DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

Another sensible project involving a portable nuclear reactor
(the first? 1960).

It's amazing what got done in the past. We should just start doing crazy shit again. Let's just hand out wizzy gear and let people go nuts and see what they can do.

Duane may have met Gossett at Camp Century, although I can't find any of the records.

from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Century

Project Iceworm (Camp Century)

Project Iceworm was the code name for a US Army proposal during the Cold War (study started in 1958) to build a major network of mobile nuclear missile launch sites under the ice shield of Greenland.

To test the feasibility of construction techniques a project site called "Camp Century" was started, located at elevation of 2000 m in North-West part of Greenland, 150 miles from the US Thule Air Base.

The prospect was to build a system of tunnels with total length of 4000 km and deploy around 600 nuclear missiles there, which would be able to reach USSR in case of a nuclear war. Missile locations were supposed to be periodically changed.

A total of 21 tunnels with a total length of 3000 m were built, containing also a hospital, shop, theater and a church. Total number of inhabitants was around 200 persons. From 1960 until 1963 the electricity supply was provided by means of world's first mobile/portable nuclear reactor "Alco PM-2A"

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according to this book, which uses it for lessons about cold weather construction, the nuke plant cost $6.2 Million and $3 Million for everything else
http://books.google.com/books?id=J-alZvaR0QQC&pg=PA531&lpg=PA531&dq=%22camp+century%22+project+iceworm&source=web&ots=Wve2adwz28&sig=Ut7kM29h6JP03lyYCIqezg0RJFk&hl=en&ei=RZeeSYHaM4mMsAOs3PHDCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA532,M1

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"The FBI contends Cooper landed near Battle Ground, Wash. about seven miles north of the Columbia River, but didn't survive the jump because the parachute he used couldn't be steered and his clothing and footwear weren't suitable for a rough landing"

IF the FBI really thinks that non steerable canopy+ unsuitable shoes/clothes=death they are laughably wrong.

If he pulled and didn't land in water Cooper very likely survived the jump. Anyone could have. Landing a round chute is a lot easier than a square for a novice.

Galen Cook is a smart guy with a healthy dose of skepticism. If he thinks Gossett is Cooper he is basing it on more than what the kid said about his Dad. Gossett may have been just another wannabe but I wouldn't rule him out just yet. At least we can put Gossett in a chute without having to spin anything. He had the ability and his precarious financial condition gave him a motive. He knew the area well and had Ft Lewis connections.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

Wouldn't it be nice if we found out a spy satellite just happened to be orbiting over at the time...and we could zoom in just like they do in the movies (what was that Denzel Washington/Gene Hackman movie?) Then we could see exactly where the DZ was and hey, maybe even zoom in enough to see Cooper's face.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Wouldn't it be nice if we found out a spy satellite just happened to be orbiting over at the time...and we could zoom in just like they do in the movies (what was that Denzel Washington/Gene Hackman movie?) Then we could see exactly where the DZ was and hey, maybe even zoom in enough to see Cooper's face.

Why would "spy satellites" be photographing this area
of Washington at the time, at night, through clouds...
and put Himmeslbach in danger from Z-rays?

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"The FBI contends Cooper landed near Battle Ground, Wash. about seven miles north of the Columbia River, but didn't survive the jump because the parachute he used couldn't be steered and his clothing and footwear weren't suitable for a rough landing"

IF the FBI really thinks that non steerable canopy+ unsuitable shoes/clothes=death they are laughably wrong.

If he pulled and didn't land in water Cooper very likely survived the jump. Anyone could have. Landing a round chute is a lot easier than a square for a novice.

Galen Cook is a smart guy with a healthy dose of skepticism. If he thinks Gossett is Cooper he is basing it on more than what the kid said about his Dad. Gossett may have been just another wannabe but I wouldn't rule him out just yet. At least we can put Gossett in a chute without having to spin anything. He had the ability and his precarious financial condition gave him a motive. He knew the area well and had Ft Lewis connections.

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... and like Duane he was Nosferatu,
a shape shifter, and could contort his skull and
jaw to fit any shape, in precognition of posters that
would be coming out later. Z-rays enable nosferatu
to have that ability.

Sharpen your stakes. There's a lot of work to be
done!

BTL GND was mentioned by the FBI eons ago. Many
interviews, much searching, and much private activity
combing out that area.

Sprinkle Jo-dust on it and the Blue Fairy will talk!

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All,

I have been contacted (through the Yahoo group that I run) by Jerry Thomas. You may remember him as the guy mentioned in several articles and TV shows. (Jerry Thomas, a retired Army infantryman, drill sergeant and survival instructor..... etc.) He's the guy who has been searching the Washougal watershed for signs of DB.

He says he has figured out the drop zone. I have encouraged him to post here, so maybe he will (if this thread hasn't scared him off... myself included).

If he chooses not to post here, I'll make contact and see what he has to say. I'm just very pushed for time and would rather "share him" with the group.


More as it develops.

Sluggo_Monster

Jerry previously has lived way up in the woods and had no telephone for yrs - he used a friends phone.
That may have changed since I learned he has health probliems starting a few yrs ago.

Jerry is the one who insisted that Washougal could not be on my right - over and over. Yet, with the help of a local "truck driver" I found what I was looking for and the place Duane took me to.

Jerry refused to follow lthe pipelines and powerlines - yet they were crucial. He had a mind set back yrs ago that Cooper landed in a specifc site and was not open at that time to the locations I had asked about and denied they existed.

Since my locations and description of the places Duane took me did exist, but Jerry denied they were there - I lost my faith in him.
In the beginning I thought he could help, but time proved me wrong. It was after I went to WA and found what I was looking for that he bowed out.

Outside of my finding what he claimed did not exist does exist, he is a real nice guy...not sure he is computer literate, but we will see. He is a simple man with simple needs.

Did you collect his poop?

Do you have a poop collecting license?

What do you know about Maj Glenn Close?

Did Duane pick up his poop so as not to leave it
when you two were walking around at ___________?
As I recall you refused to leave any poop too?

Now as I recall this (the poop story), Duane told you
about New Guinea during WWII. The natives snuck in
took poop to examine it to tell if the white men were
men or gods, but the poop solved it, Gods do not poop! Isnt that exactly what Duane said, when saying it was not good to leave poop in the woods!?

Do you think the FBI got the poop?

Be a Blue Fairy and tell us... the whole poopy story!

Is there anything I have left out. ?

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Come on Georger, there is supposed to be a peace treaty here. The worst thing Jo has called you in recent times is FBI/CIA. Let's be more civil to each other before Quade brings the hammer down. You know that many skydivers would love to see him kill this forum. Let's not give him any good reasons.

Orange used to be the toughest on Jo but you have taken over that position. I do not think Duane was Cooper but I can tolerate Jo's contrary opinions. Her claimed facts and speculative opinions are wide open for attack, but she shouldn't be insulted personally. Anyway, that's how I see it.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Come on Georger, there is supposed to be a peace treaty here. The worst thing Jo has called you in recent times is FBI/CIA. Let's be more civil to each other before Quade brings the hammer down. You know that many skydivers would love to see him kill this forum. Let's not give him any good reasons.

Orange used to be the toughest on Jo but you have taken over that position. I do not think Duane was Cooper but I can tolerate Jo's contrary opinions. Her claimed facts and speculative opinions are wide open for attack, but she shouldn't be insulted personally. Anyway, that's how I see it.

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well, if you had any idea wtf you were talking about it would be a good start - so you
condone her subversive high horse activities?

I on the other hand ask: WHO THE FUCK IS JO WEBER?" Who and what make Jo Weber so special?

You?

Give me a break.

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Come on Georger, there is supposed to be a peace treaty here. The worst thing Jo has called you in recent times is FBI/CIA. Let's be more civil to each other before Quade brings the hammer down. You know that many skydivers would love to see him kill this forum. Let's not give him any good reasons.

Orange used to be the toughest on Jo but you have taken over that position. I do not think Duane was Cooper but I can tolerate Jo's contrary opinions. Her claimed facts and speculative opinions are wide open for attack, but she shouldn't be insulted personally. Anyway, that's how I see it.

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or said another way: the poop story is TRUE!

yOU NEED TO GET A COMPASS. iM NOT THE BOTTOM FEEDER HERE!

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Come on Georger, there is supposed to be a peace treaty here. The worst thing Jo has called you in recent times is FBI/CIA. Let's be more civil to each other before Quade brings the hammer down. You know that many skydivers would love to see him kill this forum. Let's not give him any good reasons.

Orange used to be the toughest on Jo but you have taken over that position. I do not think Duane was Cooper but I can tolerate Jo's contrary opinions. Her claimed facts and speculative opinions are wide open for attack, but she shouldn't be insulted personally. Anyway, that's how I see it.

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Or, let me put it this way - - -

If Jerry Thomas comes HERE, Jo Weber will make
his life miserable.

And since YOU are supporting Jo Weber's bullshit
Thomas will probably turn around and not give YOU
the time of day!

So why should Thomas come here at all?

Jo already launched her baloon replying (giving notice)
to Sluggo at the mere mention of Thomas.......... or cant you read? Do you not know history?

You already know we are all headed to the Dark Side
of the Moon anyway to get away from Weber so
spare me your Jo Weber asparagus!

I could be "poilite" from now until hell freezes over
and everyone here is forced to leave. That is EXACTLY
what Jo wants. She wins that way. She equates people
giving up and leaving with her being right and vindicated, or did you miss psychology 101, at Kinderfarm?

Its been happening since Jo first surfaced 13+ years ago. Let Jo move for a change and let her open her own damned forum - she has so much to say and so much to "teach" everyone! Jo Weber is 900% full of shit.

How much more obvious could it be?

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Georger,

I was tracking you just fine until your 900% remark. You can make your point perfectly without the personal insults to Jo.

Jo is part of the forum landscape and despite all the threats to leave forever, will probably remain here until she dies. Just accept it calmly and carry on.

There is room for all of us here, even Thomas too if he cares to join. Everybody, including me, has a reaction to Jo. It is how we express our reaction that distinguishes us.

You only need to change on simple thing, stop the personal insults. Everything else including vicious relentless attacks on her logic, stubborness and fact spinning is fair game.

Maybe you hope Quade will exhile you as we all know what it takes to make that happen. You seem to be copying the exhile formula almost to the word. Please don't get canned, you are such a valuable contributor and I know I am not the only one who holds that opinion.

There is probably still time to edit your last post and make it less insulting. Come on, all it takes is a few keystrokes. Not that you owe me anything, but I'd consider it a favor if you'd do it.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[SchlitznGrins 0]

Nice Job 377. I always appreciate your efforts to resotre order when things get snippy.

Wasn't Geroger working with a facial recognition team a while back? Whatever became of that project?

How is Tom doing with his research?

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Come on Georger, there is supposed to be a peace treaty here. The worst thing Jo has called you in recent times is FBI/CIA. Let's be more civil to each other before Quade brings the hammer down. You know that many skydivers would love to see him kill this forum. Let's not give him any good reasons.

Orange used to be the toughest on Jo but you have taken over that position. I do not think Duane was Cooper but I can tolerate Jo's contrary opinions. Her claimed facts and speculative opinions are wide open for attack, but she shouldn't be insulted personally. Anyway, that's how I see it.

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Indeed. It's childish bullshit. Georger seems to be obsessed with Mrs. Weber.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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Come on Georger, there is supposed to be a peace treaty here. The worst thing Jo has called you in recent times is FBI/CIA. Let's be more civil to each other before Quade brings the hammer down. You know that many skydivers would love to see him kill this forum. Let's not give him any good reasons.

Orange used to be the toughest on Jo but you have taken over that position. I do not think Duane was Cooper but I can tolerate Jo's contrary opinions. Her claimed facts and speculative opinions are wide open for attack, but she shouldn't be insulted personally. Anyway, that's how I see it.

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Indeed. It's childish bullshit. Georger seems to be obsessed with Mrs. Weber.

Really! Cart before horse. I am out of here -

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I am out of here -

How many times is it you've said that now?

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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Nice Job 377. I always appreciate your efforts to resotre order when things get snippy.

Wasn't Geroger working with a facial recognition team a while back? Whatever became of that project?

How is Tom doing with his research?

Toms group fell apart after Jo Weber infiltrated it
through Tom. Tom was warned. He did not listen.
Weber wasted no time contacting Tom after he surfaced. Tom was warned she would. He then came here to play further with Jo Weber and his/my group split. Tom is on his own now, whatever he's doing but
his judgement took a nosedive with me and others.

Jo has a nasty habit of sticking her nose in everywhere.
She claimed in private PM's Ckret had been fired! from the DB Cooper case. That caused a stir. It was traced
to somebody Jo knows in Washington. Ckret and I
discussed it.

You guys sit here for entertainment. Some of the rest
of us are out there on the firing line with assholes like
Weber raising hell and rumoring, making allegations,
and I can assure you its no fun.

The thing you guys dont seem to understand or care
about is Jo Weber has one and only one purpose,
and that is to have Duane Weber officially declared
DB Cooper, and she doesnt much care how its done.

But, she is so far away from having having Duane declared Cooper that Martians will be officially
declared DB Cooper first, because ........ duhhhhh.. Duane WEbeer WAS NOT DB Cooper and there are a millions reasons-of-fact why that is the case. In the
meantime all Jo Weber can do is hope to keep her case alive and that involves disrupting other people
if that's what it takes.

So, it isn't that I have some obsession with Jo
Weber, it's simply an issue of getting any peace at
all to think, while Jo Weber is at hand and active
processing her obsessions daily for years. 13+ years!

So, ... enjoy your Jo Weber entertainment here
while it lasts. The real discussion is going elsewhere
where Jo Weber will not be permitted.

Unless I miss my bet Jerry Thomas will not come
here because of Jo Weber. Mr. Thomas had already had a belly full of Jo Weber years ago, from what
I am told by "reliable" sources. So you can thank Jo
Weber for that. And your entertainment here very
likely will never include Jerry Thomas.

Its as simple as that. Have a nice DB Cooper day.

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I am out of here -

How many times is it you've said that now?

I think he still lags Jo on threats to leave...

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Georger,

Take a few days off and reconsider. I know Jo irritates the hell out of you but if you leave she has won the battle with you on this forum.

We need good scientific minds and balance here. You added a lot of value and your departure in anger is a mistake.

Nobody will fault you for a reconsidered departure. Jo has figured out how to pull your chain, but you don't have to let it work.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The thing you guys dont seem to understand or care
about is Jo Weber has one and only one purpose,
and that is to have Duane Weber officially declared
DB Cooper, and she doesnt much care how its done.

Georger,

Surely you dont really think we miss that point do you?

We just live with it rather than getting all worked up about it.

People can communicate amidst noise and even amidst jamming. This is a subject you know a lot about in the technical sense.

Just adjust your DSP filters or, if you are using older technology, just notch her out and keep the QSO going.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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BTL GND was mentioned by the FBI eons ago. Many
interviews, much searching, and much private activity
combing out that area.

Hi Georger.
Do you have a reference for the FBI saying BTG = DZ?
even a ckret post here would do.
I'm not sure what information you're referring to.

What kind of searching was done?

I was reading about the DC-9 (Flight 956) that crashed 30 mi SE of Portland, in 1966, and how difficult it was for them to find/extract. Made me think about how it could be difficult to find a Cooper body, even if it wasn't around Ariel.

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I on the other hand ask: WHO THE FUCK IS JO WEBER?" Who and what make Jo Weber so special?

who cares?

you sound like you have a problem with women, georger.

Hey, smack me around for a bit. It'll feel better. I'm a better opponent anyhow.

(edit) P.S. While I understand that it's cool to have new people in the forum and we should bend over backwards to be nice and encourage it, my current point of view, based on what's been said about Thomas, is that he's just another lunatic. I can't understand why Georger would get all excited about Thomas, yet whack Jo.

Goes to Georger's credibility, as the tv detective shows would say.

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I know this has been discussed countless times, but it is just really hard for me to imagine that some loner with no job, no ties to the outside world could no pull and not be missed. Are there really people out there that have no ties to anything? Ted K was a good example, but even he had his brother. If this guy corkscrewed into the ground he had to have been missed somehow.

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Although often discussed, it remains a valid point. Orange postulated that someone may have been missed but was never associated with Cooper. If my memory is correct she came up with someone who did go missing around that time who might have fit the age and general description.

When someone disappears things inevitably pile up. A car, bills, tax returns, etc. Inquiries are eventually made. Sooner or later someone, even a creditor, may file a missing person report and that puts it on the radar.

One exception could happen if the person were long domiciled overseas in a a rural area, came to the US to do the hijack and died in the process. The rural foreign neighbors would think he just stayed in the US and there would be nobody reported missing in the US.

I view that fact that there were no likely Coopers reported missing as favoring a live landing and escape. I like to look at the bright side. It is a lot more appealing to think that Cooper survived rather than suffering a 120 MPH splat or even worse, a good deployment followed by a cold, lonely drowning on a dark and stormy night.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

This is not a prospectus for the CooperPonzi fund.

Here's the plan.
-Fine tune my Cooper bill counterfeits to include decomposition
-Swap the counterfeits with Tom K's real Cooper bills. The FBI is given back the counterfeits
-Start something like a gold mining exploration fund. Except it's for recovering Cooper Bills
-Every year announce that we've found another Cooper Bill and sell it on Ebay. It will be real and pass inspection, since we swiped it from the FBI
-We encourage people to invest so we can expand our Bill Finding explorations.
-The investment side of the deal will be a Ponzi scheme. We'll distribute 10-15% per year. After a couple years, we'll just take off with whatever we've got.

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Sounds good to me.

Another angle:

Go to a REALLY good counterfeiter and get them to make a few unfound SN Cooper bills, nice, crisp and undamaged. Better yet, maybe there is even a way to erase or modify an SN on a vintage twenty and print in a Cooper SN, thus avoiding or minimizing a counterfeiting exposure. Send one to a movie/TV producer. Start negotiating. It was done before with Newsweek but it was a crude Xerox cut and past job and doomed to fail.

Maybe Jo should get the first chance on confidentially bidding for the perfect Cooper twenty since she has had a very hard time finding even one of the thousands Duane possessed.

Hey, if Duane spent all those twenties in the US dont you think one of them might have been spotted? If someone got a big payment of twenties for something like a car, might they think "Cooper" and check some serial numbers? If Duane had the Cooper loot, where did it all go?

Just a thought.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.