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(edit) Tom can post anything he wants and it would be useful. Minimally I just want to hear the silver nitrate story, and if anything was found about the damn black bills!

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You answered your own questions about the black
bills ages ago, so go with that. 377 will point out you posted it and scooped everyone. You invented the
Black Bills, so you tell us!



Are you saying that one side of selected bills was painted with a silver nitrate solution (the entire bill), and they eventually blackened? It seems odd since human salt is required for silver nitrate->fingerprints and wet bills would have lost all the salt.

And what about the purple stains?

Do I have the answer but not realize it?

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Jerry lamented to Sluggo:
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Slugo. Your an extremely intelligent man. There is no doubt.And I'm sure your good at what you do.So try to understand why I'm upset with the airing Of national geo's documentary.There was more than one person involved with this research in March.What upsets me is the fact that Tom went public with a theory that had not been discussed with anyone else on the team.Furthermore,the theory he used was "to say the least"unbelievable.I was under the impression that he would discuss any theory that he would go public with before he did so.This did not happen.So what he did was make a statment that indicated the results of the teams research. Believe me I felt betrayed. Now I have to explain to everyone that it is not the findings of the research.And not everyone agree's with Toms Statement. It is embarrasing. Jerry



Jerry:
Unfortunately this is how "they" do business and I am not just talking about the producers of National Geographics if you get my drift.. If you dig REAL hard - you might find that Tom had NO CHOICE - he was told what to say by someone else or they altered it to make it sound like this was his findings. Understand I have NOT seen the segment and only judging by personal experience regarding certain things I and others have found over the yrs and by what has been said by you in the above statement.

I know you do not buy into what I am saying and others do not, but believe me it has happened to others besides Tom.. You are just now getting a hint that all is not exactly as you have presumed it to be. The only thing that kept me going was the value I placed on "Truth" and refusing to be co-erced by you or anyone else.

I trusted you to help and where did that get me - for some reason you didn't "GET" the places I tried desperately to relay to you yrs ago. Hence I too felt betrayed by that. Especially that night on the phone when you treated me so badly not too long ago...and that you consistently have called me a story teller and that I am lieing.
I promise you and swear to you I am not lieing - I have been misled by theories trying to find the answers to everything that happened...regarding Duane during his life time and since his death...trying to put together a giant puzzle that spanned the yrs from 1944 (eligible for parole in 1 day) to his death in 1995. The Commutation of Sentence that makes NO sense with his prior records. The list is endless and repetitive.

Get over it and take a different direction and depend on no one but yourself. Most important don't allow yourself to be led by me or anyone else.

This is probably the nicest post you will ever get from me...because I do feel for the position you have been placed in.
Been there done that.
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Snowmman. Seriously. I respect you and think the world of you.Your comment's and Ideas are great.Enough said. Jerry



Fair enough. Back in the thread, when I called you an idiot, I really thought that just based on your posts. But more of you is coming thru now, and I realize I was wrong. I do want you to know that every time I posted about Vietnam I wondered if it caused any bad memories for you, but I thought it was better for people to see it if they hadn't before. Even if we can't fully understand something, doesn't mean we should sweep it under the rug and never talk about it, at least at some level. So that's what I was thinking.

I was really surprised to find that picture of a tanker spraying agent orange, almost on top of the guy taking the picture.

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Snowmman. Seriously. I respect you and think the world of you.Your comment's and Ideas are great.Enough said. Jerry



Another lesson Jerry - Never apologize for doing what you
"thought" was right. Never let yourself be led. Read my post just prior to your last post.
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Snowmman. Nam was a nightmare I live with.Yes a lot of thing' took place over there. Yes the chemical ( agent Orange) efected a lot of soldier's. That war Is still killing the people that was there. However here is a thought that most people do not realize.except for the nam vet's. Yes agent orange has killed a lot of american's. Do you ever hear about the children that live's in that country. Or how many Babbies died from desease caused by us. No ! However that is what people don't realize.Most people care only about themselves I do Not and never can. What I think about is how to make thing's better for all. WoW Sorry I didn't mean to say this much. Jerry

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I do have big feet
What about Jo: mentally unstable and hateful, or not, or just one or the other?



Oops! You stepped into this one:
You have very large feet? You do know what they say about men with big feet - it is true?


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There are only two things that Jo ever said, that interest me.

1) She way way back in the thread, talked about an exhumation and a search by the FBI. We never heard more about that rumor.

2) She said the night clerk had China in his background.




Number 1.
Please direct me to that post.

Number 2.
I do not know what the night clerks' connection to China may have consisted of prior to 2001 when he first contacted me. He does speak and understand the language enough to teach English to the Chinese, which is what he has been doing over the past few yrs.

I presently do not know how to reach him as he is back in China, but WE have some more pictures for him to view - so I will be making an effort to contact him and will ask about his connections to China. Maybe he just like Chinese Women! His second wife was Chinese.

Oh I forgot - mentally unstable and hateful? I like any woman have my moments, but I am not mentally unstable. This Cooper thing for 14 yrs has been enough to drive someone crazy then sandwich in making a living along with taking care of an ill spouse and loosing my second husband in 12 yrs - NOT many women could do that and still devote the time I have to resolving Cooper/Weber, not to mention being called a delusional liar and standing my ground.
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okay thanks Jo.
Yeah, just random coincidences. They happen and can be disconcerting.

It would be really really strange if it turned out Duane was in any way involved with the Cooper thing. It seems so unlikely. He definitely wasn't the jumper. I was wondering if Cooper lived, if it was possible that Duane somehow got an inkling of the story from Cooper.

Waugh and Peterson were good suspects if you believe in those kinds of profiles. (funny how people have different reactions to "naming" possible suspects. Anyone "named" is most likely not Cooper, so what's the big deal?)

What the heck, any profile could be right I guess. Ckret's profile might be correct.

I really need to let go of this. What's amazing to me, is that more than 1 year later, there is no information or reasoning that didn't exist when I started here.

Basically everything is exactly the same as it was. None of Ckret's theories are more or less plausible than anything else.

No new evidence or data revealed. For all this talk of the FBI revealing new info, it's gone nowhere, really. (edit) Same with "dream team". No evidence, data or even new theories. (propeller I guess is new)

I guess I learned some things.

It's really hard for me to understand why Jerry is so confident he'll find something from Cooper in the woods somewhere. Jerry's confident about his water theory and flight path. If Jerry is confident about it, why not Tom? (or is Tom?)

Nothing makes sense. We get a documentary made, and we basically discount everything in it in 48 hours. (although, Ckret got by with his comic books..although he no longer said loadmaster or ANY profile, really. He went light on saying Cooper was an idiot, and offering no theory other than Cooper probably died. (didn't say in water or land or what..mostly based on not finding anything..although I didn't understand that reasoning).

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It would be really really strange if it turned out Duane was in any way involved with the Cooper thing. It seems so unlikely. He definitely wasn't the jumper. I was wondering if Cooper lived, if it was possible that Duane somehow got an inkling of the story from Cooper.




You didn't answer MY question, but I will answer the senario you just posed. NO. An emphatic NO.Why? Because I know where you are headed with this, - As early as 1996 I was telling the FBI about a man in a white VAN/TRUCK around 1970 in Georgia and his wife claiming not to know where Duane went with this man for wk-ends at a time. This man was in the hospital in the Atlanta area around that time also. The times in S.C. (1968 - 1969) that Duane would leave for wks at a time but always sent money home.

I have repeatedly told the FBI about what happened right after Duane was released from Jefferson and what he claimed to have in his possession. I told them about a 1982 trip to a Memphis - an odd trip that made no sense and about something that made an appearance in our lives at that time...rather after he had no place to conceal it and had to bring it into the house.

Now we will go to a senario of my own: You decide in your own mine if it is theory or a riddle or a puzzle or is it the truth:

I know more - more I never told because it didn't need to be told and because of the harm it could cause to others who were innocent of any crime, but also victims...but I didn't understand the connection of this to Cooper.

There are moles and there are spooks .... and there are users.
Prior to 1971 - someone committed an unspeakable crime and paid the price. He got hurt where it would hurt the most, because the victims could not report his unspeakable crime for reasons of their own.

NO 377 - I will not talk about the above on the web - I cannot talk about this. Someday when the time is right - maybe. Will I tell the FBI ? Only if they provide me with specific detail that I will need before hand and keep the information out of the media. As I said before - the FBI and others probably had NO idea they held the key to Cooper's identity.......

Thank you, Anna - it took a long time to find you. Sorry about the mix-up. We need to ask Al to play You'll Never Know, If You Don't Know Now.

All of this from a Teasing, delusional, mentally unstable, fantasizing, crazy, liar, looking for 15 minutes of a fame...and on top of that an old broad.
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Jo,

I wish just once you would deliver the evidence you promise. Just once.

You always come up with excuses. Now you are protecting the victims of "unspeakable crimes".

How noble of you. Why protect the perpetrator? You can keep the victims names confidential.

Looks like you are back on the "Duane had possession of the rifle used to kill Martin Luther King" story. For a petty crook Duane sure got around is all I can say.

As for the idea that you can dictate the terms under which the FBI can examine allegedly key NORJACK evidence who do you think you are to expect such favored treatment?

I used to wonder why Jerry seemed so mean to you. Now I am less baffled. I still believe you are sincere but you are also obsessed with control. It allows you to maintain belief in an obsession that would never withstand the scrutiny of the public.

You said unequivocally that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. You promised to share your evidence. Now you equivocate and backtrack coming up with noble excuses for your failure to keep your promise.

OK, I get it. It is always going to be this way. You won't change. If you did you couldn't hold on to the illusion that a lying petty crook conned you into thinking he was a big shot A list mastermind criminal, a folk hero and yes, actually an admired person in the eyes of many.

Duane never parachuted from anything let alone a 727 on a dark and stormy night. If it comforts you to think otherwise that's OK, but stop teasing us with false claims of proof.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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If Jo had any real smoking gun she would release it immediately. She clings to the hope that someday she will have that crucial piece of information to tie Duane to the case. I give her credit, she never gives up looking for angles that will help her reach her goal.

Check this guy out, Went missing in 1971...too bad he is too short to be Cooper. Has the same type of face and age appropriate...

http://www.marylandmissing.com/images/Ellis.pdf

Orange, where did you go??

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If we're going to pressure anyone to release evidence, it should be Tom.

Basically the same game is going on there..hints of data, evidence, stuff. Release of theories that are immediately denied. Promises of "just wait till the paper is published and then I'll disclose fully."

I know you guys like Tom, but if you step back and look at it, Tom and Jo are playing the same game. (Tom not so bad, and not for so long).

Tom is different though, because the FBI gave him dollar bills. No one else on the planet got dollar bills from the FBI. (except Brian, by court order)

I expect this post will be considered mentally unbalanced and/or hateful, or a troll. I'm not sure how to judge it's success as a troll, since people post no matter what I post. So is a troll necessary?

(edit) "A lying petty crook conned you into thinking he was a big shot A list mastermind criminal, a folk hero and yes, actually an admired person in the eyes of many."

Hey! I'm busted!

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Good point about Tom. The thing I find most facinating is that Tom is doing all of his research as a volunteer. If I had given a lot of free time to a cause I would certainly want my opinions to shine through a bit better than they did on the Nat Geo program. Maybe he just got caught up in the hoopla of the production. Maybe Carr brainwashed him.

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If we're going to pressure anyone to release evidence, it should be Tom.

Basically the same game is going on there..hints of data, evidence, stuff. Release of theories that are immediately denied. Promises of "just wait till the paper is published and then I'll disclose fully."



Jo has stated her conclusion (Duane Weber was Dan Cooper) promised proof and predictably failed to deliver it.

What conclusion has Tom put forward? He teases, but I dont think he has done what Jo has done. If Tom has a conclusion I don't know what it is. I think it is unfair to stick him with that looney propeller snag theory. He was careless in his speech but I don't think he really believes that explanation for upriver transport.

You know I really can see why Snow is pissed off about Tom getting Cooper currency samples from the FBI. Snow should get some too, but he never ever will.

Kissing butt does pay Snow, in blackened twenties.;)

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Check this guy out, Went missing in 1971...too bad he is too short to be Cooper. Has the same type of face and age appropriate...



http://www.marylandmissing.com/images/Ellis.pdf



If the FBI really thinks Cooper died on the jump they should have put most of their energy into investigating people who went missing around that time. I have thought long and hard about the proposition that someone like Cooper could disappear and not be missed and I no longer believe that is a likely scenario. Cooper wasn't a homeless drifter type. I think he had social connections. If he died someone would miss him. Someone would connect the dots, unless that is, he was domiciled abroad. That changes the equation. A disappearance from a foreign home could be equated with simply staying in the US.

Orange found a guy who went missing in the Pacific NW area around the right time and who generally fit the desription, but there was nothing linking him to the crime.

Orange herself has apparently gone missing. Orange1, please report to manifest.

377
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Orange1 was taken out by some of the people that were in the Scorpions, that were fired in January, 2009.
This was done on orders from ex-CIA personnel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpions_(South_Africa)

The rumor is, that the Scorpions were disbanded as a result of info leaked on DZ.com about the South Africa nuke program, and it's connection to MKULTRA, Cooper, CIA and Vietnam.

Naturally, they have a grudge as a result.

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The reason I havent called is because Ive been
doing a lot of quick networking in the background, following Bruce's report. I now have some results
for anyone to use:

Jerry, there are diatom experts familiar with the
Columbia basin (Portland & environs). One of these
is: Dr. Eileen Hemphill-Haley at Humbolt Univ. who
has been doing diatom research on the Columbia
since around 1994; she has an extensive slide collection and has already collected samples from
from a variety of lakes and streams adjacent to
the Columbia. She can also provide contacts for
others who have done similar (forensic) research
in the same area. It is very likely a diatom data
base already exists which any Cooper-related
samples could be compared with.

Tides: Tidal pools and areas affected by tides and
diatoms might intersect. I am not saying they do.
Evidentiary diatoms would have to shown to exist
in the first place.

We can communicate privately when it is
appropriate.

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Orange herself has apparently gone missing. Orange1, please report to manifest.

377



Landed out and had to walk 5 miles through the snow back to the DZ :P

been away for a day and came back to find something like 5 new pages of posts... akin to hiking 5 miles through the snow, uphill, with a rig on your back and a full weight belt ;):)
still trying to absorb the stuff!!
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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377 - Regarding your views on a missing person. The more I contemplate the situation the more I think Cooper may have been from Canada. Possibly from the Quebec area. That would also tie into the Comic book theory, because it was printed in French. I wonder if the FBI ever went looking outside the USA. I have been trying to get a list of missing persons from that time in the Quebec area, but so far have come up empty.

I totally agree with you on the idea that he was not a loner. He was probably a pretty successful guy.

Anyone ever wonder what happened to the briefcase? If he did water land and had the briefcase that thing would float would it not?

Welcome Back Orange :-)

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Anyone ever wonder what happened to the briefcase?



I think he tossed the bomb stuff before he jumped. Whether he kept the briefcase is an open question. I dont think it would float for long if it went in the water. It would be easy to test.

There is Cooper stuff out there just waiting for somebody to find it. The bomb, the briefcase, and the rig are out there somewhere,

Snow wonders why Jerry thinks he will be the person who finds it. It is just optimism. When my son was about three and a half he used to "search for treasure" just walking around with me on the sidewalks and in parks. He was 100% sure he would find some. He actually did find many coins that escaped his parent's attention.

Jerry's chances are very small, after all he is just one person searching a huge area for items that are almost certainly highly obscured from a visual standpoint. I do admire his optimism. Nothing wrong with optimism.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The Canadian theory has been brought up a couple of times, I certainly wouldn't discount it. It fits (some theories) in a number of ways (French, area, military cooperation with US, etc).

(btw, off topic, I should probably mention i have very little experience hiking in snow. i should probably have used beach sand which is most certainly a bitch to hike in with a rig and weight belt...on a hot summer's day...but i digress)
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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