DB Cooper

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Jo. I have to hand it to you. You have come along ways in creating your ficticious storie's.Compilling your info and using it over the years to fabricate even further fantisies. However eventially people like you get exposed. Caution. Jerry

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Slugo. I understand it is only a opinion of yours that Geof's Book will not be earth shatering . Believe me ,It will. I Know this young man personally and have spent a great deal of quality time with this young man.You can expect nothing but the best from this Exstremely rare author.Jerry

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Jo. You said it. yes . With a Case of clasical stupidity.Jerry

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Slugo. I understand it is only a opinion of yours that Geof's Book will not be earth shatering . Believe me ,It will. I Know this young man personally and have spent a great deal of quality time with this young man.You can expect nothing but the best from this Exstremely rare author.Jerry

Jerry,

I count Geoff as a friend (even though we have never met “Face-to-face”).

But, I have learned not to get my hopes up when it comes to NORJAK. Remember the disappointment with the Nat Geo thing.

If Geoff’s book is “earth shattering” I will be elated. If not, I’m sure it will still be an excellent reference. I have followed Geoff’s work (for New York Magazine and other news services) every since I became aware of him, I think he is an EXCELLENT journalist (rare in this day and time) with old-fashioned “journalistic integrity.”

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This morning I received a comment regarding "The New Suspect and Another Book" on my Northwest 305 Skyjacking blog (Link in my signature line below) from Galen Cook.

He talked about Tosaw and his relationship with/to him. He also said (in part):

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By the way, investigative efforts on my front have passed expectations and an "announcement" will be made sometimes in late spring or early summer.

Keep up with the good work on your own site.

Galen Cook

Is this a “Jo-style tease” or is he really onto something? I honestly don’t know. But, I have come to believe Galen is not the “boogeyman” I once thought he was. I just still can’t understand why he chose George Noory’s C2C radio show, a known haven for kooks of every stripe, to initially release his info. I’m sure he had his reasons, I just have no idea what they were. I think he damaged his credibility by doing so. Or, maybe just with me… who knows?

He also hinted at a rivalry between Tosaw and Himmelsbach. I’d love to know more about that!

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My experience with Galen was good, no teases and an open mind. He is personally sure he has the right Cooper suspect but is very open about needing more evidence to convert a hunch into a certainty. He is seeking Cooper $20s. I doubt if he has found one. That would result in an immediate press conference.

Sluggo, I think the C to C forum tarnishes Galen, but not as much as you do. A loonie audience doesn't mean the speaker is loonie. Gosset's various confidential confessions make me skeptical. I think the real Cooper would keep his mouth shut. Gosset's ties to Ft. Lewis and his military jump training are intriguing. His resemblance to the sketch is quite strong. He has serious money problems in 71. None of those facts prove he was Cooper though.

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377,

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Sluggo, I think the C to C forum tarnishes Galen, but not as much as you do. A loonie audience doesn't mean the speaker is loonie.

You are right, I noticed that Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson astrophysicist and personal hero of mine was on the C2C guest list. So, maybe the appearances on C2C don’t hurt him (Galen) as much as I tend to think (feel).

As far as Gossett’s money problems… attached is an MP3 of Gossett’s own voice explaining why he had money problems. See if anything else “strikes you” about this snippet.

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377,

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Sluggo, I think the C to C forum tarnishes Galen, but not as much as you do. A loonie audience doesn't mean the speaker is loonie.

You are right, I noticed that Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson astrophysicist and personal hero of mine was on the C2C guest list. So, maybe the appearances on C2C don’t hurt him (Galen) as much as I tend to think (feel).

As far as Gossett’s money problems… attached is an MP3 of Gossett’s own voice explaining why he had money problems. See if anything else “strikes you” about this snippet.

This is all - very amusing.

[Farflung 0]

Perhaps Coast to Coast is a good news source with a wide bandwidth. Four hour segments of the life of J. Allen Hynek a noted Ufologist is probably such an example. The installment about Spirit Attachments and the Federal Reserve was probably a fluke in that it got some air time. Then there is the time tested Bermuda Triangle where a professor has been researching electronic fog and linear displacement of aircraft also known as local space warps.

Following the guidelines of most research projects with a quarter centuries old subject, you must exercise extreme caution about what and when you publish. This insures accuracy for disclosing too much may inspire parallel development or research or validation. In order to preserve the integrity of your 38 year old subject you must guard your data. This is common practice.

Of course it is even more common or dare I say universal, to release absolutely nothing. Simply grind away on your 38 year old subject matter and release a comprehensive solution which is sourced and verified with copyright protections. What would be the point of releasing hints about shocking new data as it relates to a case that is, did I mention; 38 years old? These are not standard research practices nor are they all that common outside elementary schools or grocery check out aisles.

Of course the ultimate validation would be a conviction or closing of the case from this research; but first let there be books.

The validation of individuals through personal interactions is a good thing. A man is judged by the company he keeps, as the saying goes. But for all the people who vouch for, play golf with or do lunch with a person; I want to be able to check their data. Nothing is too secret to escape validation yet still be published. But this 'special access' technique is used because it works so very, very well and on people who consider themselves rational and even holding a superior intellect. I've know person X for 22 years and I can tell you without reservation that his results are consistent. Of course he protects his source, that's how Bernie Madoff is such a success.

How many of the people who vouched for him for all those years have since published details about what utter fools they have been for most of their lives? OK, how about what imbeciles they were on this subject? OK, ok, ok...did anyone admit they truly knew nothing about the person or the subject, but simply relished the role of handing out tidbits of information which made people take tiny and constant bites out of their seat cushions? .... .. .... ..

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and me.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[JerryThomas 0]

Farflung. Who are you? Your post are that of a journalist. Intriguing. To say the least.Write a book. you seem to be very good at writing. My guess is.That you are a author, Or at the very least someone I know. Jerry

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Jerry,

I count Geoff as a friend (even though we have never met “Face-to-face”).

But, I have learned not to get my hopes up when it comes to NORJAK. Remember the disappointment with the Nat Geo thing.

If Geoff’s book is “earth shattering” I will be elated. If not, I’m sure it will still be an excellent reference. I have followed Geoff’s work (for New York Magazine and other news services) every since I became aware of him, I think he is an EXCELLENT journalist (rare in this day and time) with old-fashioned “journalistic integrity.”

Ditto for that - he is an excellent writer. I do believe his book will HIT on several subjects - and I believe it will be objective.

Not one of you commented on the Mercenaries - therefore I assume Jerry spoke for ALL of you. Too, bad. Like I said I am cleaning house - running into lots of old things I just pushed aside. Thought you guys might be interested in some of it. I am too tired to night to post another one I got a call from - it was interesting and he had documentations (government documentations) on his subject.

I need to locate him and not be the one who makes his information public. He is no longer working for the company he was with when he made the contact, but the owner said he would pass the message to him.
I think he should be the one who comes here and presents his own subject - if I don't hear from him I will make a summary of it without the supporting docs.

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You are right, I noticed that Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson astrophysicist and personal hero of mine was on the C2C guest list.

So why dont you suggest to your buddy Neil he take over the DB Cooper case? I tend to think he would. He has all the right connections.

Neil would very quickly separate the operant Cooper
from all the 'dwarf and smurf' Coopers moreover
he is above being contaminated by the Jo Webers
of this world.

Neil and you could go play on NPR Science Friday.

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You are right, I noticed that Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson astrophysicist and personal hero of mine was on the C2C guest list.

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So why dont you suggest to your buddy Neil he take over the DB Cooper case? I tend to think he would. He has all the right connections.

Explain?????

Was this cynicism, humor, bitterness…..? Maybe, astrophysical humor (you know about those astro-types).
I think I’ve gotten “over-sensitive” lately.




WOW! Something wierd!

Did you post this later than what I just responded to?

Neil would very quickly separate the operant Cooper
from all the 'dwarf and smurf' Coopers moreover
he is above being contaminated by the Jo Webers
of this world.

Neil and you could go play on NPR Science Friday.

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Neil and you could go play on NPR Science Friday.

NPR is too far left to allow me onboard. Remember…. I’m a wacko gun freak.

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You are right, I noticed that Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson astrophysicist and personal hero of mine was on the C2C guest list.

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So why dont you suggest to your buddy Neil he take over the DB Cooper case? I tend to think he would. He has all the right connections.

Explain?????

Was this cynicism, humor, bitterness…..? Maybe, astrophysical humor (you know about those astro-types).
I think I’ve gotten “over-sensitive” lately.




WOW! Something wierd!

Did you post this later than what I just responded to?

Neil would very quickly separate the operant Cooper
from all the 'dwarf and smurf' Coopers moreover
he is above being contaminated by the Jo Webers
of this world.

Neil and you could go play on NPR Science Friday.

No Im serious. I doubt that Neil would take this on in any serious way due to lack of time, but on
the other hand he just might (fit it in). This is exactly
the kind of thing Neil likes - a real challenge. First
thing Neil would do is wipe all wannabes right off the
slate and start with facts and probabilities and try
connect the evidence, and bring outside resources
in to get their opinions. Neil just loves turning
obscure matters into reality andhe is very good at disgesting mountains of information quickly to
distill out the central issues/facts, example his whole
work on small solar system bodies in order to be able to present a 'classifcation' system for the solar system bodies in his displays at Hayden.

It was the lack of a viable classification system that got him started in this work in the first place. The Cooper case presents an identical confusion in details ...

Neil has the personality for this kind of work and
the more complicated and problematic it gets
(with competiong opinions/claims) the better
Neil likes it. Neil is a linebacker and he likes
social contact and handles it well!

You may not know this but Neil has a very good grasp of the social, cultural, and historical side of
science (astronomy, physics, biology) in addition
to his technical knowledge & skills. This helped make Neil the perfect fit for being the Director at
Hayden, which is a broad educational appointment.

As for NPR and guns, I dont know. Science Friday
is not about that. Flato would see the Cooper case as a forensic challenge with real science at stake.
Ira is sort of immune to wackos also and doesnt
let them hold him back.

Give it a try! Send Neil an email and see if he would be interested. Larry might come on board with this. Until you brought up Tyson it never occurred to me, but he 'might' consider this IF he has the time.
Neil could bring people into this based on his
reputation-qualifications alone ... people I tried to
get interested in the Cooper case but could not.

I just see this as a pretty good fit, actually.
And maybe timely. You have the Cooper website. Neil would consider this after looking at your website.
I think Neil would like the material on your website.
If Neil would get involved it would elevate the level of the whole Cooper discussion, forever.

Those are my thoughts.

I happen to disagree profoundly with Neil's Pluto
typology, but I understand completely why he did what he did, for the sake of displays at Hayden.
Its the scientific 'utility' of his classification that I
and most planetary scientists disagree with. And
science education sometimes is as dependent on cultural traditions as it is pure science. I have exchanged email with Neil about this in the
past... and at NPR. But his Pluto work is a separate
matter from what Im proposing here.

You wont know until you ask but I tend to believe he
would like your website and think a LOT more could be done toward clarifying the Cooper case with a
solution in mind, and at a socially elevated level compared to things in the past - which is a common
complaint.

The time may have arrived when people's dreams
and imaginations and claims get separated from
the real Cooper case as a formal matter, and someone like Neil Tyson could do that.

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You are right, I noticed that Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson astrophysicist and personal hero of mine was on the C2C guest list.

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So why dont you suggest to your buddy Neil he take over the DB Cooper case? I tend to think he would. He has all the right connections.

Explain?????

Was this cynicism, humor, bitterness…..? Maybe, astrophysical humor (you know about those astro-types).
I think I’ve gotten “over-sensitive” lately.




WOW! Something wierd!

Did you post this later than what I just responded to?

Neil would very quickly separate the operant Cooper
from all the 'dwarf and smurf' Coopers moreover
he is above being contaminated by the Jo Webers
of this world.

Neil and you could go play on NPR Science Friday.

No Im serious. I doubt that Neil would take this on in any serious way due to lack of time, but on
the other hand he just might (fit it in). This is exactly
the kind of thing Neil likes - a real challenge. First
thing Neil would do is wipe all wannabes right off the
slate and start with facts and probabilities and try
connect the evidence, and bring outside resources
in to get their opinions. Neil just loves turning
obscure matters into reality andhe is very good at disgesting mountains of information quickly to
distill out the central issues/facts, example his whole
work on small solar system bodies in order to be able to present a 'classifcation' system for the solar system bodies in his displays at Hayden.

It was the lack of a viable classification system that got him started in this work in the first place. The Cooper case presents an identical confusion in details ...

Neil has the personality for this kind of work and
the more complicated and problematic it gets
(with competiong opinions/claims) the better
Neil likes it. Neil is a linebacker and he likes
social contact and handles it well!

You may not know this but Neil has a very good grasp of the social, cultural, and historical side of
science (astronomy, physics, biology) in addition
to his technical knowledge & skills. This helped make Neil the perfect fit for being the Director at
Hayden, which is a broad educational appointment.

As for NPR and guns, I dont know. Science Friday
is not about that. Flato would see the Cooper case as a forensic challenge with real science at stake.
Ira is sort of immune to wackos also and doesnt
let them hold him back.

Give it a try! Send Neil an email and see if he would be interested. Larry might come on board with this. Until you brought up Tyson it never occurred to me, but he 'might' consider this IF he has the time.
Neil could bring people into this based on his
reputation-qualifications alone ... people I tried to
get interested in the Cooper case but could not.

I just see this as a pretty good fit, actually.
And maybe timely. You have the Cooper website. Neil would consider this after looking at your website.
I think Neil would like the material on your website.
If Neil would get involved it would elevate the level of the whole Cooper discussion, forever.

Those are my thoughts.

I happen to disagree profoundly with Neil's Pluto
typology, but I understand completely why he did what he did, for the sake of displays at Hayden.
Its the scientific 'utility' of his classification that I
and most planetary scientists disagree with. And
science education sometimes is as dependent on cultural traditions as it is pure science. I have exchanged email with Neil about this in the
past... and at NPR. But his Pluto work is a separate
matter from what Im proposing here.

You wont know until you ask but I tend to believe he
would like your website and think a LOT more could be done toward clarifying the Cooper case with a
solution in mind, and at a socially elevated level compared to things in the past - which is a common
complaint.

The time may have arrived when people's dreams
and imaginations and claims get separated from
the real Cooper case as a formal matter, and someone like Neil Tyson could do that.

I fail to see what your "gun issue" has to do with any of this, but each to his own I guess. Could it be
the real issue is ownership and control, issues which
have always politicised everything to the detriment
of the glacial movement of Human progress?

Cooper hijacked an airplane. That is a public issue,
not a private one for private gain?

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Neil and you could go play on NPR Science Friday.

Sluggo: NPR is too far left to allow me onboard. Remember…. I’m a wacko gun freak.

NPR and Ira Flato don't investigate guests' politics before selecting them. It's all about science. My kid was interviewed by Ira Flato on Science Friday. His stance on guns was irrelevant.

Let's see if Neil can be enticed to look at Cooper. It is a hell of a mystery. Physical and social science may hold the key. We sure don't.

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Explain?????

Was this cynicism, humor, bitterness…..? Maybe, astrophysical humor (you know about those astro-types).

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Neil would very quickly separate the operant Cooper
from all the 'dwarf and smurf' Coopers moreover
he is above being contaminated by the Jo Webers

Is Duane a dwarf or a smurf Cooper?

How does one rise above Jo contamination? Where did I go astray?

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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/11/18/335185/tributes-paid-to-thunder-city-pilot-killed-in-lightning-crash.html

So much for my Lightning flight fantasy.

Poor guy. He radioed that he was having hydraulic problems, diverted from the crowded airshow area, then reported that his ejection system was not responding.

For around $30,000 you can ride in a surplus F 104 Starfighter in Fla.

I think I'll stick to planes that can be exited from more easily.

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Neil and you could go play on NPR Science Friday.

Sluggo: NPR is too far left to allow me onboard. Remember…. I’m a wacko gun freak.

NPR and Ira Flato don't investigate guests' politics before selecting them. It's all about science. My kid was interviewed by Ira Flato on Science Friday. His stance on guns was irrelevant.

Let's see if Neil can be enticed to look at Cooper. It is a hell of a mystery. Physical and social science may hold the key. We sure don't.

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My thoughts exactly. The problem you
will run into is whether people like Tyson have the time; another opinion is if this should be done
privately. Someone of Tyson's stature would elevate
the discussion, something badly needed in my
opinion.

BTW: 700,000+ Mediacom users lost their email service early last week and it is still not restored.
A major fiasco now with no date-certain when things
will be restored... their webmail does not even work because there is no email to put up on their webmail
page! Mediacom is pointing the finger at Outlook and Outlook express, in spite of Mediacom also
requiring customers to use that software! Mediacom
tried to "migrate" its email service to a cheaper
provider and everything blew up.. whatever 'migrate'
means in this context. They picked the worst time
possible right now at the Holidays ... Mediacom is
not regulated by any Utility Board in any State where it operates ... that may now change.

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BTW: 700,000+ Mediacom users lost their email service early last week and it is still not restored.

POOF!

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BTW: 700,000+ Mediacom users lost their email service early last week and it is still not restored.

POOF!

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Its a total mess here today with the Mediacom outage.

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Mediacom is pointing the finger at Outlook and Outlook express, in spite of Mediacom also
requiring customers to use that software! Mediacom
tried to "migrate" its email service to a cheaper
provider and everything blew up..

Although I heavily discount conspiracy theories, this isnt the first time a big dollar migration away from a Microsoft product has caused a major blow up. Do those those who leave the flock suffer the pre-programmed wrath of Gates-god? Hope things get fixed soon.

I wonder what the "serious research" Sluggo hinted about is doing?

I recall Galen saying that a sample of Gosset's DNA was available. Wonder it was ever run against the supposed Cooper tie DNA?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.