that poor dead nag for the Crew.

This sounds like an admission that your story is fake, or most of it. The part about ding LSD and prison is probably true.

The part that the records of the Program are all destroyed is however, not true. FOIA will allow you to see your not listed in them.

Matt

Ar yous a washing machine salesman & repair guy
too, liek B'noss. ?

Why is this load taking so long to finish?

Should we send Tom Kaye in to help?

Or Field Marshall-Admiral-Captain-Amerika, Blevins?

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After seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper.. ......

Gee, that was my wish. I thought that if you could swallow the KC fable you might have some fun with a REAL biography that could actually be proven with honest FACTS! You know, do something constructive other than beat that poor dead nag for the Crew.

This sounds like an admission that your story is fake, or most of it. The part about ding LSD and prison is probably true.

The part that the records of the Program are all destroyed is however, not true. FOIA will allow you to see your not listed in them.

Matt

Ar yous a washing machine salesman & repair guy
too, liek B'noss. ?

Why is this load taking so long to finish?

Should we send Tom Kaye in to help?

Or Field Marshall-Admiral-Captain-Amerika, Blevins?

You're making as much sense as BK now.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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After seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper.. ......

Gee, that was my wish. I thought that if you could swallow the KC fable you might have some fun with a REAL biography that could actually be proven with honest FACTS! You know, do something constructive other than beat that poor dead nag for the Crew.

This sounds like an admission that your story is fake, or most of it. The part about ding LSD and prison is probably true.

The part that the records of the Program are all destroyed is however, not true. FOIA will allow you to see your not listed in them.

Matt

Ar yous a washing machine salesman & repair guy
too, liek B'noss. ?

Why is this load taking so long to finish?

Should we send Tom Kaye in to help?

Or Field Marshall-Admiral-Captain-Amerika, Blevins?

You're making as much sense as BK now.

Matt

which BK? The new toppers? Or the old char broiled
Whopper? Its all been down-sized and prices
raised, of course. The BK Big Fish is now micro-
sized and the price raised. Arby's currently has
two fer five. Better go there... then go to your
next refrigerator repair. Did you bring your ohm
meter, rubber boots, and yumpper cables, eh?

Call Knoss for correct settings on dat thermonstat -
he's got the manuals in his shop.

U-bettcha!

Oh! BTW! Git that frig going quick! Call Knoss for
his 30 years plus experience in this field. Then you
can crawl inside the frig and wait the massive solar
storm headed our way, out. MAC says its the worst
in six plus years.

Blevins and Gayla can clean up the mess. For a 12%
surcharge and three BK mini-mac coupons.

U-bettcha.

ps(fine print) coded in this message is a message.
I'll bet you cant figure it out!

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Full moon is two weeks out. Go back to sleep.

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Full moon is two weeks out. Go back to sleep.


Or, get out your Amana, Kelvinator, and Sears
Service & Repair manuals ... and we can
discuss "wing nuts" and no.6 pan head phillips
screws ?

Got any belts for a 1958 Philco drier left? Surely in
some box in your garage or basement?

Tell BIG MAC hello?

How's your type II diabetes?

Admiral-General-Capt Amerika, Knoss-the-boss ?



It isnt about Cooper. ITS ABOUT YOU!
THATS WHY YOU ARE HERE.

[mrshutter45 21]

Bob seems to fit this profile!

Narcissistic personality disorder

Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

The causes of this disorder are unknown. An overly sensitive personality and parenting problems may affect the development of this disorder.

Symptoms

A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation

Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals

Have excessive feelings of self-importance

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love

Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

Need constant attention and admiration

Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

Have obsessive self-interest

Pursue mainly selfish goals

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Bob seems to fit this profile!

Narcissistic personality disorder

Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

The causes of this disorder are unknown. An overly sensitive personality and parenting problems may affect the development of this disorder.

Symptoms

A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation

Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals

Have excessive feelings of self-importance

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love

Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

Need constant attention and admiration

Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

Have obsessive self-interest

Pursue mainly selfish goals

Accurate, probably all true, but I don't make up false stories about Project Norjak like Bleepins, et. al. Add borderline manic depressive also. People are after me. Boogie men chase me at night. Old too, but I'll last a while longer. Thank you for your concern. Oh, and Jo makes me psycoscitsoid!

[BobKnoss 0]

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Full moon is two weeks out. Go back to sleep.


Or, get out your Amana, Kelvinator, and Sears
Service & Repair manuals ... and we can
discuss "wing nuts" and no.6 pan head phillips
screws ?
Got any belts for a 1958 Philco drier left? Surely in
some box in your garage or basement?
Tell BIG MAC hello?
How's your type II diabetes?
Admiral-General-Capt Amerika, Knoss-the-boss ?



It isnt about Cooper. ITS ABOUT YOU!
THATS WHY YOU ARE HERE.



ANOTHER DICK AND JANE WINNER!!!!
No diabetes, no belts, no manuals, no wing nuts, No Rear Admiral, no basement, never worked on a refrigerator, your Dog Pile search has the wrong guy. You don't want me to talk about Weber (Cooper). Ask a Cooper question and see. Troublemaker! Go back to sleep.

[skyjack71 0]

Tommy Gunn was a homeowner and business owner in his community. Tommy Gunn was not McCoy. Knoss never knew Tommy.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Wasnt Dan supposed to ID Cooper by now?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[EVickiW 0]

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Wasnt Dan supposed to ID Cooper by now?

377

https://sites.google.com/site/navilluspress/navillus-press/novels-mysteries/the-case-of-d-b-cooper-s-parachute

Here is another author with his revelations....to be released this Summer 2012.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[BobKnoss 0]

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Tommy Gunn was a homeowner and business owner in his community. Tommy Gunn was not McCoy. Knoss never knew Tommy.

There must be 500 to 1000 Tommy Gunns in the USA!! Get some rest. Richard Floyd McCoy Jr. used the name Tommy Gunn, Ask Bart Gunn, Billy Gunn, Mary Barton, Mike Barton, Denny Nichols, Bill Rataczak, Nick O'Hara, on and on...... Face it, Jo! You are WRONG AGAIN!! NEVER SAY NEVER! Take it easy.. Relax. Absorb. Learn. You never knew Richard McCoy, did you? Yes or no. Jerry knows him. Retired agent in Texas? Leave him be? You don't know how wrong you are!

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Wasnt Dan supposed to ID Cooper by now?

377

https://sites.google.com/site/navilluspress/navillus-press/novels-mysteries/the-case-of-d-b-cooper-s-parachute

Here is another author with his revelations....to be released this Summer 2012.

"A novel". Read the label.

"No revelations", just suckers. Who dont read
labels.

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Maybe discussion of weather around Vancouver on hijack night will be facilitated by understanding of the overall weather situation in the region at the time--what some in weather call the "regime." I'm not a meteorogist, so some of it may not be precisely correct, but here's how I understand that regime to be.

The weather on hijack day was being produced by a lot of warm water in the ocean to the west. The warm water arrived there from the western Pacific tropics via the "Japan current." The warm water off the coast of southernmost Alaska, having a lot of cold land and air around it to the northwest, north and northeast, warmed the air over the ocean and also humidified it. That reduced the density of the air and caused it to rise. Result: a VERY STRONG atmospheric low (<988mBar) out NW of the U.S. NW.

Around that strong low (L) the air rotated counter-clockwise (CCW). Up in Alaska, warm humid air coming in from the southwest cooled and dumped precipitation "big time." Down at the coast of Washington at 4am on the 24th, that low produced air flow more from the west, especially at higher altitudes where the flow was blocked from continuing to circulate around the super L. It headed NE to the Canadian border over the middle of Montana, where it turned and headed SE. By 4am the next day, the flow was even more directly eastward.

The temperature was considerably higher at the coast than it was at Portland, because of that warm air coming in from the ocean. And the land and air were considerably colder out to the east. The warm air coming in from the ocean was saturated with water. It started to be cooled immediately as it approached the coast and came ashore. The cooling started squeezing water out of the air as it neared the coast.

The further east the air moved, the more it was cooled. But not dramatically, because the temperature gradient was small all the way to the Great Lakes. The air also rose a little with every mile traveled to the east, because the surface rose, also cooling the air near the surface. The sun going down helped to cool the air too. The north-pacific low was pumping warm, humid air irresistibly to the east. All along the way, the gradual cooling produced clouds and light precipitation while the incoming warm air caused the temperature in each locale to rise a bit in comparison to what it was before the warm-air pump was turned on. The Portland temperature went up for hijack day, then went back down on the 25th.

At 4am on hijack day, the warm air got to Idaho. It was not as warm as it had been when it came ashore, but it was warmer than the air it bumped against. It occluded (caught up with and overwhelmed) a mild cold front there. It pushed up over the cold air. This cooled the incoming warm, humid air further, causing it to produce more precipitation across the base of the Idaho stovepipe and northwestern Montana (the shading there on the 4am surface chart for the 24th).

An important aspect of this weather regime as it relates to Washington and Oregon is that the "weather" resulted from warm air. A warm front. One result of this was that the weather was not violent or extreme. Little instability. Little turbulence. Little lightning. Few thunderstorms. Just very gradual squeezing precipitation out of the air over a long distance and time period as the warm air was pushed up over the existing cooler air (a stable condition).

The regime persisted a while into the 25th. The reason for this is that the strong low out to the northwest was still in the same place at 4am on the 25th, and the minor low at the Canada-Montana border was still there. But the strong low was weaker than the day before.

The effect of this was that the isobars on the surface chart ran pretty much the same way across the western half of Washington and Oregon as they did at 4am on hijack day, just a bit more like due east-west. The isobar spacing was close to the same, so surface winds were similar in magnitude over most of that area. The high altitude winds were flowing a bit more toward due east.

Direction of surface winds could be considerably impacted by the existence of an isobar "thumb" like the 1016 isobar where it passed through Pendleton, OR at 4am on the 24th. The abrupt change of isobar direction means that winds in places near that abrupt change could change direction abruptly as such an isobar feature passed nearby.

The super low out to the NW was still pumping warm, humid air eastward into a relatively cooler environment. It was pumping heat and moisture out of the ocean off the coast and, in doing so, it was reducing the ocean water temperature that was creating the super low.

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My favorite bar is an isobar, preferably not too close to another isobar.

Good post Naturehominid.

Anybody have any Sluggo news? I worry about him.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Thanks, 377. I sent him an e-mail a couple of days back just saying some here had expressed concern about him. No response.

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Good post Naturehominid.

Anybody have any Sluggo news? I worry about him.

377

[Hominid 0]

Forgot. Yes, things can get very, very windy if those isobars are too close to each other.

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My favorite bar is an isobar, preferably not too close to a another isobar.

377

[MarkBennett 5]

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Wasnt Dan supposed to ID Cooper by now?

377

https://sites.google.com/site/navilluspress/navillus-press/novels-mysteries/the-case-of-d-b-cooper-s-parachute

Here is another author with his revelations....to be released this Summer 2012.

Isn't that book fiction? Nobody ever makes any fictitious claims on here.

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Blevins wrote

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This weekend, I am going to make an entire book a free download in PDF: The 13th Day of Christmas. Main character 'Anna Johnson' was based on real-life Canadian Chief Astronaut Julie Payette, whom I think is the toughest woman on Earth. Okay, Canada anyway.

Has Payette ever jumped?

Regardless, I'd put my bets on Amazon if it came down to a battle.

Hey, slightly off topic but the US Supreme Court just ruled against warrantless GPS trackers. Obama and Holder lost. Yaaaay!

McCoy's chutes had beacon transmitters covertly installed by Perry Stevens, a master rigger and skydiver who incidently taught me how to jump. They were pre GPS but served a similar purpose. They would probably have been held to be legal despite the lack of a search warrant due to the "hot pursuit" exception.

I too have tried contacting Sluggo to no avail. I hope he is OK.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 264]

I also hope Sluggo is okay. Been checking lately, and I think he's still with the living, but for some reason he hasn't been around. He has a Yahoo site, a regular website, and a blog. No new entries by him in a while. We've had our differences in the past, but I respect what he has done for the Cooper case. He still has the best site about it and tries to keep out the non-facts. (*salute*)

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I talked to Sluggo several weeks ago. He is fine but is recovering from some medical issues. He was supposed to post up here to say hi but it must have gotten away from him.

I can't say I blame him for not keeping up with the thread.

Tom

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My understanding of the occluded front was wrong. This particular occluded front was what is called a warm occluded front. Cool air having caught up with where warmer (less cool) air is already pushing up against even colder air, pushes under the warm air, but over the colder air to the east. Net effect is that the two warmer (least cold) of the three air masses are pushed up over the coldest air to the east. This cools the warmer air masses and causes precipitation.

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At 4am on hijack day, the warm air got to Idaho. ... It occluded (caught up with and overwhelmed) a mild cold front there. It pushed up over the cold air. This cooled the incoming warm, humid air further, causing it to produce more precipitation across the base of the Idaho stovepipe and northwestern Montana (the shading there on the 4am surface chart for the 24th).

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From Wash Post:

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SEAL Team Six parachuted into Somalia under cover of darkness Wednesday and rescued an American woman and a Danish man from an outdoor camp where they were being held by Somali pirates, the official said.

Other accounts say they arrived by helo.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I took a copy of surface chart for the 25th, cleaned off most info other than locations, added some locations for which I could find atmospheric pressure for 8pm on jump night. Then added the pressures for stations I could identify in Georger's image 6b, plus some from Weather Underground. Then estimated isobars for 8pm on jump night. Could add some of the other info typically on a surface chart.