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QuotePeople yearn to be heros. The Internet and good old yarn spinning can make anyone a hero for a short period of time. Then the skeptics and Snopers enter the picture and cut the fake heros to shreds.
Ted Petruska is famous now, but not as a hero.
Duane Weber is famous now, but not as Dan Cooper.
Fame is not the same as glory.
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If this is true how do you explain the bag, the ticket stub and the plane ticket? Of course YOU have to ASSUME that I am telling the truth regarding these items.
For me it is a matter of justice and truth and disclosure - mostly for my own peace of mind.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
QuoteJo says: "There is no proof Duane was NOT Cooper".
Well yes there is. The photo proof is below.
I am interested to know how Jo explains her story
about Duane being "furloughed" mid 1960s when
it turns out he had already been released in 1962! ? Small minor detail I guess. Not even Duane can be
in two different places at once, especially when the
warden is looking!
Georger - I am not talking about Canon City - I am talking about Jefferson - MO - where he was imprisoned from 1966 to 1968.
Bad Boy - again you for got about that weird Commutation of Sentence in 1968 for John C. Collins. aka Duane L. Weber.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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QuoteWas it a desparate act by a desparate man? BUT, where did he obtain the training to pull this off?
take your pick:
1. JM Wave covert 727 HALO training facility.
2. CA Bureau of Prisons smoke jumper camp.
3. Ranger non Ranger civilian jump school.
4. BuDop on the job Paratrooper training.
The FBI has refused to prove that Duane was NOT trained at ANY of these facilities therefore Duane trained at ALL of them. QED.
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Jo Stated:
PS. Not one of you ever really looked at Camp Sibert and WHY the FBI has lied to me - this was inexcusable. There was NO NEED to lie about the background of a man they thought was NOT Cooper.
Sluggo Stated:
BULLSHIT… PURE BULLSHIT!
I studied Sibert’s history, talked to folks at Anniston (Ft. McClellan, the current CBRW site), I talked to some people at Parsons (the decommissioning contractor) and put boots on the ground in Gadsden to see what the place looked like.
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Sluggo:
I asked a specific question about Camp Sibert - [RED]SMOKING?[/RED]
By the way if you had your information correct you would know that Duane was in Camp Sibert in April of 1943. On the 15th he wrote a letter to his mother thanking her for doing his laundry and sending him a dollar. He also asked her to send his watch - which he could use due to the [BLUE]training he was recieving there in the Chemical end of the war[/BLUE].
He also speaks about his brother John being sent there before he goes over.
I noted Georger's post where again he tries to make a perfectly healthy man come across as being very sick.
Perhaps someone can show me where I posted those prison files or perhaps GEORGER can explain WHERE he got them.
P.S.
Perhaps you might find it interesting that I was told that Duane's uncle developed or helped develope chemical warfare during that time period. I have not been able to verify this. This same Uncle went on to be chemist with Sherwin Williams in Chicago. He was in both WW1 and WW11.
Also a point of interest - [BLUE]this service connection for Duane was DENIED by the FBI in 2000[/BLUE]. I was in possession of the letter signed by him written from the base. His name was there with his serial number and signed with his nickname Dusty..
This was told to me by Agent Ralph Hope and in that same conversation he tells me that Duane was NEVER in McNeil and I am holding government documentation.
You still think I should not feel resentment regarding the FBI.
This same agent was the one who sent me a letter stating that Duane had been investigated - letter dated 1998.
NOW it is my turn to say
BULLSHIT! PURE DOUBLE BULLSHITH.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
377 STATED:
We (my guys) have explored all of the opportunities that might tie into Duane according to what we have been about to piece together about him. Do you guys NOT do that with the other suspects. Remember - Carr told me to put him in a chute.
So we started with the High Sierras of Ca. that he talked about when we were in Tahoe which encompassed the Camio and Snowline areas of CA in a program that involved CPS's and young first time offenders (a program in Ca that also worked with McNeil in respect to young 1st time offenders. Some of these guys went on to be smokejumpers.
Next we move on into those unknown yrs 1945 - 1948 - the very yrs we believe the exposure to Smoke Jumpers occurred.
Then he goes to San Quentin and Folsom (I really did see that picture - and hope someday it will show up again).
There was a program at One of the above prison that allowed the man to participate in programs that would help them find work after getting out. Duane took LOTS of courses and in 1957 may have participated in an unusual program.
1957 - 1960 are of interest, but the FBI does not fill them - but we found some real interesting information about 2 of those yrs.
but can't tell you what we found.
In 1960 he is in El Paso and El Capitan - and ends up in Canon City...but he gets out of there very quickly - being seen by his nephew in Miami at the Fontane Blue prior to his release from said prison???? Canon is where that strange photo is taken - an odd photo for a prison. A profession photo??? All dressed up and no place to go.
1962 - 1968 he lives his life as John Collins or does he. He is in KS, NE,OK, AZ, CA, WA, CO, LA, MO, OH,AL, FL, GA, S.C. and then back to GA. I have only recently been able to fill in a lot of the blanks in those yrs and he was off and gone most of the time.
Those yrs are full of connections and some of them were not good. From 1968 till 1971 - tagging children along they moved 6 or 7 times.....Those poor children! AH yes, Sluggo we have also been very busy.
I still want someone to tell me what the Term "Smoking" means in relationship to Camp Sibert.
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1. JM Wave covert 727 HALO training facility.
2. CA Bureau of Prisons smoke jumper camp.
3. Ranger non Ranger civilian jump school.
4. BuDop on the job Paratrooper training.
We (my guys) have explored all of the opportunities that might tie into Duane according to what we have been about to piece together about him. Do you guys NOT do that with the other suspects. Remember - Carr told me to put him in a chute.
So we started with the High Sierras of Ca. that he talked about when we were in Tahoe which encompassed the Camio and Snowline areas of CA in a program that involved CPS's and young first time offenders (a program in Ca that also worked with McNeil in respect to young 1st time offenders. Some of these guys went on to be smokejumpers.
Next we move on into those unknown yrs 1945 - 1948 - the very yrs we believe the exposure to Smoke Jumpers occurred.
Then he goes to San Quentin and Folsom (I really did see that picture - and hope someday it will show up again).
There was a program at One of the above prison that allowed the man to participate in programs that would help them find work after getting out. Duane took LOTS of courses and in 1957 may have participated in an unusual program.
1957 - 1960 are of interest, but the FBI does not fill them - but we found some real interesting information about 2 of those yrs.
but can't tell you what we found.
In 1960 he is in El Paso and El Capitan - and ends up in Canon City...but he gets out of there very quickly - being seen by his nephew in Miami at the Fontane Blue prior to his release from said prison???? Canon is where that strange photo is taken - an odd photo for a prison. A profession photo??? All dressed up and no place to go.
1962 - 1968 he lives his life as John Collins or does he. He is in KS, NE,OK, AZ, CA, WA, CO, LA, MO, OH,AL, FL, GA, S.C. and then back to GA. I have only recently been able to fill in a lot of the blanks in those yrs and he was off and gone most of the time.
Those yrs are full of connections and some of them were not good. From 1968 till 1971 - tagging children along they moved 6 or 7 times.....Those poor children! AH yes, Sluggo we have also been very busy.
I still want someone to tell me what the Term "Smoking" means in relationship to Camp Sibert.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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QuoteI still want someone to tell me what the Term "Smoking" means in relationship to Camp Sibert.
Look at my previous urban dictionary cite. It could mean many things from killing someone to... well look at the sexual definition.
No offense Jo, but if Duane was a state prison inmate believe me he knew quite a bit about that kind of "smoking" too.
Do you seriously think ANY of what you posted puts Duane in a chute? If you do you are kidding yourself.
If Duane were qualified as a paratrooper or smoke jumper he had to make many jumps. Where? What airport? Which planes? Where was the DZ? How did he keep up his skills so that he could successfully perform a really difficult night jet jump in 71?
Why have no pilots come forward to verify these claims of prisoner smoke jumper operations? USFS smoke jumpers have never heard of them either.
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QuoteQuotePersonally I think all the posters in this thread need to jump a 1971 period surplus round parachute and land at the Ariel Tavern for the 40th annual Cooper party on 24 November 2011.
Cooper didnt hit a specific landing target, why should we have to?
Well we don't KNOW that for sure!! (just like everything else about the case)
Amazon, I personally think your idea is great. But I'd be the wuss that insists on jumping a square I'm afraid
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
snowmman 3
Sometimes I lie awake at night, crying, thinking of Duane in the cave for 40 days and nights, laboring over the silver plates.
Sherwin, why hast thou forsaken Duane?
Sherwin, why hast thou forsaken Duane?
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QuoteQuotePersonally I think all the posters in this thread need to jump a 1971 period surplus round parachute and land at the Ariel Tavern for the 40th annual Cooper party on 24 November 2011.
Cooper didnt hit a specific landing target, why should we have to?
I have well over a hundred surplus round jumps, but only ONE of them resulted in a precision landing in the center of the DZ's pea gravel pit. I had a couple that were miles away.
If I ever go to the DB Cooper party in Ariel, I think I'll drive. It really doesn't hold that much draw for me. I can find a bunch of drunks to BS with about Cooper a lot closer to home than Ariel WA. I don't even have to leave the DZ, just hang around for a bit after the last load.
If Cooper survived, did he ever attend the party at Ariel? I wonder if the FBI attended?
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It's all about spotting
I landed my 28' C-9 with the 4 line released, in a 20 man life raft 3 different times while doing demo water jumps and quite a few in the peas with all kinds of rounds. The last surplus canopy I jumped in 2004 was a T-10 with a 7-TU and I placed 2nd in accuracy by landing only 20 ft from dead center.. the winner was a skinny little sucker and he landed 10' from a DC.. but it was still my spot( he went out after me.
I have about a dozen rigs with round's in them. I could loan a couple to some of the more "interesting" woosies posting round here.
snowmman 3
I get a lot of email from Al-Qaeda asking if they can jump out the back of an MD-80. I actually flew on MD-80s this week, and was looking at a rear stair deployment on an adjacent plane. Got me musing about Cooper.
Everyone knows they removed the controls so you can't lower the rear stairs from inside, only a ground crew can do that.
But the MD-80 has the tail cone that disconnects for the exit slide.
So the question is: Can you blow the tail cone in flight and just jump out the back, without worrying about the stair issue?
Here's a 1987 picture of a MD-81 landing after it lost it's tail cone on takeoff. Nice big jump exit!
http://www.airliners.net/photo/0016973/L/
I'm thinking a Cooper thing would be pretty easy on any current MD-80. Just blow the tail cone, even before takeoff and leave the rear door open?
I wonder if there's any kind of interlock on the rear door. I suspect not, since interlocks might restrict the rear door's use in an emergency.
Everyone knows they removed the controls so you can't lower the rear stairs from inside, only a ground crew can do that.
But the MD-80 has the tail cone that disconnects for the exit slide.
So the question is: Can you blow the tail cone in flight and just jump out the back, without worrying about the stair issue?
Here's a 1987 picture of a MD-81 landing after it lost it's tail cone on takeoff. Nice big jump exit!
http://www.airliners.net/photo/0016973/L/
I'm thinking a Cooper thing would be pretty easy on any current MD-80. Just blow the tail cone, even before takeoff and leave the rear door open?
I wonder if there's any kind of interlock on the rear door. I suspect not, since interlocks might restrict the rear door's use in an emergency.
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Quote1957 - 1960 are of interest, but the FBI does not fill them - but we found some real interesting information about 2 of those yrs.
but can't tell you what we found.
Yawn...
And why can't you tell us? Who or what is stopping you? Do you seriously think that a case this old has current national security issues? Not a chance.
The FBI hasn't proven that Gossett was not Cooper and he sure is a far better qualified suspect than Duane.
They haven't proven that Guru was not Cooper either and he sure had the skills (pilot, jumper, tech savvy).
You made the Weber=Cooper claim Jo so you need to supply the evidence. You say at various times that you have it, but there is ALWAYS some excuse as to why you can't produce it. Then you blame the FBI. You do this over and over and over.
Yawn...
You mentioned two days of scrutiny in one of your recent posts. Who was interrogating you for "22 hours"? Sounds like elder abuse to me.
You keep referring to "my people." I hope you are not paying them. I find it hard to believe that anyone would devote significant time and resourcres to the Weber=Cooper story if they were not being compensated by someone. You might make a good "mark" for paid investigators who would corroborate your beliefs about Duane, the FBI, the Mafia, RFK, JFK, MLK etc.
As for a continuing FBI coverup? Pure fantasy Jo. You mentioned egos. Carr has one. You certainly do. We all do. If Larry Carr could solve NORJACK he would rightly become a LEGEND in law enforcement. That prospect is a highly motivating factor. If you think he would cover up Cooper's real identity in 2009 you are ignoring reality.
The FBI owes you no duty to disprove anything. Stop whining about their failure to do you a favor. You burned your bridges there and now cry about having to wade through the river.
Again, provide even a scintella of unequivocal evidence that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper and you will find a far warmer welcome here than you've seen lately.
Oh, and why have you totally ignored Sluggo's suggestions to solicit help from Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show and C to C AM? Your story has appeal in these circles and who knows what kind of alliances you might forge with listeners and viewers who are less cynical than the folks on this forum? Why not give it a try?
Jerry and Georger are not FBI affiliates tasked with silencing you or making you appear irrelevant. They are simply people who flat out do not believe you.
It must be really tough to look back on Duane for what he really was: a thief, a con artist, someone so avaricous and petty that he would steal expensive coats from restaurant cloakrooms. He wasn't even smart enough to avoid arrest and conviction NUMEROUS TIMES. It is far more comforting to indulge in the fantasy that he was in the service of our country, fighting our enemies, protecting our leaders, a Ranger, a paratrooper and a smoke jumper. I can understand what pushes you to doggedly pursue a vision of Duane that is glamourous, heroic and worthy. I bet Georger can too.
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snowmman 3
I am collecting funds for the Duane Weber Is Cooper Foundation. Please forward this to all your email contacts.
Money can be sent via paypal using this dz.com email address.
Due to the volume, individual replies can not be guaranteed, but all money is used.
Jo Weber receives nothing from this solicitation.
Money can be sent via paypal using this dz.com email address.
Due to the volume, individual replies can not be guaranteed, but all money is used.
Jo Weber receives nothing from this solicitation.
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QuoteIt's all about spotting
I landed my 28' C-9 with the 4 line released, in a 20 man life raft 3 different times while doing demo water jumps and quite a few in the peas with all kinds of rounds. The last surplus canopy I jumped in 2004 was a T-10 with a 7-TU and I placed 2nd in accuracy by landing only 20 ft from dead center.. the winner was a skinny little sucker and he landed 10' from a DC.. but it was still my spot( he went out after me.
I have about a dozen rigs with round's in them. I could loan a couple to some of the more "interesting" woosies posting round here.
You got me beat on overall surplus round accuracy Amazon, but did you even nail a DC (Dead Center) with one?
Most of my round landings were a LONG LONG way from the peas but on one miraculous day I did nail a DC.
I'm with Orange. No more round jumps... well, maybe a MK I short lined PC. My Triathlon 190 is just too sweet to ever go back to those brutal C9 landings.
I wonder if Cooper knew about the four line cut and steered his canopy? I forget the details Cossey supplied, but wasnt it an unmodified C9? At night it wold be very hard to see canopy and line details much less cut the right four lines to make it steerable.
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snowmman 3
Interesting case of tailcone plus rear door loss in flight?
tale from http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:oTM2AJIH_A8J:www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4429144/+md-80+tail+cone+separate&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
"An AC DC-9-32 lost the tailcone, rear door to the emergency exit, and part of the pressure builkhead at 25,000 ft. over the Atlantic after departure from BOS in 1979 due to an undetected crack in the pressure bulkhead. Luckily nobody was sucked out of the 5 ft hole due to the sudden depressurization. It made a safe emergency landing back at BOS.
Coincidentally, the same aircraft (C-FTLU) was written off 4 years later in 1983 after an emergency landing at CVG on a DFW-YYZ flight due to a fire in one of the aft lavatories. 23 of the 46 on board died before they could evacuate the burning aircraft."
(edit) The separate 1983 fire on C-FTLU is well-documented (Google)
Here's a link that talks about an Air Canada plane losing the tail cone and door in flight in 1979
Amazing if it was the same plane as noted above (this issue wasn't mentioned in the fire accident reports I read). Air Canada is correct for a match.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0C16FD3B5D12728DDDA90A94D1405B898BF1D3
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30B1EFC3D5C12728DDDA10994D1405B898BF1D3
"The rear door and tail cone of an Air Canada DC-9 twin-jet airliner were ripped away high over the Atlantic yesterday and assorted parcels and a food cart were swept out through the gaping hole"
tale from http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:oTM2AJIH_A8J:www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4429144/+md-80+tail+cone+separate&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
"An AC DC-9-32 lost the tailcone, rear door to the emergency exit, and part of the pressure builkhead at 25,000 ft. over the Atlantic after departure from BOS in 1979 due to an undetected crack in the pressure bulkhead. Luckily nobody was sucked out of the 5 ft hole due to the sudden depressurization. It made a safe emergency landing back at BOS.
Coincidentally, the same aircraft (C-FTLU) was written off 4 years later in 1983 after an emergency landing at CVG on a DFW-YYZ flight due to a fire in one of the aft lavatories. 23 of the 46 on board died before they could evacuate the burning aircraft."
(edit) The separate 1983 fire on C-FTLU is well-documented (Google)
Here's a link that talks about an Air Canada plane losing the tail cone and door in flight in 1979
Amazing if it was the same plane as noted above (this issue wasn't mentioned in the fire accident reports I read). Air Canada is correct for a match.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0C16FD3B5D12728DDDA90A94D1405B898BF1D3
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30B1EFC3D5C12728DDDA10994D1405B898BF1D3
"The rear door and tail cone of an Air Canada DC-9 twin-jet airliner were ripped away high over the Atlantic yesterday and assorted parcels and a food cart were swept out through the gaping hole"
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QuoteJo says: "There is no proof Duane was NOT Cooper".
Well yes there is. The photo proof is below.
I am interested to know how Jo explains her story
about Duane being "furloughed" mid 1960s when
it turns out he had already been released in 1962! ? Small minor detail I guess. Not even Duane can be
in two different places at once, especially when the
warden is looking!
Georger - I am not talking about Canon City - I am talking about Jefferson - MO - where he was imprisoned from 1966 to 1968.
Bad Boy - again you for got about that weird Commutation of Sentence in 1968 for John C. Collins. aka Duane L. Weber.
Obviously I dont know what Im talking about
here because there never has been a clearcut
presentation of the raw facts, by anyone. So, goodluck to you all!
I do know this. The person Duane Weber photographed below does not share any of physical
attributes that were attributed to DB Cooper, in any
official sketch. Weber and Cooper are two completely
diffe
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rent people, physiologically. The fact that nobody here seems to see that or acknowledge it
is not my responsibility (thank God!).
I also know, Duane's friend at Marietta GA was interviewed and said Duane never claimed to be Cooper. This man knew and worked with Duane
for years and was one of Duane's closest friends.
This man was very clear about Duane's marraige
to Jo and cited comments Duane made about that.
This man says that Duane was interested in the
Cooper case and Duane said many times he thought he might know 'who Cooper was', and that Duane
was referring to Richard McCoy, because Duane had
lived at Virginia Beach where McCoy was shot, and
many people at Virginia Beach thought McCoy might have been Cooper. This man says that idea was not original with Duane but common public speculation
at Virginia beach.
This man is also alleged to have said he got a call
from Jo after Duane's death and she put forth the
idea that Duane had been Cooper! The man says
he was stunned. He says Jo asked him to back the
story because she was launching a real estate business in Florida and needed the publicity. The
man says he refused and told Jo 'never call me again'! But Jo went forth on her own with her story.
He says it never was Duane's story during Duane's life but only Jo's story, after Duane died.
Why Sluggo has never commented about this, I dont
know. It is Sluggo who worked with Jo and knows
this story, but he has never commented about this.
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QuoteJo Stated:
PS. Not one of you ever really looked at Camp Sibert and WHY the FBI has lied to me - this was inexcusable. There was NO NEED to lie about the background of a man they thought was NOT Cooper.
Sluggo Stated:
BULLSHIT… PURE BULLSHIT!
I studied Sibert’s history, talked to folks at Anniston (Ft. McClellan, the current CBRW site), I talked to some people at Parsons (the decommissioning contractor) and put boots on the ground in Gadsden to see what the place looked like.
==============================================
Sluggo:
I asked a specific question about Camp Sibert - [RED]SMOKING?[/RED]
By the way if you had your information correct you would know that Duane was in Camp Sibert in April of 1943. On the 15th he wrote a letter to his mother thanking her for doing his laundry and sending him a dollar. He also asked her to send his watch - which he could use due to the [BLUE]training he was recieving there in the Chemical end of the war[/BLUE].
He also speaks about his brother John being sent there before he goes over.
I noted Georger's post where again he tries to make a perfectly healthy man come across as being very sick.
Perhaps someone can show me where I posted those prison files or perhaps GEORGER can explain WHERE he got them.
P.S.
Perhaps you might find it interesting that I was told that Duane's uncle developed or helped develope chemical warfare during that time period. I have not been able to verify this. This same Uncle went on to be chemist with Sherwin Williams in Chicago. He was in both WW1 and WW11.
Also a point of interest - [BLUE]this service connection for Duane was DENIED by the FBI in 2000[/BLUE]. I was in possession of the letter signed by him written from the base. His name was there with his serial number and signed with his nickname Dusty..
This was told to me by Agent Ralph Hope and in that same conversation he tells me that Duane was NEVER in McNeil and I am holding government documentation.
You still think I should not feel resentment regarding the FBI.
This same agent was the one who sent me a letter stating that Duane had been investigated - letter dated 1998.
NOW it is my turn to say
BULLSHIT! PURE DOUBLE BULLSHITH.
All of this could be true!
None of it makes Duane Weber, DB Cooper!
Its beginning to sound more like Duane Weber was
Robert Oppenheimer or Enrico Fermi or Chejne
Kanou or, Duane Weber?
One thing I do know is Im not going to waste
another minute on your bullshit.
Duane Weber was Cooper.
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