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QuoteI'll post some quotes from the Barb book. I'm protected by copyright law, in the context of a book review.
Anyone who has the book can confirm the accuracy of my quotes.
Page 8
"As our friendship grew we became aware that besides her abilities as a pilot and mechanic, Barb seemed to have knowledge on a wide variety of subjects. No matter what topic arose she seemed to have something interesting to add to the conversation. Still, she was not a braggart and would often start her sentences with "Well, I don't know for sure, but .." or "I think I heard somewhere that ..." Sometimes after a stimulating discussion on a complex subject such as the making of the atomic bomb, the theories of electricity or the workings of a computer I would get out the encyclopedia to see if what she said was accurate. She always proved to be absolutely correct. I came to the conclusion that she must do a lot of reading, but she denied that to be true.
(ed. note. It is very unlikely that a research librarian would do a lot of reading. It is interesting she had no negative personality quirks, like being a braggart)
To a 5 year old, an 8 years old is an expert & wise.
Everything is context driven, including you.
georger 268
QuoteAnother poster stated:
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They talked about how some agents thought the magazines weren't processed properly. The author says Cooper was seen reading the magazines while they were circling Seattle, but unclear if that's true based on what Ckret said.
They said the prints found were unusable (which they expected) as Ckret said. They didn't mention getting prints off the magazines, although I think maybe the FBI guys were holding back, thinking maybe they did get something off the magazines.
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I stated as a reply with the following:QuoteI give up, the FBI will not listen to me and a lot of this is not in their "secret" files. For 13 yrs they have done nothing but try to discredit me.
I have been lied to by several individuals recently - How STUPID I am to allow myself to be used. One has deliberately tried to manuever me and for the most part was sucessful. The other is someone I trusted - but he lied to me and I trusted him. No one tells the truth anymore - everyone is out just for themselves and the FBI doesn't want this case solved.
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Georger posted:QuoteJo you really do need to stop relying on third and fifth party gossip handed down from morons. It gets you into trouble every time. You ran out of 1st hand reliable info 12 years ago, in Salt Lake City. This really has become shabby and crude!
TO ALL from Jo:
Lots of the information here is 3 and 5 party "gossip". Take for instance the part about the magazines Cooper supposedly was reading. I did not take that as a truth because I had never heard it before. I DID take that chance to put in my supposition regarding the books in my possession,
I do NOT know were those books came from or if he read them on the plane. I know they came into my home in 1990 and placed in plain site. I know that one of these books came out of the OR and WA area - "due to the contributor population". I know one of the books has water damage on the lower quarter (the book with the pic in it). I know he was protective of these books because I used one of them for a specific purpose and he asked me to be careful with this book...do NOT even ask what the purpose was - because I will not tell anyone at this time.
I take information (true of false) as it come thru the media or the fourm or elsewhere and process it with the things I have and with the memories I have of my time with Duane and that trip. This should not be something to discredit me with, but doing exactly what everyone else does to prove or disprove something I know or have knowledge of.
To do this I have to make suppositions and wait for the feed back...for example the information about the magazines - my chance to theorize how and why those books meant so much to him. I do not know where those books came from, but my goal is to find out if they have anything to do with Cooper.
Did Duane use rubbers?
snowmman 3
Hi Georger,
I'll be serious for a second.
I was wondering if you can't see the sarcasm in my Barb posts.
I'm assuming it's obvious.
Based on the long history of posts, I actually can't tell what your reaction is.
Yes I'm clueless.
You do see the sarcasm, right?
(edit) The quotes are exactly correct. I was highlighting how the author puts in little touches to try to tug at the reader in certain ways. The book consists of an endless stream of those tugs, which is supposed to translate to truth. As opposite to a small, simple set of facts. It's characteristic of the false confessor books.
(edit) In rereading your post, I guess you do. I've gotten used to assuming that there's some insult to some poster or the other, and looks like I misread your message. You're worse than me!
I'll be serious for a second.
I was wondering if you can't see the sarcasm in my Barb posts.
I'm assuming it's obvious.
Based on the long history of posts, I actually can't tell what your reaction is.
Yes I'm clueless.
You do see the sarcasm, right?
(edit) The quotes are exactly correct. I was highlighting how the author puts in little touches to try to tug at the reader in certain ways. The book consists of an endless stream of those tugs, which is supposed to translate to truth. As opposite to a small, simple set of facts. It's characteristic of the false confessor books.
(edit) In rereading your post, I guess you do. I've gotten used to assuming that there's some insult to some poster or the other, and looks like I misread your message. You're worse than me!
georger 268
Quote" jumped from near the top step" ..........hmmm i think i have to call bullshit on that one. he,she,or it,would have hit the rest of the stairs.
Thank God! Somebody has their radar working here!
georger 268
QuoteQuoteThat Question I will not answer until I sit down with the witnesses Tina and Florence..behind closed doors....
Is that likely to be the case in the near future?
When Hell freezes over.
But I do owe you an apology, maybe, and for that
be aware people have been contacted at PDX and at Continental trying to get Bohan's flight report filed at
PDX appx 8:56pm PST 11-24-71. If H or Larry dont have a copy which I doubt. Two who knew Bohan well
are helping. Bohan knew the PDX Manager "Hastings"
well. It was Hastings who paved the way for Bohan to
meet with Ralph. I havent talked to Ralph about this
but Im conifdent enough of the information to post it.
We intend to get to the bottom of the Bohan report, one way or another ...
georger 268
QuoteHi Georger,
I'll be serious for a second.
I was wondering if you can't see the sarcasm in my Barb posts.
I'm assuming it's obvious.
Based on the long history of posts, I actually can't tell what your reaction is.
Yes I'm clueless.
You do see the sarcasm, right?
(edit) The quotes are exactly correct. I was highlighting how the author puts in little touches to try to tug at the reader in certain ways. The book consists of an endless stream of those tugs, which is supposed to translate to truth. As opposite to a small, simple set of facts. It's characteristic of the false confessor books.
(edit) In rereading your post, I guess you do. I've gotten used to assuming that there's some insult to some poster or the other, and looks like I misread your message. You're worse than me!
Barb was a serious person and not Cooper. Im a little
disappointed the Formans are not as serious as Barb!
Barn had serious issues - what are the Forman's excuse?
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No apologies.
My motto:
Beat thy own meat, not that of others....
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
My motto:
Beat thy own meat, not that of others....
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
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Another Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.
And she was supposed by her adoring gullible friends to be a computer and nuke power expert? Give me a break.
Went to the DZ today. Getting too lazy doing just tunnel flying. Made a nice long solo from 18k. Sweet, even if a bit chilly.
Saw an old aquaintance on the load. Told me his wife had left and had married another jumper we both knew from the same DZ. Nothing much has changed other than the gear and planes.
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And she was supposed by her adoring gullible friends to be a computer and nuke power expert? Give me a break.
Went to the DZ today. Getting too lazy doing just tunnel flying. Made a nice long solo from 18k. Sweet, even if a bit chilly.
Saw an old aquaintance on the load. Told me his wife had left and had married another jumper we both knew from the same DZ. Nothing much has changed other than the gear and planes.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
QuoteQuoteHi Georger,
I'll be serious for a second.
I was wondering if you can't see the sarcasm in my Barb posts.
I'm assuming it's obvious.
Based on the long history of posts, I actually can't tell what your reaction is.
Yes I'm clueless.
You do see the sarcasm, right?
(edit) The quotes are exactly correct. I was highlighting how the author puts in little touches to try to tug at the reader in certain ways. The book consists of an endless stream of those tugs, which is supposed to translate to truth. As opposite to a small, simple set of facts. It's characteristic of the false confessor books.
(edit) In rereading your post, I guess you do. I've gotten used to assuming that there's some insult to some poster or the other, and looks like I misread your message. You're worse than me!
Barb was a serious person and not Cooper. Im a little
disappointed the Formans are not as serious as Barb!
Barn had serious issues - what are the Forman's excuse?
Okay, it sounds like you may have read the book too, because you're responding the same way I did. Either the Formans are gullible, or they're trying to pull a fast one: i.e. they know the story is implausible, but they want to tell it with a straight face, and think "well it could be true" and think they're doing Barb a favor, and making some money at the same time.
Reading it made me feel negative towards the Formans, sorry for Barb, and pissed off that there's yet another thing that feeds the maw of Cooper speculation, and then we have journalist coming in and saying "why the dis" and "what do you expect from a good journalist".
Fact checking is a good start. The bomb description is wrong and bad.
I will give Barb credit for one thing. She knew explosives. She knew she'd want 6v like I've said before. Way to go Barb.
How many of Barb's stories were true? How many BS? Who knows. Doesn't matter. She's dead. Would have been better to help sort things out with her while she was alive.
Actually makes me wonder why Barb and the Formans weren't closer. There's this sense of closeness that's attempting to be described in the book. But if they were really close, I can't imagine the level of BS that existed. (you can tell when they describe their interactions).
Who knows. Human interactions can be indecipherable.
snowmman 3
QuoteAnother Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.
It was insane.
Now you've soldered a bit.
Can you imagine anyone, who thought enough about the problem, to solder the joint, and decide "staple remover" when it came time to pick a switch.
Talk about an unreliable switch! It might accidently close in your pocket.
And the contacts are unreliable! A staple remover has jaws that go past each other with incidental sliding contact.
And you can't solder to the plated steel on a staple remover!!!
A switch is so inexpensive at the hardware store.
Even those, would more likely be simple screw down contacts.
It's like she was lying in their face, and they just kept buying the story. Maybe she was trying to keep going bigger and bigger all the time with her stories, to see just when people would say "no way".
Odd. definitely.
But there are lots of odd people like that. We only hear about the ones who additionally say "I'm Cooper" and are connected to someone who then thinks it's worth their time to run a PR campaign for them.
(edit) 377: Hey no fair demonstrating you know how to have a life! :)
georger 268
well I really dont want to comment out ofQuoteAnother Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.
And she was supposed by her adoring gullible friends to be a computer and nuke power expert? Give me a break.
Went to the DZ today. Getting too lazy doing just tunnel flying. Made anice long solo from 18k. Sweet, even if a bit chilly.
Saw an old aquaintance on the load. Told me his wife had left and had married another jumper we both knew from the same DZ. Nothing much has changed other than the gear and planes.
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respect of people's feelings. Saying that was too much.
The thing about Barb that people are missing is it
would make a wonderful story just as she was, with
the right author. Would even be a contribution to
literature. Might even win an award. Barb's story is
part of the human condition. Its a story worth telling.
We had a hermit that lived on my grandparent;s
north section when I was a kid. The man was a WWI
vet (like Benny Ambrose in Boundary Waters area of MN) He had relatives that saw to his welfare. I learned
more about nature from this guy than almost any
other person in my background. People like this
werent uncommon back in the 40s & 50s. Bachelors
chosing to live close to Nature. People forget how things used to be -
Im not going to make a big deal about this but if
I were the Formans I would take a different track
with the Barb story. They may have been fortunate
to know Barb and she had things to teach us.
Thats all Im going to say.
georger 268
QuoteQuoteAnother Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.
It was insane.
Now you've soldered a bit.
Can you imagine anyone, who thought enough about the problem, to solder the joint, and decide "staple remover" when it came time to pick a switch.
Talk about an unreliable switch! It might accidently close in your pocket.
And the contacts are unreliable! A staple remover has jaws that go past each other with incidental sliding contact.
And you can't solder to the plated steel on a staple remover!!!
A switch is so inexpensive at the hardware store.
Even those, would more likely be simple screw down contacts.
It's like she was lying in their face, and they just kept buying the story. Maybe she was trying to keep going bigger and bigger all the time with her stories, to see just when people would say "no way".
Odd. definitely.
But there are lots of odd people like that. We only hear about the ones who additionally say "I'm Cooper" and are connected to someone who then thinks it's worth their time to run a PR campaign for them.
(edit) 377: Hey no fair demonstrating you know how to have a life! :)
This is beginning to sound like Cane Mutiny - Bogart.
Ball bearings. Strawberries, And soldering. Mutiny.
I didnt realise soldering was crucial?
Cooper had a grudge. A mutiny?
Orange1 0
QuoteSo if you didn't see Duane reading these books, then perhaps he read them on the plane, and already knew the contents.
Did he write in these books?
It's interesting they never got bent.
I would have expected he would have buried them with the money, rather than take them with him on the escape. Maybe they were buried with the money for a while?
But if he buried them with the money, then how did he retrieve them, since he forgot where most of the money was buried.
Maybe he buried them with some of the money, the part he retrieved and threw away. But why not throw away the books?
Very confusing. Maybe the confusion is an indication that they may have a lot of encoded information by their very presence.
Ooh I bet one of them is a bird book, with cryptic notes jotted down in the margin that all Mean Something.
Am I the only one who thinks it is a complete leap of (il)logic to go from (apparently) 5th hand accounts of Cooper reading a magazine, to concluding that some arbitrary books in possession must have been what was read on the plane (by someone who probably wasn't even there)?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
snowmman 3
QuoteQuoteSo if you didn't see Duane reading these books, then perhaps he read them on the plane, and already knew the contents.
Did he write in these books?
It's interesting they never got bent.
I would have expected he would have buried them with the money, rather than take them with him on the escape. Maybe they were buried with the money for a while?
But if he buried them with the money, then how did he retrieve them, since he forgot where most of the money was buried.
Maybe he buried them with some of the money, the part he retrieved and threw away. But why not throw away the books?
Very confusing. Maybe the confusion is an indication that they may have a lot of encoded information by their very presence.
Ooh I bet one of them is a bird book, with cryptic notes jotted down in the margin that all Mean Something.
I'm seriously trying to think it thru.
Now if it was buried with the money which decomposed because of water infiltration, then the book likely decomposed also. Maybe not the cover if it was plastic, but definitely the pages (the paper would be less sturdy than currency)
If it was a bird book with margins with notes, those notes would no longer be visible because of the from-the-edge-in decomposition.
So no Orange1, it most definitely can not be a bird book with notes in the margin.
(edit) Unless you're proposing the notes were in the margin, but are no longer visible due to decomposition? which is why we don't know what the notes said?
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Georger,
You see some pathos in Barb and so do I. Making a bad choice in a sex change operation is a lot worse than buying the wrong car.
Still, why assume that she was as benevolent and wise as the old vet you knew as a kid? BSing her friends about being Cooper is cruel and manipulative.
She doesn't necessarily deserve any more literary attention than was paid to her by Ray Davies of the Kinks when he penned Lola. She was a manipulative liar, nothing special in my book.
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You see some pathos in Barb and so do I. Making a bad choice in a sex change operation is a lot worse than buying the wrong car.
Still, why assume that she was as benevolent and wise as the old vet you knew as a kid? BSing her friends about being Cooper is cruel and manipulative.
She doesn't necessarily deserve any more literary attention than was paid to her by Ray Davies of the Kinks when he penned Lola. She was a manipulative liar, nothing special in my book.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Snow
I just put the ohmmeter on the two jaws of my staple remover. Zero ohms.
Kaboom. This is the work of an explosives expert? Aren't they licensed? Was Barb licensed? I wouldn't hire her to wire my caps, delays and explosives. Would you?
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I just put the ohmmeter on the two jaws of my staple remover. Zero ohms.
Kaboom. This is the work of an explosives expert? Aren't they licensed? Was Barb licensed? I wouldn't hire her to wire my caps, delays and explosives. Would you?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
I notice the FBI, in their hiring blitz, seemed to have picked up some pointers from this site when you guys were talking about DZO benefits.
At their job site
http://www.fbijobs.gov/11.asp
They have a special link "Female Special Agents" at the bottom.
There they say:
"We have found that investigative teams composed of a blend of female and male Special Agents are much more effective at bringing complex investigations to a speedy and successful resolution."
Hmm..smooth talker. Now that's a pickup line!
"We need some help solving this DB Cooper case..."
At their job site
http://www.fbijobs.gov/11.asp
They have a special link "Female Special Agents" at the bottom.
There they say:
"We have found that investigative teams composed of a blend of female and male Special Agents are much more effective at bringing complex investigations to a speedy and successful resolution."
Hmm..smooth talker. Now that's a pickup line!
"We need some help solving this DB Cooper case..."
snowmman 3
QuoteSnow
I just put the ohmmeter on the two jaws of my staple remover. Zero ohms.
Kaboom. This is the work of an explosives expert? Aren't they licensed? Was Barb licensed? I wouldn't hire her to wire my caps, delays and explosives. Would you?
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oh that's funny. I forgot about the pivot/hinge being metal.
And why would she specify two 5-lb charges? It's like she didn't read up on the case. There were plenty of articles where she could have read up on the red sticks.
I found another place where they said she used felt pens. Evidently they read one of the descriptions of the printed felt pen note from Cooper, and connected Barb to that, because she liked to use felt pens.
They put a lot of credence on her just talking about the Cooper hijack like we have..i.e. she pointed out some implausibilities in how the FBI framed what happened.
Look how silly this paragraph is:
page 40
"Barb was a chain smoker when we met her. She said at the time of the jump she smoked Raleigh cigarettes. She also said that she still used only Bic felt pens because they were inexpensive and reliable. She had written the hijack note on the plane with her pen"
That single sentence about her claiming to have smoked Raleigh in the past, is the only Raleigh sentence in the book. And the felt pen thing is nuts. It means nothing.
Note to false confessors: if you publish an ebook as pdf, it makes it easily searchable, and more easily embarassing if it's false!
snowmman 3
Interesting jury-rigged dynamite bomb switch back then.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Detective-Jack-Swanson-wit-by-Michael-Richardson-081114-636.html
I was surprised to see the size of the dynamite sticks here in this case, 16" by 2-1/2" each. Much larger than the standard dynamite sticks: approx 1-1/4"x8" ,or so.
"Investigation revealed this bomb consisted of three 16-inch by 2 ½ inch sticks of dynamite, a battery, a blasting cap and was triggered by a clothespin type switch. The string attached to the wedge was passed through a hole in the suitcase when the bomb was detonated."
"Two and a half by 16-inch. This is Red Cross du Pont 50 percent strength dynamite….When these individuals were arrested in July, I called back and talked to the owner and the manager of Quick Supply and described the dynamite….He said if this was 2 ½ by 16-inch sticks, he was almost positive it had to be their dynamite…[/url]
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Detective-Jack-Swanson-wit-by-Michael-Richardson-081114-636.html
I was surprised to see the size of the dynamite sticks here in this case, 16" by 2-1/2" each. Much larger than the standard dynamite sticks: approx 1-1/4"x8" ,or so.
"Investigation revealed this bomb consisted of three 16-inch by 2 ½ inch sticks of dynamite, a battery, a blasting cap and was triggered by a clothespin type switch. The string attached to the wedge was passed through a hole in the suitcase when the bomb was detonated."
"Two and a half by 16-inch. This is Red Cross du Pont 50 percent strength dynamite….When these individuals were arrested in July, I called back and talked to the owner and the manager of Quick Supply and described the dynamite….He said if this was 2 ½ by 16-inch sticks, he was almost positive it had to be their dynamite…[/url]
Thats funny you should bring this up, or care, with
new naked man avatar posted: DUANE IS GOD.
Are you just soft in the head or a suicide in the
making?
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