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it's difficult not to take it personally when someone continuously ignores the name you prefer to be addressed with, choosing instead to use a name specifically to discredit and insult.
add to this saying my name sounds like that of a 4 year olds, as justification for continued harassment, and when that failed to find sympathy, she tries to claim "victim" who is in some kind of danger?, even posted that she felt I am scary.
preposterous! and shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.

the only poster here attempting to provoke arguments and confuse the issue seems to be that of the poster whose theory has been proven false by DNA evidence.
while the explanation of the DNA sample from DB Cooper as being an incomplete sample is understandable and feasible.
claiming it's tainted and planted is just plain old denial.
there's no reason to reasonably assume the FBI is lying about the DNA.

add to this, that this most recent series of ranting posts is immediately following my blocking of "Bob Kloss" on facebook.
who seems to have a posting schedule of that immediately following when Jo takes a break here.
oh yeah, his story is the same as hers except he claims to be one of the fellow conspirators with Duane, thus backing up Jo's theory.
she has even claimed this forum would not exist without her, and that it somehow lends her special privileges.
it's rather transparent and obvious what is going on here.
I would argue that considering she got actual FBI agents removed from this forum, that this forum exists more despite her rather than because of her.

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Jo,

377 and others have pointed out - only an idiot would get involved in a lawsuit over web chat. Internet forums are the adult version of a kindergarten playground.

Just ignore their posts and focus on your story. I know that you are given a hard time on here for your story and I don't see that changing. I am as frustrated as others with the teases and taunts that the "big revelation" is simply days or weeks away.

Just focus on your story - Duane led an interesting life, he may or may not have been Cooper. Feed your information into the mix and let others do the analysis. Don't take anything personally 9 times out of 10 it isn't mean't that way.

Your advice to Jo is sage, but good luck in thinking she'll follow it. Am I really the only poster who thinks she is being WAY off base with those remarks? How would any of you feel if someone asked if you were sure your mother was really your birth mother, in the context of a story of kinky business leading to a 15-year old "GIVING" away her son?

Jamie - re your initial post. I thought it would be hard for you to ignore Jo's inevitable digs (and I didn't think they would be anywhere near as malicious as they were), but it may be best for you if you do just ignore. Nothing but proof Duane was Cooper will ever satisfy Jo.

Anyway - I am away for 2 weeks - given what has been happening here recently not sure I will miss this thread . Happy Christmas to those of you who celebrate it, and to those who don't hope you have a good festive season too. To those of you lucky enough to get some jumping (or tunnel time) in - have fun, stay safe!
I live in hope, but don't really expect any breakthrough in the case by the time I get back

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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If Jamie causes my monies to get tied up in a lawsuit - what little life I have is gone.

Stop the irrational melodrama about lawsuits Jo. You are more likely to be hit by a meteor than you are to be a defendant in a civil suit based on forum postings. I've been a lawyer for 35 years. I don't chase ambulances or represent people in defamation suits, but I do know how those games are played. It's all about money and there is no money to be made suing Jo Weber for damages caused by her forum posts. No lawyer in the US would take that case on a contingency and a plaintiff would have to be a rich idiot to pay a big retainer and hourly rate. So relax Jo. Worry about something else.

Snowmman found info on the same Ted Braden who Billy Waugh thought was Cooper. What makes you think otherwise? He was a deserter, a mercenary in Africa and a wanted fugitive. He had a motive (money) and the skills. Can you imagine any better training than night HALO jumps into an enemy jungle?

Bruce had a wild theory that the CIA might have influenced a group of people to believe that they were Cooper. I discount all govt conspiracy theories which purport to explain Norjack, but how many people have told others they were DBC? Quite a few. How many bear a reasonable resemblance to the FBI sketch? Quite a few. Is this true in every high profile unsolved crimes where the criminal is admired by a portion of the population? I wish Snowmman were here. He'd have the stats and a few psych journal cites.

Wish we knew more about the Cooper tie DNA. It apparently can rule out suspects as it did with Sheridan Cooper.

Jamie, what kind of samples were given for the paternity testing? Mouth swab? Was it taken at the testing lab?

How do you explain the Tena Bar money find?
According to you your Dad successfully jumped and kept the loot possibly buying heavy equipment with it. Why would any loot be found on the banks of the Columbia?

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If Jamie causes my monies to get tied up in a lawsuit - what little life I have is gone.

Stop the irrational melodrama about lawsuits Jo. You are more likely to be hit by a meteor than you are to be a defendant in a civil suit based on forum postings. I've been a lawyer for 35 years. I don't chase ambulances or represent people in defamation suits, but I do know how those games are played. It's all about money and there is no money to be made suing Jo Weber for damages caused by her forum posts. No lawyer in the US would take that case on a contingency and a plaintiff would have to be a rich idiot to pay a big retainer and hourly rate. So relax Jo. Worry about something else.

Snowmman found info on the same Ted Braden who Billy Waugh thought was Cooper. What makes you think otherwise? He was a deserter, a mercenary in Africa and a wanted fugitive. He had a motive (money) and the skills. Can you imagine any better training than night HALO jumps into an enemy jungle?

Bruce had a wild theory that the CIA might have influenced a group of people to believe that they were Cooper. I discount all govt conspiracy theories which purport to explain Norjack, but how many people have told others they were DBC? Quite a few. How many bear a reasonable resemblance to the FBI sketch? Quite a few.

Wish we knew more about the Cooper tie DNA. It apparently can rule out suspects as it did with Sheridan Cooper.

Jamie, what kind of samples were given for the paternity testing? Mouth swab? Was it taken at the testing lab?

How do you explain the Tena Bar money find?
According to you your Dad successfully jumped and kept the loot possibly buying heavy equipment with it. Why would any loot be found on the banks of the Columbia?

377

in regards to my own DNA sample I have provided the results of.
it was obtained at Lake Reigion hospital lab, under police supervision which excluded me in a paternity lawsuit.
this involved both mouth swabs and multiple vials of blood being drawn as well as fingerprinting and photos being taken.

the "DB Cooper" DNA evidence? I couldn't tell you for sure how they accquired their samples, only that Larry Carr stated in a radio interview I listen to that it's an incomplete sample and that the sequence that would show parentage isn't present.
so I concluded my DNA sample is of no use in this case.
while the FBI sample is useless for proving relationship, it would still prove definitively whether or not a potential "DB Cooper" was valid or not.

as for the Tena Bar money find?
I know he traveled enough that he could have planted it but this is pure speculation, I don't remember the matter being discussed. thats not to say it wasn't only that I can't recall my father saying anything about it, I remember my mother saying he planted it, but it seemed like speculation on her part as well.
if I'm able to recover the briefcase and the tapes are intact, perhaps it was discussed? but in summery, I have nothing of merit to add on this aspect of the case currently.

something that occurred to me today is, couldn't the road-flares have been used to increase visibility during the jump?

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Reliable sources tell me she's changed a lot since '71, and is completely useless as a witness in 2010, which is a real shame.

I recommend that you do some research in cognitive psychology. You might want to take a closer look at memories in specific. Too much to post, but the cliffs version would read: all witness testimony is subject to huge reliability issues if not accounted for every single step of the way.

"every step of the way" has already been violated big time and can never be made whole.

Relying on any of the witnesses for a positive ID is laughable at this point, and was laughable by 1975.
/cliffs

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I am attaching a scan of a check and handwriting on a envelope.
the majority of the writing on the check was not my fathers as he didn't like to leave evidence.
the only handwriting on the check are the initials "D. J." and the partial last name "Coop".
but on the outside of the envelope this check and a greeting card were in, He wrote more. the words "Merry Christmas" and my assumed name "Jamie"
in a way I almost feel bad sharing it because I promised never to tell on him, but as he is dead now, he can't be harmed.
obviously this will not match the writing on the Dan Cooper ticket in FBI evidence, but of course it shouldn't.
I have also located a lone ranger comic of my fathers, the only significance of this is that it shows he was a comic book fan. this could be a connection to the "Dan Cooper" comic ? a weak one but circumstantial at least.
the "D" on the ticket appears to have been deliberately made to resemble the comic book.
this was never mentioned to me by my father only that he played confused and incompetent to the teller and chose the name "Dan" because of it similarity to his actual name, because his built in senses wold pick the name "Dan" if it was muttered or announced in a crowd, and tip him off if need be, and because he felt he could easily prove he wasn't "Dan" by showing his I.D. if need be as well.

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something that occurred to me today is, couldn't the road-flares have been used to increase visibility during the jump?

They (red "fusee" type road flares) would have been more of a hinderance than a help since they emit unidirectional light and would blind the user if held at arms length, plus they would be visible to searchers. They also drip molten sulphur slag and are hazardous to use. If dropped to illuminate a landing site they would almost certainly be extinguished on impact. Tossing a lighted one out just before jumping could serve to indicate an exit point to a ground based accomplice, but thats just speculation.

Sheridan Peterson mentioned use of a flashlight to aid in a hypothetical Cooper night landing. He knows better. The ground closure (descent) rate under a C9 canopy and weak illumination of objects at a distance would make a flashlight pretty useless. You'd be better off letting your eyes adapt to the ambient light and using no illumination.

What made you think the unfinished tatoo was connected with Thailand Jamie? The jpg photo wasnt very clear. Is there any lettering?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Thank you for the advice about the possiblities of being sued and I hope you are right. Greed is terrible thing.

I thought I made a diplomatic post but again it is taken out of context. Such at the statement below:

I stated:
"The very things Jamie and Orange oppose when I post are the very reason this thread existed at all. If it was not for confidentiality and co-operation and the sharing of information - NONE of you would be here. NO ONE would need any ONE ELSE."


Then Jason spouts off "she has even claimed this forum would not exist without her, and that it somehow lends her special privileges'".

That is NOT what I said - I have never claimed this thread would not exist without me and there is NO way the statement and plea I made above would reflect his interpretation. Jason needs to spend his time telling us about his story rather than attacking everything I say.

I will repeat myself one more time in this plea to STOP all of these ridiculous postings for no other purpose than to trash someone else. I have NOT attacked him - I have tried to help.

I did NOT say I was responsible for this thread - but it exists and serves a purpose with the confidentiality and co-operation and sharing of informations is possible only because this thread exists. The constant attacks will cause us to loose this valuable tool...and then they will no have a place to have their voice made known.

Jason stated:
"add to this, that this most recent series of ranting posts is immediately following my blocking of "Bob Kloss" on facebook. who seems to have a posting schedule of that immediately following when Jo takes a break here. oh yeah, his story is the same as hers except he claims to be one of the fellow conspirators with Duane, thus backing up Jo's theory".

Everyone here knows that I DO NOT AGREE with Knoss and that I do NOT go to face Book. The first time I ever went to his site was after Jason came to this thread. I made one visit, but only observed and did NOT post.

The thread is aware of my previous contact with Knoss. My relationship with Knoss is not an ongoing thing. I have called him about once a yr. to see how he is doing. It is totally paranoid to think my posts in this thread have any link to Knoss.

Knoss and I agree to disagree - in a kind and nice way. He wishes me well as I wish him well - there has never been a cross word or attack between the man and myself. I expect it will be that way till one of us expires or one of us is proven to be wrong. I have said before his story has a threads of truths.

I listened to his story as I am trying to listen to Jasons, but Jason chooses to be antagonist toward me rather to spend his time making posts that count and might contain valuable information. Might this be the case because maybe he only "wants' to antagonize or to stir-up trouble rather than take his time to produce information everyone is waiting for.

Jason we want to hear your story NOT your rants toward me. This is not FACE BOOK or TWITTER. This is a rational group of intelligent individuals who really want to solve this crime, Seems the only thing that will make you stop the attacks is for me to STOP POSTING!

It is senseless for me to spend this valuable time defending myself....against the unrational statements you make regarding anything and everything I post.

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something that occurred to me today is, couldn't the road-flares have been used to increase visibility during the jump?

They (red "fusee" type road flares) would have been more of a hinderance than a help since they emit unidirectional light and would blind the user if held at arms length, plus they would be visible to searchers. They also drip molten sulphur slag and are hazardous to use. If dropped to illuminate a landing site they would almost certainly be extinguished on impact. Tossing a lighted one out just before jumping could serve to indicate an exit point to a ground based accomplice, but thats just speculation.

Sheridan Peterson mentioned use of a flashlight to aid in a hypothetical Cooper night landing. He knows better. The ground closure (descent) rate under a C9 canopy and weak illumination of objects at a distance would make a flashlight pretty useless. You'd be better off letting your eyes adapt to the ambient light and using no illumination.

What made you think the unfinished tatoo was connected with Thailand Jamie? The jpg photo wasnt very clear. Is there any lettering?

377

the flare question was just speculation, He never suggested anything about them other than he stole them and thats what was used for the "bomb".
I just bet he thought they would be useful either during or after the jump as well.

no decipherable lettering,it almost looks as if it was altered in my opinion?
He, himself said it was representative of his military service.
I posted the pic on facebook and got the following replies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_Thailand
Look at the pics/symbols on the bottom of this

another person suggested it cold be from the 11th ACR. They had control of an area in vietnam so that could include directing aircraft as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Armored_Cavalry_Regiment_(United_States)#Vietnam_1966_.E2.80.93_1972

both of which are possible candidates, neither can be confirmed without obtaining his military records.
I really think he was in the Air Force though instead of the Army. need confirmation of course. but as a child I recall wanting to go in the air force because my father had, and he said they had better housing.

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Relying on any of the witnesses for a positive ID is laughable at this point, and was laughable by 1975.

Not quite sure I'd call it laughable, but it sure is unreliable.

What does the /cliffs mean?

Did you have any connection to the skunk-cam video?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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are there any handwriting experts available? because even though I didn't expect so, I think theres some matches in from the handwriting samples I uploaded and the ticket.
the "N" on the ticket looks similar to the "M" in the samples, also the "Coop" has a larger "o" followed by a smaller "o" and the ""P" are very similar on both the ticket and the check.

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No samples of Coopers Handwriting:

The hand writing on the ticket was done by the ticket agent.

This was explored when I thought I had handwriting that might match Coopers. Cooper left NO handwriting samples on the plane.

The only possible and questionable handwriting came from notes the FBI received thanking them for their hospitality. Probably not actually from Cooper.

DNA

Agent Larry Carr called me on his way to a press interview - wanting to tell me before I heard it on TV. He stated "they found multiple particial DNA's". He used the word excused and not excluded. Now I understand they are saying they have microfilia (not spelled right so someone else will have to make the correction) DNA from the edge of the clasp.

377:
By the way, I didn't know there was a report out yet about EagleEye Petersens DNA. When and where did you hear this?

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well I'm not a qualified handwriting expert, but even if it was the teller who wrote it, it seems to show some matches. also the lettering looked deliberately non matching and uses improper capitalization.
I find that quite strange.

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well I'm not a qualified handwriting expert, but even if it was the teller who wrote it, it seems to show some matches. also the lettering looked deliberately non matching and uses improper capitalization.
I find that quite strange.

DAN COOPER left NO HANDWRITING SAMPLES - he retrieved his ONLY (handwritten)NOTE FROM FLORENCE AND DICTATED to her his DEMANDS TO THE PILOT.

Have you been working on a time line? Even the yrs before the crime.

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well I'm not a qualified handwriting expert, but even if it was the teller who wrote it, it seems to show some matches. also the lettering looked deliberately non matching and uses improper capitalization.
I find that quite strange.

DAN COOPER left NO HANDWRITING SAMPLES - he retrieved his ONLY (handwritten)NOTE FROM FLORENCE AND DICTATED to her his DEMANDS TO THE PILOT.

Have you been working on a time line? Even the yrs before the crime.

this also fits with how he operated after the jump, dictating to women to write his checks and the like.
as for working on a timeline? nope haven't been.
basically just sticking to what He and my mother told me, and what evidence I can muster.
delving into the theories of others or anything else is pretty much pointless for me.
the timeline seems to be revealing itself anyway.

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Below is the actual PM I posted and Quade has my permission to verify this:

I couldn't verify it if I wanted to. Private Messages are just that and the Moderation Staff doesn't have access to them.

We do not now, nor have we ever, had the ability to read other people's Private Messages. This is why when you guys complain to us that somebody sent you something via PM, we can't really do anything about it because we have no first hand knowledge of it.

If you do no wish to receive PMs from people, then simply turn it off.

I actually believe Quade, although if you work out the game theory this would be a smart move to get us to PM freely with no caution at all. That would be the conspiratorial analysis and I just dont play in that sandbox.

I ran a website for a while`that had PM features. I had every privilige available and I couldnt read PMs.

Snowmman however, in all likelihood designed the chips that process all this web stuff, so who knows what he can see. Assange has nothing on Snow, except perhaps a few pissed off Swedish girls.

The Nobel committee, after rejecting my suggestion about Snow, came back with a recommendation that I support the nomination of Quade for the Peace Prize. Snow captured the email and threatened to remotely enable code that would turn my Cypres 2 into an altitude triggered lithium battery incindiary device if I cooperated, so I backed off.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I had a couple of conversations today that are puzzling. Very Puzzling and I have NO idea where they are leading or if they are true.

1. Cooper smoked Pall Malls and not Raleighs.

2. The FBI does have the prints from the drinking glasses.

3. Even the drink Cooper ordered had been reported as not the same given to the media.

Sounds like someone blowing SMOKE, but things have gotten so ridiculous lately....even this might be true. I just know "It will be a few more weeks".

Remember my telling about Doug Pasternak's interview with Rose, the artist who did the composites. He told Doug about something he was unable to adequately portray in a composite that all of the witnesses would agree on.

I have and will always be very protective of this information as it is NOT my information to give away and information that NO one would know unless they were one of the witnesses in contact with Cooper providing a description to this artist.

377, are you positive Eagleeye is NOT Cooper? How did Snowmman obtain such information.

I have NO idea what is going on and then maybe I do. I do believe the FBI or someone is getting ready to make an annoucement regarding Cooper and that this announcement will be done in the public eye.

My ex-husband was NOT Cooper. Okay I will buy that because I only have one ex-husband and I divorced him in 1971. No one has to tell me he was not Cooper - 5'6'' with red hair and freckles.

I heard a lot of other things today, but nothing that made sense. My processor (my brain)-is over loaded and I have a very important appointment coming up in the morning. I am sure I will have to make some decisions about my future health and I am not sure what the options are going to be.

Maybe people are coming out of the wood work because they know I need answers now and not later...maybe they are preparing me or maybe they are using me as a tool for their own benefit. All of this I am sure will play out - but, NOT sure I will be around when it does. Later is coming sooner than expected.

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[JamieCooper 0]

while i may not always see eye to eye with you Jo, I wish all the best with your health!

cigarette brand, drink preference, saying he was a casual smoker/ light drinker.... all these things are irrelevant.
if I was going to hyjack a plane, I would change my usual brand, try a different drink, or even consume less or more than normal to foul up any potential pursuers.
I remember seeing rubberband bound Raleigh stamps at his home at some point in my youth, but he smoked camels for the most part, when I was older and had more contact with him, even pooling "Camel bucks" with me and my mother at times.
there were times when he had winstons too.
same with the drinks, his favorite was jack Daniels and coke but he drank beer more often because the Jack/Cokes got him too drunk.
and I'm sure other times he drank tequila and vodka.
there are too many flavors in life and the nature of man is too unreliable for these things to be evidence.
if in fact he spilled his drink, wouldn't the alcohol have remove any decent prints?
also theres the name on the ticket.
although apparently it was written by the teller according to what the FBI told "Jo", it bears far too many similarities to my fathers signature.
I think the FBI is wrong or deliberately lying about this.
when placed side by side it easily becomes obvious.
while He meant to write differently and misleadingly.
the spacing, placement, strokes, and angles as well as choosing to use 2 Capital letters in the first name spaced identically to my fathers is to similar. the last name has the letters again spaced identically, at the same angle with the same stoke pattern and placement.
even my untrained but artistically tuned eye picked that up.
I think it's written by the same person.
see the attached pic to compare for yourself.

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Jamie stated:
"although apparently it was written by the teller according to what the FBI told "Jo", it bears far too many similarities to my fathers signature.
I think the FBI is wrong or deliberately lying about this."


Jo Replies:
How do you get "what the FBI told Jo" out of my post. This information came from an inteview with the ticket clerk. NOT me and not what the FBI told me. It may even be in the FIOA papers - not sure.

That ticket clerk was interviewed by some of the best journalists in the business. I would have to sort thru 10's of thousands of papers to find where it was presented. I expect Sluggo who is our man about the facts may know where it came from.

Jamie,
I am saying this real NICE and polite:

Taking someones post to twist it to fit your need - is why other regulars are NOT here and I am the only one hanging in other than 377. I keep hoping you might post something that someone will sink their teeth into, but so far nothing. You will not answer questions that might facilitate others in helping resolve the story you have been told by others.

Jamie, I understand you are a musician trying to make a Name for yourself. True or False.

No need to address the handwriting comparison because it is a null and void subject. Cooper did NOT sign the ticket or write on it.

Lots of people read this thread - and that was a test. You failed.

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JamieCooper,


I’ve stayed out of this discussion because it seems to me to be (about Round #23) of the he-said-she-said discussions on this thread. I have a particularly low tolerance for that type of discussion.

I would like to exhibit the temerity to suggest a course of action for you:

First, Read this entire thread, the previous and current versions. A link to the previous version is here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3110857#3110857 . If you don’t have the time or energy to do this, then you are not very serious about presenting your case. This thread (its posters) has more knowledge about NORJAK than any other entity publically available (the FBI work-product is not publicly available). There are some very astute posters here and they recognize bullshit when they see it. If you have strong feelings about the possibility of your Dad being Cooper, then you need to act on it, otherwise you’ll be branded (on this thread) as just a “poser” or “play-ya”.

Second, if after reading all of this thread, you still feel strongly that your Dad was involved in NORJAK, contact the FBI. If you have a case, they’ll contact you (in a hurry); the Agent-of-Record is Special Agent Eng. If they tell you, you have not presented evidence that makes them want to investigate your Dad, then, BELIEVE them and DROP IT! If he talked as much as you say he did, they have probably already investigated him (they know a lot more than you or any of us do).

Third, if you have read the entire thread and still feel strongly about your Dad as Cooper, but don’t have enough EVIDENCE to present to the FBI, then contact me (through my web site, NOT a PM on this thread) and I will try to assist you. I have no position on the validity of your story, I will be glad to help, but ONLY AFTER you show that you are serious about trying to find the truth about your Dad.

If you choose not to take my advice, I still hope you find peace in an issue that is probably troubling to you at this stage of your life.

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I think we're getting into Fantasyland here regarding the plane ticket to Seattle.

There are two main reasons WHY it's known for a certainty that the clerk (not 'teller') filled out the ticket.

1) It was standard policy for the airline employee to fill out the ticket, not the passenger.

2) The clerk verified this with the FBI. Yes. The clerk filled it out. This is common knowledge.

Jamie: Your father's signature bears absolutely NO resemblence to the name on the ticket, as far as a handwriting match. And it shouldn't...unless your father was a ticket agent for NWA.

I considered this scenario as well.
the problem is there are the similarities that I mentioned.
you also claimed he doesn't look like the sketches how ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7a8Ek_UI3E
now lets assume it was the ticket agent who filled in the name in a crowded airport terminal
asking for the name.
he replies "D" "J", which sounds like "D" "A' to the agent, then my father says, no it's "Don", the agent adds the smaller but still capitalized "n", and obviously the last name "Cooper" speaks for itself.
perhaps this is the eureka moment for my father to exploit the similar sounding name?
does anyone know the gender of this ticket agent? is it possible, while flirting for instance that He could have filled it in? or could the scenario I just imagined, be similar to the "acting confused and incompetent" statement he made to me, thus allowing him to just fill it in?, at least part of the ticket because of noise?
for example could he have added the "n" and coop portions?
I know from my own life experiences various shady things with names and i d can be accomplished.
my legal name is "Donald Jason Cooper, but I've always been known as "Jamie"
having a different name than on my ID has rarely ever been an obstacle.

I'm well aware this might seem like a stretch to you at first but bear in mind we are talking about a man planning on hyjacking the plane.
theres all the reason in the world to suspect out of the ordinary events leading up to it.
while he may have appeared completely calm, I'm sure he drifted between fear, and at times considered backing out.
perhaps this is reflected in the name choice and its written appearance?
of note, my father rarely if ever raised his voice even when making violent threats or saying "I love you", his voice was relatively the same, calm sounding low, and polite despite the subject matter. traits I only partially inherited. lol I have the unintentional gift of angering people just by posting anything at all. perhaps if you were able to hear the tone of my voice when thinking these thoughts you might not be as quick to anger?

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First, Read this entire thread, the previous and current versions. A link to the previous version is here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3110857#3110857 . If you don’t have the time or energy to do this, then you are not very serious about presenting your case. This thread (its posters) has more knowledge about NORJAK than any other entity publically available (the FBI work-product is not publicly available). There are some very astute posters here and they recognize bullshit when they see it. If you have strong feelings about the possibility of your Dad being Cooper, then you need to act on it, otherwise you’ll be branded (on this thread) as just a “poser” or “play-ya”.

Second, if after reading all of this thread, you still feel strongly that your Dad was involved in NORJAK, contact the FBI. If you have a case, they’ll contact you (in a hurry); the Agent-of-Record is Special Agent Eng. If they tell you, you have not presented evidence that makes them want to investigate your Dad, then, BELIEVE them and DROP IT! If he talked as much as you say he did, they have probably already investigated him (they know a lot more than you or any of us do).

Third, if you have read the entire thread and still feel strongly about your Dad as Cooper, but don’t have enough EVIDENCE to present to the FBI, then contact me (through my web site, NOT a PM on this thread) and I will try to assist you. I have no position on the validity of your story, I will be glad to help, but ONLY AFTER you show that you are serious about trying to find the truth about your Dad.

If you choose not to take my advice, I still hope you find peace in an issue that is probably troubling to you at this stage of your life.

Jamie - The above is the best advice you could get and comes from someone VERY knowledgeable of this case. I might add that Sluggo's website (I think he has a link to it in his posts) is a valuable source of info also.

According to some internet research, and Jamie has verified that this is his father, the age factor does seem to be a roadblock. Jamie himself alludes to this in one of his earlier posts, as well.
That said, but also understanding that eye-witnesses can be wrong and people can appear to be younger/older than they are...Donald John Cooper was born in 1943 and died in 2005. This would put him about 28 yrs old in 1971. He was married in 1963. No info on how that marriage turned out. Then he went into the army in 1966, served time in Korea as air traffic controller and got out in 1968. He then remarried in 1969.. I think to Jamie's mom.. they divorced in 1972.

Just saying....if the army and two marriages won't make you old before your time, don't know what will
There might have even been another marriage/divorce before the 1969 marriage but I don't trust that info. Some more marriages after 1972, but they aren't germane to this discussion. He had a private pilot's license, his occupations were mainly outdoors (ranch, oil fields, highway and bridge construction, trucking (owned his own trucking business also at some point, and, according to Jamie, he also owned a construction company and perhaps partial interest in cement company), and was an avid hunter and outdoorsman.

I'd love to see maybe a less formal picture or more defined picture from 1971ish.

I've sent Jamie info on how to obtain some records that he doesn't have, so it should not be too difficult for Jamie to obtain his father's service record which might further yield fingerprints or applicable background history. Seems like it would be worth a shot anyway if Jamie still feels that his father is Cooper after looking at all the info as Sluggo has so wisely suggested.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Many of these are new to the forum, some are better copies of ones seen before that were scans of newspaper articles.

Note the Palmer dig photo, backhoe in the background. You can clearly see that the trench was excavated by that machine not the hand shovel held by Palmers helper.

Sluggo will like the map photos, but he may have seen them before.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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more Snowfall.

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Blizzard continues.

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.