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QuoteQuoteI repeatedly tried to dsecribe this to the dogmatic Jerry Thomas, but he marches to his own drummer.
My guy is going to go the river I have kept telling and telling Jerry was the place - but I couldn't find where it connected to the place Duane took me to - we are talking about 6000 ft between this river and the tributary (run-off) that Duane took me to. It doesn't show on any map BUT it is there.
OK Jo, another big claim: a creek that doesn't show on any map. It would literally amaze me if that statement were proven true. With radar topo mapping satellites giving precise elevations of every square foot of the US how was this creek missed?
You have made your claim. Now give your proof. Google Earth should show it clearly, unless they too are part of the conspiracy.
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I guess I am not coming across in written words correctly. I have only the maps that Sluggo brought to me and some old black and whites sent to me yrs ago. I just do not have any luck reading the things on a computer - I need an actual map infront of me.
There is what I call a tributary (draining ditch in Fl like the one in my back yard - it is fed by a spring so it never drys up but it also carries run-off from other areas). I do not know what feeds the one in WA. There is a creek about 6000 ft N. of where the tributary (perhaps what I call a tributary is something else in WA) starts on the map. I don't understand where the water is coming from on the map - it just starts in the woods but doesn't connect to the river and a pond in that area 5000 to 6000 ft.
I don't literally mean someone doesn't want me to find it - but, I was told that the body of water I was trying to describe on the phone to others just did not exist. This is because NO one understood what I was TRYING desperately to convey having only seen it ONE time in my life. I couldn't even get the TV Crew guide to understand what I was TRYING to tell them. The young man had only been in the area for a couple of yrs as a student - he didn't "get" what I was trying to describe. No one did except the Angel Udell - and she was my miracle that I asked for when I threw that flower into the Columbia.
I am not saying there was a "conspiracy" to keep me away from that area - but I COULDN'T MAKE anyone understand what I was trying to say and obviously I still can't make myself understood. No one is sitting in front of me with the map in my hands so I can show them what I am talking about.
Names and numbers of roads where thrown at me like I am supposed to know them. I didn't and the maps that show the rivers and streams has little detail large enough for me to read to get road names. I have to go to an old black and white which does NOT show that area in any detail to get the roads and it doesn't show them the way they are today. The quadrant map that Sluggo ordered for me - I pasted them together to see the area of my search and now I need another piece going further East to see where that river went - but I believe it runs into the Washougal or maybe it runs the other way - the flow of the rivers has been described to me in very very confusing ways. It might seem simple to you guys and makes me look foolish trying to describe it - you need to be sitting in front of me.
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Jo perhaps you should mind your own buisness And stop building stories and creating new features for your book Jerry
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See attached of pdx. Were these the only runways
in 1971?
Yes.
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Can you identify any of these?
It is the current configuration with an additional runway that I'm guessing was designated 14/32. The end of Runway 14 is still visible near the Northeast side of the airport.
QuoteJo perhaps you should mind your own buisness And stop building stories and creating new features for your book Jerry
Who is building a story? What did you tell me in a recent phone call?
"Are you going to deny that you told me they now have "COMPLETE DNA' on Cooper.
Are you going to deny that you told me they have found parts of the bank bag"?
Are you going to deny that you claimed that Georger was a billionaire who created the first DNA labs?
Folks, I would have no reason to make these things up - because they fly in the face of what I claim.
I am asked to prove what I say - can you prove what you said in that phone conversation or will you deny it? I would have NO reason to lie or make-up such a story as it flies in the face of what I have claimed. Therefore it is now up to you to prove what you told me.
I was not going to reveal any of that conversation on the forum, but your statement about ME building Stories or Creating New Features for a book was the last draw.
Georger:
If what Jerry said is true about you then I am sorry for revealing your position, but try to understand that I have been force to make my stand because of Jerry's accusations. Nothing I have ever said needs to be defended by a lie...
Folks:
It has been a privilege to post on this forum, but I am tired of being called a liar and accused of fabricating things. Should anyone wish to contact me they can do so at
Homes4ubyjo@aol.com.
I will read the forum, but I have other pressing things in my life and do not want to spend what is left of my life defending every word I type or speak. Remember this if you remember nothing else - I have told NO lies and I have NO REASON to lie.
PS:
I am not writing a book nor have I commissioned a book to be done. There is talk of a movie, but I have no idea where that will go - Remember there are a lot of Cooper Wannabe's and several books in the mill....one of those book is Jerry's Search. I expect this is the position he is defending. More power to him - if his search for the almighty dollar is more important than the truth.
Jerry's story means having to make me go away. He has used coercive tactics - by finding my push button and that is being called a liar. I can only imagine what a prisoner of war may have experience with such tactics.
I have NO reason to Lie and I have told NO lies.
I am obsessed with only finding the truth - that obsession does not include lieing or calling others liars, nor does it include financial gain.
Now What none of you are aware of:
I KNOW Duane Weber was Dan Cooper - and so did Clara. Clara was the youngest of 3 girls and so was Duane's ex. What he told Clara he showed me. Remember that Max had only 6 conversations with Clara - yet, what I know about the ex and her letters to me reflect the very same syntac as the letter to Max. The syntac of Cooper's notes to Max are also the same as Duane's. I have letters from the ex and I will offer those up to the FBI for comparison to the letter Clara wrote to the FBI. They can only compare the syntac and way of saying things. The letter to the FBI was typed and the ones to me are printed. The ex and Duane did go to N.Y. in the early part of 1972. Max reversed what he did glean from Clara - he gave Cooper a past which he did not have. He reversed things Clara told him - to BUILD a story. Max and I discussed things that where common to Clara and to the ex - after I gave him her name and phone number he went to CA. and ended our communications immediately upon returning. More co-incidences! There were many more there than what I have told.
I expect the FBI might be able to get DNA from the letters she sent me and from the letter they have have in their possession that was sent to Max. I presume he gave the FBI the orginal and the envelope - as that was the practice of the FBI. If Clara and the ex prove to be the same woman - then what - is that just another co-incidence?
The statement about everyone having a little larcency in their hearts - a statement made by Clara in the letter and a statemement made by the ex...just another coincidence and nothing I can prove. The description Clara offered up for the pond and lights and creek are the same as what I was shown - just put on different parts of the map. Max had no way of knowing where Clara was talking about as she was also relating something told to her by Cooper - Max took Clara's words and put them in an area in WA that made sense. He made Clara a resident of Wa.
The rest of the story.
Duane Weber was Dan Cooper.
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Jo,
You don't need to exit the forum. Just ignore accusations. I don't think you are a liar.
What I do not understand is what makes you sure Duane was Cooper. Forget about movies, novels, Max, Clara ... forget all the extraneous stuff. Forget about stuff that COULD be consistent with a well informed wannabe.
Show me ONE UNAMBIGUOUS piece of evidence that proves Duane was Cooper. If you have it, show it.
If you don't have it then you are basing your certainty on speculation. That's OK, but you need to see the difference between proof and speculation. They are not the same thing.
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You don't need to exit the forum. Just ignore accusations. I don't think you are a liar.
What I do not understand is what makes you sure Duane was Cooper. Forget about movies, novels, Max, Clara ... forget all the extraneous stuff. Forget about stuff that COULD be consistent with a well informed wannabe.
Show me ONE UNAMBIGUOUS piece of evidence that proves Duane was Cooper. If you have it, show it.
If you don't have it then you are basing your certainty on speculation. That's OK, but you need to see the difference between proof and speculation. They are not the same thing.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteDuane Weber was Dan Cooper.
No, he wasn't.
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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Are you going to deny that you claimed that Georger was a billionaire who created the first DNA labs?
Georger:
If what Jerry said is true about you then I am sorry for revealing your position, but try to understand that I have been force to make my stand because of Jerry's accusations. Nothing I have ever said needs to be defended by a lie...
Georger:
If what Jerry said is true about you then I am sorry for revealing your position, but try to understand that I have been force to make my stand because of Jerry's accusations. Nothing I have ever said needs to be defended by a lie...
I am almost at a loss for words here -
I have emailed Jerry Thomas and told him never
to contact me again. If you doubt the truth of that
just ask him. I wont be put in the middle of this!
Everything he told you is nonsense. Utter nonsense.
That you would use it and involve innocent people
to get your way or gain some personal advantage
is scorolous.
You must feel victorious at everyone's expense. I have no choice but to leave the forum. It's crazy
here.
Congrats.
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At the end of the day, WHO! is Jo Weber, to be
making all of these claims ands refusing evidence
she says she has?
Whatever Jo Weber is her train wrecks have derailed
everything too many times and clogged up the works
for everyone, actually sent people running for cover
(the old woman throwing grenades again), and I have ceased to care. Wherever Jo goes, nuthin grows or
lives to tell the tale!
d00d!
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At the end of the day, she's just an old woman with a lot of questions and a drive to try to get answers that I only hope I can mirror to a tenth, when I reach her place in life.
Step back and get some perspective...you guys are doing things on a case from the stone age and from what I can tell, opening new avenues of insight almost daily.
Jo started the quest with a simple question regarding the possibility of anyone in the skydiving community having seen, met, heard of, jumped with her late husband.
She got the ball rolling...where it goes from there is more up to you few hardcore posters than anyone else.
Sure static distracts, smile nod and keep surfing!
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
***At the end of the day, she's just an old woman with a lot of questions and a drive to try to get answers that I only hope I can mirror to a tenth, when I reach her place in life.
Step back and get some perspective...you guys are doing things on a case from the stone age and from what I can tell, opening new avenues of insight almost daily.
Jo started the quest with a simple question regarding the possibility of anyone in the skydiving community having seen, met, heard of, jumped with her late husband.
She got the ball rolling...where it goes from there is more up to you few hardcore posters than anyone else.
Sure static distracts, smile nod and keep surfing! ***
Ditto!
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Step back and get some perspective...you guys are doing things on a case from the stone age and from what I can tell, opening new avenues of insight almost daily.
Jo started the quest with a simple question regarding the possibility of anyone in the skydiving community having seen, met, heard of, jumped with her late husband.
She got the ball rolling...where it goes from there is more up to you few hardcore posters than anyone else.
Sure static distracts, smile nod and keep surfing! ***
Ditto!
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NORJAK Forum
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At the end of the day, she's just an old woman with a lot of questions and a drive to try to get answers that I only hope I can mirror to a tenth, when I reach her place in life.
...
Sure static distracts, smile nod and keep surfing!
Jim, It never ceases to amaze me how you sum things up so succinctly and with humor. Usually, you can do it in a few words; here, you did it in a few sentences.
Reading Jo's comments were usually difficult, often scattered and wandering, but her passion and drive was always there. Her passion to answer the question why her ex-husband claimed he was DB is refreshing...even if she is more than a bit grating sometimes. She's dedicated and passionate. Don't we all have that for the skydiving that we love?
She had the unlucky fortune of being thrown into a bunch of the most egotistical, monomaniacal people on the planet: skydivers. From dinosauer skygods to fifty jump wonders she took lots and lots of nasty personal hits.
I agree with Jim: We should all be so lucky that we have her passion for a cause--other than jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!--when we get to be her age.
I mean, when *you-all* get to be her age, I'm already older than she is.
Guru312
I am not DB Cooper
I am not DB Cooper
georger,
Please chill!
Jo cannot hurt you with her words. She has no power over you (and neither does Jerry T). The only power they have is what you give them. If you let them (and their spiteful battle) pull your strings, they win.
As I have expressed to you privately, regardless of our differences, I RESPECT YOU and YOUR INTELLECT. This forum needs you!
My advice:
Crawl up on the keel, right the boat, climb in, get under sail, and put as much distance between you and the “Jerry Springer” show as possible.
Sluggo_Monster (still trying to focus on NORJAK)
PS: Your advice Re: my web-site, is well-taken. It will be after this job assignment is over (09/30/09) before I can take action. I will re-organize it.
It started small, and the organization served well, but my baby ate NORJAK facts until it grew into an awkward teen. I’ll help it become a polished adult.
PPS: Guru312, good to see you post again. You must not be working hard enough!
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Please chill!
Jo cannot hurt you with her words. She has no power over you (and neither does Jerry T). The only power they have is what you give them. If you let them (and their spiteful battle) pull your strings, they win.
As I have expressed to you privately, regardless of our differences, I RESPECT YOU and YOUR INTELLECT. This forum needs you!
My advice:
Crawl up on the keel, right the boat, climb in, get under sail, and put as much distance between you and the “Jerry Springer” show as possible.
Sluggo_Monster (still trying to focus on NORJAK)
PS: Your advice Re: my web-site, is well-taken. It will be after this job assignment is over (09/30/09) before I can take action. I will re-organize it.
It started small, and the organization served well, but my baby ate NORJAK facts until it grew into an awkward teen. I’ll help it become a polished adult.
PPS: Guru312, good to see you post again. You must not be working hard enough!
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What Airtwardo said (and he said it so well).
I give Jo a hard time but never venom or disrespect. She is stubborn as hell but I never doubt her sincerity.
Greetings live from the Sierra Nevada World Music Festival in Boonville California. Three days of the best Reggae music on the planet. The Itals just finished. The vocalist trio ages add up to at least 180 and they concede nothing to the more youthful performers. Incredible roots music. Michael Rose headlines tonight. What a shame Lucky Dube can't be here. This South African Reggae superstar was killed in SA right in front of his kids by thugs who wanted his car.
No demo jumps. Too windy. Even the bold Airtwardo would take a rain check.
I give Jo a hard time but never venom or disrespect. She is stubborn as hell but I never doubt her sincerity.
Greetings live from the Sierra Nevada World Music Festival in Boonville California. Three days of the best Reggae music on the planet. The Itals just finished. The vocalist trio ages add up to at least 180 and they concede nothing to the more youthful performers. Incredible roots music. Michael Rose headlines tonight. What a shame Lucky Dube can't be here. This South African Reggae superstar was killed in SA right in front of his kids by thugs who wanted his car.
No demo jumps. Too windy. Even the bold Airtwardo would take a rain check.
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Are you going to deny that you claimed that Georger was a billionaire who created the first DNA labs?
Georger:
If what Jerry said is true about you then I am sorry for revealing your position, but try to understand that I have been force to make my stand because of Jerry's accusations. Nothing I have ever said needs to be defended by a lie...
I am almost at a loss for words here -
I have emailed Jerry Thomas and told him never
to contact me again. If you doubt the truth of that
just ask him. I wont be put in the middle of this!
Everything he told you is nonsense. Utter nonsense.
That you would use it and involve innocent people
to get your way or gain some personal advantage
is scorolous.
You must feel victorious at everyone's expense. I have no choice but to leave the forum. It's crazy
here.
Congrats.
Georger I am truely sorry I had to do that, I was not trying to be victorious at your expense (you had told me NOT to PM you). Jerry has had a field day at the expense of my sanity - put yourself in my place when Jerry calls me a liar many times over. He didn't care who he hurt as long as he could make me look bad and what he did was beyond (using your words) to get his way and gain some personal advantage.
I don't even know what scorolous means - but hopefully it means an intentional act of hurting others. The statement should apply to Jerry - I was acting in self-defense.
You have NOT heard the threats Jerry made to me over the phone - he reduced me to begging - literally begging him to please stop what he was saying about me, because he knew calling me a liar was the most hurtful thing he could do to me.
I am guessing that what he said about you is true, because otherwise you would not be so upset. Continue to post, because you are needed - I am not. I posted my personal e-mail in what I expected to be my last post - but, I am back today to apologize to you for what you must think of me. Believe me - I didn't know it was true - I expected you to come back with "You're Lieing" the way Jerry does.
As I said I have other things I am willing to offer up to the FBI - if they have DNA on Clara from the letter sent to Max. Geoffrey Gray has tried to find Max's files on Clara and Cooper to no avail. Clara's description of Cooper includes glasses - very well hidden in the text of Max's book.
It is amazing when you let your mind go back in time and back to the very beginning...I am reading things in that book I read, but did not revisit after talking to a former wife extensively and doing other research. It is as though I am reading if for the first time now....and wish that Max was still alive, so he could answer all of these New Questions I now have.
I am going to make another post later today and it will be my last post - I just need to think about what I should and need to say. Mostly THANK YOU to everyone and that I someday have the privilege and honor to meet the majority of you personally.
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See attached of pdx. Were these the only runways
in 1971? Can you identify any of these?