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So if you didn't see Duane reading these books, then perhaps he read them on the plane, and already knew the contents. Did he write in these books?



My theory: You can pick up something and view the contents without reading it because it brings back old memories - because of the title he did this and it became necessary the book go with him, because his prints where on it.


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I would have expected he would have buried them with the money, rather than take them with him on the escape.



My Theory: What he did with the money and where he buried it - I can only go from the things that happened on that trip. Remember he disappeared for several hours in The Dalles and then again in Seattle plus his time alone on the Columbia across from the Portland Airport. How much did Cooper take with him? How many places did Cooper bury the money or store the money. Not all in one basket.

If he feared the book had his prints on it - he took it with him. Maybe he buried it with the chute at that tower - the one in the woods he took me to and said he buried something there one time. Whatever that was - he had already retireved yrs prior to 1979 as the tower and shed was gone...because he thought he had turned down the wrong road.

In 1995 when he was in the hospital and mention the bucket and not being able to find it - that was the day after his confession which I failed to understand and his anger at my not understanding what he was talking about.

They started to put dope into him to calm him down after the raging statement "Oh F---, Let it Die with Me!" The statement about putting money in a bucket was made approximately 28 hrs after they started the drugs. His whole demeanor changed with the drugs - he was talking to dead people and seemed happy - that is what drugs do to you...so I have read.

The Duane I knew, would never put all his eggs in one basket. I do know that book must have spent yrs in a safe deposit box under the name John Collins - along with the bag, the stub, and the ticket until 1990...when this "stuff" came into being in my life. The airline ticket I did not see until the yr. before he died. The stub and bank bag in 1990. The books sometime after 1990 and before the end of 1993.
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That Question I will not answer until I sit down with the witnesses Tina and Florence..behind closed doors....



Is that likely to be the case in the near future?



If what Jerry told me is true, I doubt it, I would hope they could find it in themselves to look at everything I have - pictures and things I have not made public before passing final judgement saying No Duane was Not Cooper.

Sometimes it takes only a small thing said or visually seeing an insignifcant item to bring back a lot of lost memories.

I hope that day comes - when I will be able to sit down with both of them and maybe to meet the co-pilot, as I also have a couple of things to ask him privately - even though he did not see Cooper. I want to play a tape of an very angry Duane Weber- his voice was compromised by a procedure they had done on him making his voice very raspy, but maybe the way he expresses things might help...it is so old and fragil I am afraid to try to play it - will need to be done by someone who could make a copy and patch it if necessary.
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That Question I will not answer until I sit down with the witnesses Tina and Florence..behind closed doors....



Is that likely to be the case in the near future?



If what Jerry told me is true, I doubt it, I would hope they could find it in themselves to look at everything I have - pictures and things I have not made public before passing final judgement saying No Duane was Not Cooper.....



Fair enough, but "things I have not made public..." don't help here, and might be better left un-hinted-at. IOW, why bother posting about such things?

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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Duane is God.
I was looking for more evidence, since Jo said there was a book.
I found the book, I believe. It's a children's book. I know Georger will find this useful.

I've attached the sketch of Jo and Duane in the book.

It's called "Vanished" by Judith Herbst, and covers a number of famous disappearances.

"Dan's Daring Disappearance" starts here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=No6A1mRJv8IC&pg=PT24

The Jo and Duane story starts here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=No6A1mRJv8IC&pg=PT28


"Jo" he whispered. "Listen. I'm Dan Cooper."

Jo blinked. "What?" she said. "What do you mean?" She had never heard the name and had no idea what her husband was talking about. Her face was blank.

Weber searched his wife's eyes and then, frustrated, cried out, "Oh, let it die with me!" But it didn't.

...(various more details)

The whole thing seemed impossible. Whom had she married? D.B. Cooper, Duane Weber, or John Collins? One was dishonorably discharged from the service, one had been in prison, and one was an airline hijacker. And one or all of these men had died in a Florida hospital, known to the people of Pace as a mild-mannered antiques dealer.

If Jo's husband had, indeed, been D.B. Cooper, he had pulled of quite a disappearance. On that night in 1971, he had leaped into infamy and vanished without a trace. He had scared everyone but injured no one. He had gotten away with the money but had spent almost none of it.

It was death that finally found him, and Cooper had no choice but to confess. Death knew his real name.

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The mention of McCoy's North Star altimeter brought back memories. I collect skydiving altimeters and have two North Star models. I still jump them once in a while. They had a stupid design error and had only three screw mount holes 90 degrees apart. If you used suspension line loops to tie your altimeter to a mount (common) you had to improvise a forth connection point.

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And isnt it coincidental that after McCoy then Cooper
had (to have) a 'wrist altimeter' too, in the minds of
so many people, including one lady here. Duane
had an altimeter .... all of Gods chillen gotta have
an altimeter. You cant hijack without one!

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thanks for the update Tom.

So how do we get Larry back in, if Larry would be the best added value?
What does he want?
Does he want anything from us?

I always figured it was because there was no longer anything we could contribute. i.e. he found out how to get it in other ways, like thru you. You've definitely added value.

(edit) Like people stay in bad marriages as long as they're getting something. Money. Sex etc. They leave when they can get it elsewhere, or don't need it any more.

I figured Larry wasn't getting anything he needed, anymore.
Fair Enough. Humans should act that way. It's rational.



Thats funny you should bring this up, or care, with
new naked man avatar posted: DUANE IS GOD.

Are you just soft in the head or a suicide in the
making?

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I'll post some quotes from the Barb book. I'm protected by copyright law, in the context of a book review.

Anyone who has the book can confirm the accuracy of my quotes.

Page 8

"As our friendship grew we became aware that besides her abilities as a pilot and mechanic, Barb seemed to have knowledge on a wide variety of subjects. No matter what topic arose she seemed to have something interesting to add to the conversation. Still, she was not a braggart and would often start her sentences with "Well, I don't know for sure, but .." or "I think I heard somewhere that ..." Sometimes after a stimulating discussion on a complex subject such as the making of the atomic bomb, the theories of electricity or the workings of a computer I would get out the encyclopedia to see if what she said was accurate. She always proved to be absolutely correct. I came to the conclusion that she must do a lot of reading, but she denied that to be true.

(ed. note. It is very unlikely that a research librarian would do a lot of reading. It is interesting she had no negative personality quirks, like being a braggart)



To a 5 year old, an 8 years old is an expert & wise.

Everything is context driven, including you.

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They talked about how some agents thought the magazines weren't processed properly. The author says Cooper was seen reading the magazines while they were circling Seattle, but unclear if that's true based on what Ckret said.

They said the prints found were unusable (which they expected) as Ckret said. They didn't mention getting prints off the magazines, although I think maybe the FBI guys were holding back, thinking maybe they did get something off the magazines.


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I give up, the FBI will not listen to me and a lot of this is not in their "secret" files. For 13 yrs they have done nothing but try to discredit me.

I have been lied to by several individuals recently - How STUPID I am to allow myself to be used. One has deliberately tried to manuever me and for the most part was sucessful. The other is someone I trusted - but he lied to me and I trusted him. No one tells the truth anymore - everyone is out just for themselves and the FBI doesn't want this case solved.


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Jo you really do need to stop relying on third and fifth party gossip handed down from morons. It gets you into trouble every time. You ran out of 1st hand reliable info 12 years ago, in Salt Lake City. This really has become shabby and crude!



TO ALL from Jo:
Lots of the information here is 3 and 5 party "gossip". Take for instance the part about the magazines Cooper supposedly was reading. I did not take that as a truth because I had never heard it before. I DID take that chance to put in my supposition regarding the books in my possession,

I do NOT know were those books came from or if he read them on the plane. I know they came into my home in 1990 and placed in plain site. I know that one of these books came out of the OR and WA area - "due to the contributor population". I know one of the books has water damage on the lower quarter (the book with the pic in it). I know he was protective of these books because I used one of them for a specific purpose and he asked me to be careful with this book...do NOT even ask what the purpose was - because I will not tell anyone at this time.

I take information (true of false) as it come thru the media or the fourm or elsewhere and process it with the things I have and with the memories I have of my time with Duane and that trip. This should not be something to discredit me with, but doing exactly what everyone else does to prove or disprove something I know or have knowledge of.

To do this I have to make suppositions and wait for the feed back...for example the information about the magazines - my chance to theorize how and why those books meant so much to him. I do not know where those books came from, but my goal is to find out if they have anything to do with Cooper.



Did Duane use rubbers?

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Hi Georger,
I'll be serious for a second.
I was wondering if you can't see the sarcasm in my Barb posts.
I'm assuming it's obvious.
Based on the long history of posts, I actually can't tell what your reaction is.
Yes I'm clueless.

You do see the sarcasm, right?
(edit) The quotes are exactly correct. I was highlighting how the author puts in little touches to try to tug at the reader in certain ways. The book consists of an endless stream of those tugs, which is supposed to translate to truth. As opposite to a small, simple set of facts. It's characteristic of the false confessor books.

(edit) In rereading your post, I guess you do. I've gotten used to assuming that there's some insult to some poster or the other, and looks like I misread your message. You're worse than me!

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That Question I will not answer until I sit down with the witnesses Tina and Florence..behind closed doors....



Is that likely to be the case in the near future?


When Hell freezes over.

But I do owe you an apology, maybe, and for that
be aware people have been contacted at PDX and at Continental trying to get Bohan's flight report filed at
PDX appx 8:56pm PST 11-24-71. If H or Larry dont have a copy which I doubt. Two who knew Bohan well
are helping. Bohan knew the PDX Manager "Hastings"
well. It was Hastings who paved the way for Bohan to
meet with Ralph. I havent talked to Ralph about this
but Im conifdent enough of the information to post it.

We intend to get to the bottom of the Bohan report, one way or another ...

:)

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Hi Georger,
I'll be serious for a second.
I was wondering if you can't see the sarcasm in my Barb posts.
I'm assuming it's obvious.
Based on the long history of posts, I actually can't tell what your reaction is.
Yes I'm clueless.

You do see the sarcasm, right?
(edit) The quotes are exactly correct. I was highlighting how the author puts in little touches to try to tug at the reader in certain ways. The book consists of an endless stream of those tugs, which is supposed to translate to truth. As opposite to a small, simple set of facts. It's characteristic of the false confessor books.

(edit) In rereading your post, I guess you do. I've gotten used to assuming that there's some insult to some poster or the other, and looks like I misread your message. You're worse than me!



Barb was a serious person and not Cooper. Im a little
disappointed the Formans are not as serious as Barb!

Barn had serious issues - what are the Forman's excuse?

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Another Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.

And she was supposed by her adoring gullible friends to be a computer and nuke power expert? Give me a break.

Went to the DZ today. Getting too lazy doing just tunnel flying. Made a nice long solo from 18k. Sweet, even if a bit chilly.

Saw an old aquaintance on the load. Told me his wife had left and had married another jumper we both knew from the same DZ. Nothing much has changed other than the gear and planes.

377

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Hi Georger,
I'll be serious for a second.
I was wondering if you can't see the sarcasm in my Barb posts.
I'm assuming it's obvious.
Based on the long history of posts, I actually can't tell what your reaction is.
Yes I'm clueless.

You do see the sarcasm, right?
(edit) The quotes are exactly correct. I was highlighting how the author puts in little touches to try to tug at the reader in certain ways. The book consists of an endless stream of those tugs, which is supposed to translate to truth. As opposite to a small, simple set of facts. It's characteristic of the false confessor books.

(edit) In rereading your post, I guess you do. I've gotten used to assuming that there's some insult to some poster or the other, and looks like I misread your message. You're worse than me!



Barb was a serious person and not Cooper. Im a little
disappointed the Formans are not as serious as Barb!

Barn had serious issues - what are the Forman's excuse?



Okay, it sounds like you may have read the book too, because you're responding the same way I did. Either the Formans are gullible, or they're trying to pull a fast one: i.e. they know the story is implausible, but they want to tell it with a straight face, and think "well it could be true" and think they're doing Barb a favor, and making some money at the same time.

Reading it made me feel negative towards the Formans, sorry for Barb, and pissed off that there's yet another thing that feeds the maw of Cooper speculation, and then we have journalist coming in and saying "why the dis" and "what do you expect from a good journalist".

Fact checking is a good start. The bomb description is wrong and bad.

I will give Barb credit for one thing. She knew explosives. She knew she'd want 6v like I've said before. Way to go Barb.

How many of Barb's stories were true? How many BS? Who knows. Doesn't matter. She's dead. Would have been better to help sort things out with her while she was alive.

Actually makes me wonder why Barb and the Formans weren't closer. There's this sense of closeness that's attempting to be described in the book. But if they were really close, I can't imagine the level of BS that existed. (you can tell when they describe their interactions).

Who knows. Human interactions can be indecipherable.

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Another Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.



It was insane.
Now you've soldered a bit.
Can you imagine anyone, who thought enough about the problem, to solder the joint, and decide "staple remover" when it came time to pick a switch.


Talk about an unreliable switch! It might accidently close in your pocket.

And the contacts are unreliable! A staple remover has jaws that go past each other with incidental sliding contact.

And you can't solder to the plated steel on a staple remover!!!

A switch is so inexpensive at the hardware store.
Even those, would more likely be simple screw down contacts.

It's like she was lying in their face, and they just kept buying the story. Maybe she was trying to keep going bigger and bigger all the time with her stories, to see just when people would say "no way".

Odd. definitely.
But there are lots of odd people like that. We only hear about the ones who additionally say "I'm Cooper" and are connected to someone who then thinks it's worth their time to run a PR campaign for them.

(edit) 377: Hey no fair demonstrating you know how to have a life! :)

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Another Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.

And she was supposed by her adoring gullible friends to be a computer and nuke power expert? Give me a break.

Went to the DZ today. Getting too lazy doing just tunnel flying. Made anice long solo from 18k. Sweet, even if a bit chilly.

Saw an old aquaintance on the load. Told me his wife had left and had married another jumper we both knew from the same DZ. Nothing much has changed other than the gear and planes.

377

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well I really dont want to comment out of
respect of people's feelings. Saying that was too much.

The thing about Barb that people are missing is it
would make a wonderful story just as she was, with
the right author. Would even be a contribution to
literature. Might even win an award. Barb's story is
part of the human condition. Its a story worth telling.

We had a hermit that lived on my grandparent;s
north section when I was a kid. The man was a WWI
vet (like Benny Ambrose in Boundary Waters area of MN) He had relatives that saw to his welfare. I learned
more about nature from this guy than almost any
other person in my background. People like this
werent uncommon back in the 40s & 50s. Bachelors
chosing to live close to Nature. People forget how things used to be -

Im not going to make a big deal about this but if
I were the Formans I would take a different track
with the Barb story. They may have been fortunate
to know Barb and she had things to teach us.

Thats all Im going to say.

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Another Barb thing Georger. Were you laughing as hard as I was at her home brew stapler remover detonator SPST momentary NO switch? Good grief. She was as dumb as a rock technically.



It was insane.
Now you've soldered a bit.
Can you imagine anyone, who thought enough about the problem, to solder the joint, and decide "staple remover" when it came time to pick a switch.


Talk about an unreliable switch! It might accidently close in your pocket.

And the contacts are unreliable! A staple remover has jaws that go past each other with incidental sliding contact.

And you can't solder to the plated steel on a staple remover!!!

A switch is so inexpensive at the hardware store.
Even those, would more likely be simple screw down contacts.

It's like she was lying in their face, and they just kept buying the story. Maybe she was trying to keep going bigger and bigger all the time with her stories, to see just when people would say "no way".

Odd. definitely.
But there are lots of odd people like that. We only hear about the ones who additionally say "I'm Cooper" and are connected to someone who then thinks it's worth their time to run a PR campaign for them.

(edit) 377: Hey no fair demonstrating you know how to have a life! :)



This is beginning to sound like Cane Mutiny - Bogart.
Ball bearings. Strawberries, And soldering. Mutiny.

I didnt realise soldering was crucial?

Cooper had a grudge. A mutiny?

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So if you didn't see Duane reading these books, then perhaps he read them on the plane, and already knew the contents.

Did he write in these books?

It's interesting they never got bent.

I would have expected he would have buried them with the money, rather than take them with him on the escape. Maybe they were buried with the money for a while?

But if he buried them with the money, then how did he retrieve them, since he forgot where most of the money was buried.

Maybe he buried them with some of the money, the part he retrieved and threw away. But why not throw away the books?

Very confusing. Maybe the confusion is an indication that they may have a lot of encoded information by their very presence.



Ooh I bet one of them is a bird book, with cryptic notes jotted down in the margin that all Mean Something.

Am I the only one who thinks it is a complete leap of (il)logic to go from (apparently) 5th hand accounts of Cooper reading a magazine, to concluding that some arbitrary books in possession must have been what was read on the plane (by someone who probably wasn't even there)?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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So if you didn't see Duane reading these books, then perhaps he read them on the plane, and already knew the contents.

Did he write in these books?

It's interesting they never got bent.

I would have expected he would have buried them with the money, rather than take them with him on the escape. Maybe they were buried with the money for a while?

But if he buried them with the money, then how did he retrieve them, since he forgot where most of the money was buried.

Maybe he buried them with some of the money, the part he retrieved and threw away. But why not throw away the books?

Very confusing. Maybe the confusion is an indication that they may have a lot of encoded information by their very presence.



Ooh I bet one of them is a bird book, with cryptic notes jotted down in the margin that all Mean Something.



I'm seriously trying to think it thru.
Now if it was buried with the money which decomposed because of water infiltration, then the book likely decomposed also. Maybe not the cover if it was plastic, but definitely the pages (the paper would be less sturdy than currency)

If it was a bird book with margins with notes, those notes would no longer be visible because of the from-the-edge-in decomposition.

So no Orange1, it most definitely can not be a bird book with notes in the margin.

(edit) Unless you're proposing the notes were in the margin, but are no longer visible due to decomposition? which is why we don't know what the notes said?

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Georger,

You see some pathos in Barb and so do I. Making a bad choice in a sex change operation is a lot worse than buying the wrong car.

Still, why assume that she was as benevolent and wise as the old vet you knew as a kid? BSing her friends about being Cooper is cruel and manipulative.

She doesn't necessarily deserve any more literary attention than was paid to her by Ray Davies of the Kinks when he penned Lola. She was a manipulative liar, nothing special in my book.

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I just put the ohmmeter on the two jaws of my staple remover. Zero ohms.
Kaboom. This is the work of an explosives expert? Aren't they licensed? Was Barb licensed? I wouldn't hire her to wire my caps, delays and explosives. Would you?

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I notice the FBI, in their hiring blitz, seemed to have picked up some pointers from this site when you guys were talking about DZO benefits.

At their job site
http://www.fbijobs.gov/11.asp

They have a special link "Female Special Agents" at the bottom.
There they say:

"We have found that investigative teams composed of a blend of female and male Special Agents are much more effective at bringing complex investigations to a speedy and successful resolution."

Hmm..smooth talker. Now that's a pickup line!

"We need some help solving this DB Cooper case..."

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I just put the ohmmeter on the two jaws of my staple remover. Zero ohms.
Kaboom. This is the work of an explosives expert? Aren't they licensed? Was Barb licensed? I wouldn't hire her to wire my caps, delays and explosives. Would you?

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oh that's funny. I forgot about the pivot/hinge being metal.
And why would she specify two 5-lb charges? It's like she didn't read up on the case. There were plenty of articles where she could have read up on the red sticks.

I found another place where they said she used felt pens. Evidently they read one of the descriptions of the printed felt pen note from Cooper, and connected Barb to that, because she liked to use felt pens.

They put a lot of credence on her just talking about the Cooper hijack like we have..i.e. she pointed out some implausibilities in how the FBI framed what happened.

Look how silly this paragraph is:

page 40
"Barb was a chain smoker when we met her. She said at the time of the jump she smoked Raleigh cigarettes. She also said that she still used only Bic felt pens because they were inexpensive and reliable. She had written the hijack note on the plane with her pen"


That single sentence about her claiming to have smoked Raleigh in the past, is the only Raleigh sentence in the book. And the felt pen thing is nuts. It means nothing.

Note to false confessors: if you publish an ebook as pdf, it makes it easily searchable, and more easily embarassing if it's false!

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Interesting jury-rigged dynamite bomb switch back then.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Detective-Jack-Swanson-wit-by-Michael-Richardson-081114-636.html

I was surprised to see the size of the dynamite sticks here in this case, 16" by 2-1/2" each. Much larger than the standard dynamite sticks: approx 1-1/4"x8" ,or so.


"Investigation revealed this bomb consisted of three 16-inch by 2 ½ inch sticks of dynamite, a battery, a blasting cap and was triggered by a clothespin type switch. The string attached to the wedge was passed through a hole in the suitcase when the bomb was detonated."


"Two and a half by 16-inch. This is Red Cross du Pont 50 percent strength dynamite….When these individuals were arrested in July, I called back and talked to the owner and the manager of Quick Supply and described the dynamite….He said if this was 2 ½ by 16-inch sticks, he was almost positive it had to be their dynamite…[/url]

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