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Glad to see Georger hanging in there through all the noise and entropy.

Got a good laugh out of Snow's words about the forum being an immortal unkillable thing.

Reply> Im hangin in there by my finger nails -

Snow didnt say what you say. It was Snow's
reply bot typing and it said: "about the forum being an immortal unskillable thing." That small typo
makes a huge difference. I have myself in mind.

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okay, i've made some headway.
Went the female way on the face construction, and got the attached. Call her "DZ girl"
Initally thought "Little Tina" sure, but running thru all the posts on DZ.com about skydiving, and it points to this "DZ girl" profile.

Some kind of story about how she ran away at 19, hooked up with a guy in a trailer at some DZ in Indiana, dumped him when winter hit and headed west. etc. Eventually ended up being connected with the hijacking. Kinda sad. Cause she didn't get her cut of the loot.

Or maybe more like this?

DZ girl came from Pensacola, F.L.A.
Hitch-hiked her way across the USA
Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
She says, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side

Duane is just speeding away
Thought she was James Dean for a day
Then I guess he had to crash
A hijacking would have helped that bash
Said, Hey babe,
Take a walk on the wild side



You have to stop this.

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Georger's numeric sign offs are Morse Code shorthand. It is amazing how many of the serious posters on this forum hold FCC ham radio licenses. Haven't figured out why there is such a high correlation. Duane was a CBer, but that doesn't count.

If Cooper were a skydiver or military jumper or aircrew he'd likely have known about VHF AM radio comms with the plane and how easy it would have been to intercept them. It would have given him much useful info, including advance warning of any planned ambush, refuel delays, info on chase planes if the info was given to the NWA pilots, etc.
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Cooper could also have acquired this knowledge as a fire-ranger and loadmaster in training in the West. Worlds Greatest or Biggest Jock Ball Carrier...think about that handle in terms of "Carrier" and how the men - "balls" where on board. Those smoke jumpers had the balls - in other words they were delivering the best of the best...they were on their way. The chopper communicated with the plane spotting the drops - the chopper could come in closer to make the drop. The chopper is communicating with the plane.
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You have to stop this.



You're right. One last thing.
I'm the first to say "just coincidence" on random stuff.

But here we have a thread with a FBI agent, and a guy inside Area 51. And since we can hack his laptop and cellphone, we can snap pictures remotely and finally get the pictures the world has been waiting for. I think I was the first to introduce the Roswell connection to DBC way back in this thread. Back when everyone said "no way".

Well, I don't mean to show all my cards....but...

Is it just "coincidence" that a black-op 727 shows up at Grissom Lake, the same week Sluggo mysteriously appears at the ranch, and the Lost Boy photo appears? And how can a plane with no markings at all, be allowed to fly in the US? Especially with Sluggo aboard?


Sure, I can stop. But the truth is out there.

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ok, I was kind of sure of it when I saw how they had recruited bull-riding smokejumpers as kickers for nukes in Dr. Strangelove.

But I just got this snap of nukes being loaded aboard the black 727 at the ranch.

377 was right. The delivery system from the video was never thrown away.

Ah well, mystery solved.
Good night, sleep tight!

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You guys are a hoot! Is this an episode of “Ghost Hunters”? If so, here’s a photo for you [attached].

See that settles it… the ears are a perfect match



Tina's ear looks more rounded at the top to me... (I presume that is Tina in the first pic?)
I thought Georger's was a better match.

Can anyone get hold of a proper forensic artist... this being the stuff they are trained in?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Snowmman,

You always come up with the most amazing pix, but what are your 727 "nukes" really? Long range ferry tanks? Something else?

Perhaps LN2 or LOX tanks to enable air transport of alien life forms? I watched Independence Day. I know the score.

You know I am an airplane nut. You have piqued my curiosity. I must have the answer.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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okay, i've made some headway.
Went the female way on the face construction, and got the attached. Call her "DZ girl"
Initally thought "Little Tina" sure, but running thru all the posts on DZ.com about skydiving, and it points to this "DZ girl" profile.

Some kind of story about how she ran away at 19, hooked up with a guy in a trailer at some DZ in Indiana, dumped him when winter hit and headed west. etc. Eventually ended up being connected with the hijacking. Kinda sad. Cause she didn't get her cut of the loot.

Or maybe more like this?

DZ girl came from Pensacola, F.L.A.
Hitch-hiked her way across the USA
Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
She says, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side

Duane is just speeding away
Thought she was James Dean for a day
Then I guess he had to crash
A hijacking would have helped that bash
Said, Hey babe,
Take a walk on the wild side





And the Federal Agents go Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo...










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Snowmman,

You always come up with the most amazing pix, but what are your 727 "nukes" really? Long range ferry tanks? Something else?

Perhaps LN2 or LOX tanks to enable air transport of alien life forms? I watched Independence Day. I know the score.

You know I am an airplane nut. You have piqued my curiosity. I must have the answer.

377



Well it is a 727. Yeah I was surprised when I saw it. Weird.
Described as:
"Picture of a 727's payload container--fuel tanks--carries fuel to remote mining sites "
from
http://mahoney.aero/pics/
search for that text on that page. It's an aero nut's site, so I'm guessing accurate?...i.e. accurate as far as that's the accurate cover story for Sluggo's Great Adventure.

I'm guessing they're using a normal 727 which was modified for cargo-only, and that the tanks just happen to be a particular shipment?

377: sorry to hear about your friend you mentioned.

And airtwardo: it's good when I can get the song playing in someone else's head too :) I commiserated to 377 before about how I cut up the DVD with all my Lou Reed mp3s in a fit of law-abidingnence. Never again!

(edit) oh the black plane was Mexican federal police plane. I photoshopped out their markings. The black is cool though!

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And airtwardo: it's good when I can get the song playing in someone else's head too :) I commiserated to 377 before about how I cut up the DVD with all my Lou Reed mp3s in a fit of law-abidingnence. Never again!




I know what ya mean..."I fought the law, and the law won!" ;)










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You guys are a hoot! Is this an episode of “Ghost Hunters”? If so, here’s a photo for you [attached].

See that settles it… the ears are a perfect match



Tina's ear looks more rounded at the top to me... (I presume that is Tina in the first pic?)
I thought Georger's was a better match.

Can anyone get hold of a proper forensic artist... this being the stuff they are trained in?



People are aware of what's going on but can go no further until all of the holidays end and people are available again.

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It is not about winning anything.

:(I told you none of the photos I had were straight on and they all had a tilt. I also DO NOT use the old Bing Crosby composite that was used (the one that allowed Cooper to stay hidden). Had they made the Rose Composite public when it was first done - Cooper would have died sitting a jail cell.

All I did was try to do something simple - :ph34r:actually I was trying to convince myself I was the only one who saw the resemblance. That is not how it came out. :) AT Least I don't use the composite the FBI made available (the one you use) that allowed Cooper to go for years undetected.

All of the photos I used have been posted in this forum - so your accusations are unwarranted. You take my words and my thoughts and twist them to fit whatever you want it to be and >:(then turn around and accuse me of what you are doing.

:)What you do is exactly what is done to diffuse - a witness on a stand, a suspect being questioned, what the FBI and others in our government do when they want to continue to conceal something. Disfuse, disfuse and confuse till the subjects and the public give up or someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit.

I usually do not come on the computer in the day - but I had left it on because I was printing somethings out - and I saw your post and made a response.

You do everything you accuse me of doing and you do not do it for any other purpose than malice. Just ignore my posts? There is absolutely NO reason for you to reply.

As for U-tube - and some of these other programs - I have explained that I do NOT have anything but Dial-up. I have to watch the clips in incriments of second. If I could do all of that why the heck would I copy, print and cut and paste and then scan to get my results.

I even said it was an exercise in futility as it would have probably have worked with any photo of any suspect - NO you have to make an issue out of it. I am not going to play your childish game.

:oYour objective is to control the thoughts and imaginations of anyone who might even have a twinkle in their minds eye that Duane was Cooper and to do what the FBI has done for yrs with the old BING CROSBY composite. It is about control. :oWell, the the plane (the thread) is now under your direction - I wish you a safe landing. I expect you will crash the plane ( the thread) very shortly...but that has been YOUR objective all along if you were not able to controll me.

Orange thank you for the nice post you made about the cut, tape and scan - if you can get that Jefferson composite - maybe you will find why it is such a big secret from me and others.

Snowmman - I thank you for all of your past kindesses and wish you well.

It will take me a couple of wks to print the thread if I am not in the hospital and if anyone has a question PM me and I will answer.

Should the thread crash - I hope the forum will allow me a place to make a post to let everyone know
what is going on.....and there is a LOT going on.....

The SLC photo - Who the man was
Ed Hurand - the WA/OR connection.
The jump connection..
The cigarrette butts.
The paper sack.
The tie.
Witness statements the FBI hid.
The names of the others involved.
JMWave connections
Covert CIA and JMWave?

This story is NOT over and when all is said and done - you will learn that Duane Weber was Cooper.

Hide it in plain site - even the FBI couldn't find the evidence, but maybe I have been holding it all of these yrs...see the attached photo.

CKRET:
Does this put him on the plane?





:)Rather than to continue to speculate - why doesn't Ckret just contact Tina and ask if that is a photo of her and ask her about the "RECIPE FOR LIFE".

Remember she spent a lot of time on that plane with Cooper -


RECIPE FOR LIFE
"It is better to say a good thing about a bad man, than to say a bad thing about a good man, none of us heeds the wise man's prayer, * may I never be caught talking, when I should only be listening".
RECIPE FOR LIFE
"Doing nothing for others is the undoing of ourselves."

And more:

RECIPE FOR LIFE
To get away from yourself, help others.

RECIPE FOR LIFE
Some of our ills need:
Prayer more than pills
Aspiration more than aspirin
Meditation more than
medication.

By The Grace of God Cooper survived and eventually learned the RECIPES of Life...and now it must go full circle. These recipes of life will continue to serve others at The Smorgasbord
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You see Jo, this is what i mean by making unfounded statements:
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By The Grace of God Cooper survived


You don't know that. You may think you do, but you can't.

Jo, reporters manage to get mugshots all the time, surely someone can get the Jefferson one.. i don't believe the FBI is "hiding" anything. I'm afraid you will need a proper photo if you are to convince anyone. Like others on this forum, I don't believe Duane was Cooper, but I am willing to keep an open mind. But you will need a more convincing image to help!

We are also still waiting to hear about the photo of the child. You honestly don't expect the FBI to go to Tina and ask her...surely?? Personally I don't believe it's her - the ear is the wrong shape at the top.
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saw this http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/19/jonbenet.ramsey.update/

...which reminded me there are a number of cold cases over the years in which people were murdered. So perhaps when people slam the FBI for what they do (or don't do) on the Cooper case, they should remember that there are far more serious unsolved crimes - crimes for which the statute of limitations does not run out, crimes for which the families of the murder victims need closure, crimes which any rational person would recognize are more deserving of the authorities' attention/time/manpower than the Cooper case. (Hence the Cooper case gets left to threads like this :))

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Good point Orange. No deaths, no injuries, minor property damage, just a few hundred K stolen and the loss was insured. Cooper poses no imminent threat.

Other than the embarrassment factor, there isn't much about this case that would make the FBI pour any resources into it today. It remains, however, a high publicity crime and is a thorn in the side of a law enforcement agency that but for Cooper would have a 100% record in solving air piracy cases.

Jo, if you contend that the child photo is Mucklow and was given to Cooper on the plane, just say so. What do you gain by teasing the forum?

377
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with respect to the Jon Benet case.

In terms of "civilian investigators" ...the data that's available in the Jon Benet case is much better organized?

Hmm. Maybe what we need is a wiki. That's a thing like wikipedia, but not under the editorial control of wikipedia.
Then we can have multiple editors on a single set of pages.

As an example, here is one wiki on the jon benet case.
The evidence is presented pretty well. I'm not sure if there are better sites. ..just did a quick scan.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com

See this forum is fun for discussion, but as everyone can see, we don't have a good place we collect everything that's considered relevant. Sluggo does his work, but obviously he's constrained by time, and also his view of relevance.

Just something to think about. It's easy for me to say "wouldn't this be cool" but obviously I'm not volunteering :) Hey if we get Jo technically upgraded, maybe she will! She's obviously the most organized of all of us.. Imagine having Jo accept alternate theories for the sake of completeness!

(edit) In terms of a "fer-instance" for a real plan for the FBI including "civilian investigators" and "what would you have done"...creating a wiki is something I would have done, I think? Cheap, enables information to be gathered and organized. Scales with people...wikipedia itself is a good example.

I would pitch it inside the FBI as a test pilot for future ways of interacting with the public. The old-school "phone it in and we'll investigate it" doesn't scale with the modern world. What's a better solution? Don't know. that's why you test different things.

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You see Jo, this is what i mean by making unfounded statements:

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By The Grace of God Cooper survived


You don't know that. You may think you do, but you can't.

Jo, reporters manage to get mugshots all the time, surely someone can get the Jefferson one.. i don't believe the FBI is "hiding" anything. I'm afraid you will need a proper photo if you are to convince anyone. Like others on this forum, I don't believe Duane was Cooper, but I am willing to keep an open mind. But you will need a more convincing image to help!

We are also still waiting to hear about the photo of the child. You honestly don't expect the FBI to go to Tina and ask her...surely?? Personally I don't believe it's her - the ear is the wrong shape at the top.


:(I DID NOT say the photo was Tina. Georger was the one who said that. I did not even suggest the photo was Tina - Georger did that.
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You guys are a hoot! Is this an episode of “Ghost Hunters”? If so, here’s a photo for you [attached].

See that settles it… the ears are a perfect match!

Sluggo_Monster (Live from “The Ranch”)

PS: I’ll be here all week…. And be sure to tip your waiter or waitress.



I don't think these two photos are the same person and Tina's ears appear to have been modified in that picture - very unusual ears. Looks like she is wearing a phone, but whe didn't have those back in her day.
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Jo, if you contend that the child photo is Mucklow and was given to Cooper on the plane, just say so. What do you gain by teasing the forum?

377



I have news for the group. This may come as
surprising. I hardly believe it myself.

But, true to my passion for neutrality in this Cooper matter, I submitted Jo's child photo to: a panel of
pediatricians, the office of a State Archaeologist
with three physical anthropologists in residence,
and a county medical examiner's office. I can report
the following results -

1) all were reluctant to get involved owing to the case and the parties involved ...

2) ALL drew a blank and were unable to state with
any assurance if the photo is of a boy or a girl!
This is the serious professioal opinion of the whole
group, to each person who looked at and examined
the photo.

3) all stated that in their opinion "nobody but a specialist" can contend any sex for the child in the photo based on the photo alone.

4) the physical anthropologists stated that if this
was a photo of bones and a cranium, they very likely would be able to determine sex, but the addition of
flesh makes the matter uncertain at the age involved.

5) The pediatricians and the anthropologists both
recommended a "pediatric forensic pathologist".

6) one person specifically suggested: "this is a
matter for the FBI and exactly the kind of thing
Quantico might be able to determine".

Those are the results I obtained.

Georger

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You see Jo, this is what i mean by making unfounded statements:

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By The Grace of God Cooper survived


You don't know that. You may think you do, but you can't.

Jo, reporters manage to get mugshots all the time, surely someone can get the Jefferson one.. i don't believe the FBI is "hiding" anything. I'm afraid you will need a proper photo if you are to convince anyone. Like others on this forum, I don't believe Duane was Cooper, but I am willing to keep an open mind. But you will need a more convincing image to help!

We are also still waiting to hear about the photo of the child. You honestly don't expect the FBI to go to Tina and ask her...surely?? Personally I don't believe it's her - the ear is the wrong shape at the top.


:(I DID NOT say the photo was Tina. Georger was the one who said that. I did not even suggest the photo was Tina - Georger did that.


No actually Sluggo sggested that IF YOU BOTHER
TO READ THE RECORD BEFORE POSTING!

I suggested your photo be examined by experts.
I have just issued a report.

The report says: 'you canot know the gender of
the subject in the photo from the photo alone
because true experts cannot even tell!'

So, what are you trying to achieve by all of this?

You have given this group a photo with nothing else
but teasing and humilitation. What do you expect ayone to do with this?

Nobody even knows what your contention is.

You addressed your post to CKRET. Ckret isnt even here. You drove him off.

What exactly do you expect anyone to do? Clap?

Are you trying to drive everyone off ?

Quade will very likely let you do that.

Then what?

Im just a voice in the wilderness on all of this shit.
I dont have the faintest idea what Jo is trying to prove. And a whole panel of experts dont either!

Is Jo the only one sane here?

Georegr

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OK, so lets just forget the photo. Jo wont tell us who she thinks it is or where she thinks it came from. Georger says we can't even determine if it depicts a boy or girl. Why spend any more time on it?

Let's get back to planes, chutes, CIA and smoke jumpers again. I like that stuff. It has some arguable connections to Cooper. Hard to say the same for the photo although Jo thinks otherwise.

I think if Cooper went into the river and drowned under an open canopy it might eventually wash up somewhere. Gill nets and trot lines lost in rivers or high tidal flow areas almost always ball up which is good as they cease fishing as ghost nets/lines. The balled up mess usually snags on something. I think a canopy would do the same although I have no proof. I guess if the snag was in deep water it could stay hidden though. Strong winter flows could dislodge it and wash it into shallower waters where it would become visible.

If Cooper never made it out of the harness would he decay into a skelton? I have no idea what happens to submerged human bodies over long periods of time. I guess oxygen content and temp would affect decay rates.

That Jon Benet Ramsey blog makes this forum look like chaos. But who is to say that theirs is more effective? Both crimes remain unsolved.

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Nobody even knows what your contention is.



You guys are sure that it's a person?
That's not even 10% of a picture.

A secret picture without even a secret name, but this
one has a secret sex. A new standard in nebulous
time-wasters.

I'll pretend it is a male. Then, since Easter is just
around the corner, we could identify him as Peter by
using the lyrics.
"Here comes Peter Cottontail,
hopping down the bunny trail..."

You guys already wasted a bunch of time
with the previous Secret Guy doing Secret Stuff in
a Secret Picture. (That was probably picked up off
an advertisement on the internet.)

This is just another of those no-information games.
It's your free time, but why do it again?

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I don't think these two photos are the same person and Tina's ears appear to have been modified in that picture - very unusual ears.



You are speaking as an expert on ears?

Jo you are paranoid.

Who would have modified Tina's ears in the photo?
Himmelsbach? Ckret? Me? Sluggo? The Tooth Fairy?

The ears in the photo have NOT been modified.
And they look like run-of-the-mill ears to me, cute
ears, female ears, .......... its Duane who has the
wierd triangular ears!

Oh, and just to let know know, I will not spend one
further moment on any future photos you post.
I have you marked down as 100% NOT CREDIBLE.

In my book you are 100% full of shit.

Just for future reference -

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You guys already wasted a bunch of time
with the previous Secret Guy doing Secret Stuff in
a Secret Picture. (That was probably picked up off
an advertisement on the internet.)

This is just another of those no-information games.
It's your free time, but why do it again?



Just start adding up the waste, over 13+ years.
No other Cooper candidate has required this high
an expenditure of resources. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You could have paid the salaries of a school full
of teachers for a year, from this alone.

Is anyone keeping track? What is at the end of
Jo's rainbow?

Georger

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