georger 264 #7226 January 17, 2009 QuoteOrange1 said: "Should I blow up the photo and post it here to see who we can see in the foreground?" well obviously since you didn't, there must be incriminating info in it. An LDS temple was built in Johannesburg in 1985. It was the first in S.A. picture here: http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/johannesburg/ I find it a little too coincidental that we then find Orange1 taking pictures in SLC of the temples there, with unnamed people in them. With a Olympus 35mm? Possibly soon after the construction in Johannesburg? Why would Orange1 remember the camera? The photos were obviously important for some reason not-to-be-disclosed. Olympus Minox was a common "spy" camera. I used to have an Olympus XA which was pretty small for the times. http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Olympus_XA Why does Orange1 try to dismiss her camera as point-and-shoot? was it an XA? or maybe a Olympus Minox spy camera? What is she hiding? Maybe it was specially modified to shoot half-frames? Does Orange1 have a picture of the Chevron Man at the temple in Johannesburg? If so, does the coverup extend there? The distance between SLC and Johannesburg is 9957 miles. Given that the circumference of the earth is about 24900 miles, the maximum distance between any two places can be only about 12000 miles. So SLC is pretty close to "the farthest Orange1 could go". Why would she go so far? Was she trying to hide something? Twenties? Photos? ??? And Orange1 has never mentioned this tidbit before, even though it obviously relates to the evidence Jo has supplied? Why now? Hmm. Must consult Keynes again. The bullshit is stacking up so high here no self respecting moron is going to stick around. So guess its now you and the incessant Jo, her diseases, and whoever else has nothing better to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7227 January 17, 2009 Quote I'm very sorry to report I was flying Delta and not Northwest around the country though, I'm reminiscing now... I had a Delta Airpass (I believe they are no longer available), which cost me $400 for one month of travel anywhere within the continental US. The 2 restrictions were that it was available to non-US passport holders only and that you had to fly standby, which normally wasn't a problem in terms of getting on the flight you wanted. They were very popular for tourists for obvious reasons, a cheap way to get around a really big country, and I met a number of other people using them. Early on someone showed me how to see on the timetable which flights they served meals on (remember that ) so the lunch and supper flights tended to have lots of backpackers on them One day I got into a conversation with a guy next to me who asked how a backpacker could afford to fly round the country. When I told him, he told me that he had paid $600 for that flight alone! When we flew to SLC, we flew from Flagstaff via Page. One of the most scenic flights I have ever been on.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 264 #7228 January 17, 2009 ------------------------------------ Quote I didn't even notice the title on her photo until yesterday: "Before Hair Transplant". Its funny we all missed that, including Snowmman! Took you long enough didn't it?----------------------------------------------------------- Reply> Alas, for once you have me. Can't respond. Won't respond. No need to respond. Carry on. With warmest regards - Georger PS* Be sure to glance over at my avatar as you read this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7229 January 17, 2009 Snowmman thank you...I know that but I have never figured out how to convert pixels to KB's - The photo problem is a real - so maybe the Dumb Blonde Syndrome is not a syndrome at all. If you know a program that will make this easy for me - I will go buy it - the old Epson program I had was easy, but what came with this Canon and with the HP - are Over-My-Head.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7230 January 17, 2009 QuoteSnowmman thank you...I know that but I have never figured out how to convert pixels to KB's - The photo problem is a real - so maybe the Dumb Blonde Syndrome is not a syndrome at all. If you know a program that will make this easy for me - I will go buy it - the old Epson program I had was easy, but what came with this Canon and with the HP - are Over-My-Head. Don't buy anything. you should be able to do whatever you need to with anything you've got or something free. Here's a better solution that will be less work for you long term, and provide highest quality photos for us to hunt down Chevron Man. Google has updated their free web site creator to something called "Google Sites" You can create a "Google Site" of your own, and upload pictures of any size (the highest resolution you can get) and then post the links here. That way you don't have to worry about the 300KB limit. You don't need to create a web page or anything, although Google Sites has some provisions for making that easy. I'll even handhold you thru it if you need it(via PM) You might start by creating a gmail account for anything google related. But you don't need to. You can probably just use your current email address and create a site here: https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?hl=&service=jotspot you can read about Google Sites here: http://www.google.com/sites/help/intl/en/overview.html The main thing: You get 100MB of free online storage. I use Google Page Creator for the same thing, but that's been replaced by Google Sites. Maybe we'll have you blogging in no time, Jo! Just start by creating your Google Site account, and uploading a max-resolution-out-of-your-scanner photo, and posting the link here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7231 January 17, 2009 QuoteI was in SLC once too, and my photos (pre digital, and I have no idea where the negatives are) happen to be to hand. I have a photo of what in Jo's pic is entitled "Assembly Hall", though I have it labelled as the Mormon Tabernacle Choir Hall. (If that is the one with the amazing acoustics then I am pretty sure I would have labelled it right. But it was nearly 20 years ago now and I can't say for sure, my memory not being as fantastic as some other people's evidently are. I did not know the name of the building but Assembly Hall is what it is called on the internet, by the Chamber of Commerce and with the church historians and official who have spoke with me and viewed the photo. All of my life I have been an orderly neat person - The only unorganized drawer I have in my home is one I dump things I am working on - right now that includes photos being redone in one of my later albums - to make 2 albums for my kids...and a much smaller one for me to take to small retirement quarters. The garage used to be organized until my husband died - Garage Sale time. You forget I come from an era of organization - born in 1940. We are keepers of "things" including our memory as long as illness does not rob us of that. As we age we usually require notes to keep us organized -which I do in regards to my medical history. We didn't have computers - just old fashion clip, cut and save. I have recipe books I have made myself - recipes used by my family for yrs - recipes tried and not tried and notations of the results. Most are yellow with age..and some so fragil they crumble requiring them to be copied. The negatives of every picture I have made since 1960 has been kept in a safe deposit box and when moving in a fire safe. Photos are never shipped but moved in my own vehicle to the new location. I learned in this review of the negatives (a long and tedious process with a bright light) that negative do not survive forever and regardless of how you keep them they deteriorate. I viewed negatives given to my by parents - taken in 1958 with my prom dress (some of the 1st color film used). Not only do the pictured loose their color and fade, but so do the negatives. The black and white photos are in good condition - but their negatives also deteriorated.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7232 January 17, 2009 I'm just looking around at what the current free stuff for uploading stuff is. (I usually don't stay up on this) and there's actually some nice stuff. Jo: There are other alternatives now that I get my brain in gear. You could create a free blog pretty easily here: http://www.blogger.com/features Again if you create a gmail account like I mentioned before, that's your ticket in there. Or if you just want to upload photos, Google's Picasa has an online component: http://picasaweb.google.com/ It's optimized for just photos and is a really good tool for organizing your computer's photos. There are other services like Flickr (this is from the yahoo side of the tracks) http://www.flickr.com/ But your safest and easiest bet might be to get all Google compliant. (Sites, or Blogger, or Picasaweb) Plus: the higher tech you are, the more people will believe what you say.. win, win! (edit) I'm posting this in public so Jo can see that others review what I'm saying, so she can be confident I'm not trying to scam her. Nowadays, I wouldn't trust anything I get in a private communication, if I wasn't computer-literate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7233 January 17, 2009 I just found this page where this guy has taken photos of 3 ingram auction bills. There are photos of 3 Certificate of Authenticity's which I've not seen before. (nice because you can see Brian Ingram's signature..curiousity) Okay the COA's aren't interesting because the Bill on them is a low resolution scan. But the pictures of the bills in the holders seem very good. Maybe better than we've had before? I'm downloading them to see if any of them are higher resolution than what I provided from the cropped auction site bill photos before. Interestingly, the guy put his full name in the page, and with some of the info in other photos he put up, I suspect he would be findable, if there was any reason it would be nice to talk to a guy that had some of the Ingram bills (as opposed to the FBI bills) http://picasaweb.google.com/gabrielcmurphy/DBCooperNotes# (edit) at the url, click on the bill-in-holder images, then use the "download" tab at the top to download the highest res version of the photo again I'm guessing that he has the actual bills...but it seems like that is probable? Attached a quick crop from those photos (limited by 300KB..you can zoom in to see if it's better than we've had before or not) Jo; Note this picasaweb site shows what you could do if you go the picasaweb path for sharing your photos. Note how big his photos are...almost 4MB apiece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7234 January 17, 2009 I'm just looking for stuff I might not have noted before. this crop, if you save it and zoom in, is good for seeing what appears to be surface pitting in the white area. Could be embedded sand like Tom talks about? also, the brown stain stuff, that was in the FBI folder, seems to be on the top edge of this bill..i.e. it displays the non-uniform brown (water?) staining. it's also one of the better ones for seeing the telltale threads in the paper. You can see a good red one near the right center if you zoom in. A really good test for Tom would be a tensile strength test. Or another test: When I was a kid, I went to a lab associated with a large paper company. (I'm just remembering) One thing I remember: they tested toilet paper, and they had a gizmo for testing it's resistance to puncture. I suppose that's another way of doing a strength test. But a strength test seems to be a standardized way of testing rate of decomposition. It would at least be a bit of scientific data that could be related to decomposition predictions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 264 #7235 January 17, 2009 QuoteI'm just looking for stuff I might not have noted before. this crop, if you save it and zoom in, is good for seeing what appears to be surface pitting in the white area. Could be embedded sand like Tom talks about? also, the brown stain stuff, that was in the FBI folder, seems to be on the top edge of this bill..i.e. it displays the non-uniform brown (water?) staining. RPY: "The word “manila” comes from the name of manila hemp which is native to the Philippines. manila folders were originally made from this hemp. The paper now used to make manila folders thick and durable. Paper can be placed fully inside of these folders without having to be folded. Some manila folders even come with closing flaps that will secure the documents inside. Whenever a document is needed, the flap can be opened in a way that won’t tear or bend it." Other References: ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 52, no. 9, March 1982, abstract no. 9929, page 1050, Appleton, Wisconsin, US; J.G. PENNIMAN Jr.: "Analyzing a new chemical approach to system stability in newsprint", & PAPER TRADE J. 165, no. 14: 34-35 (July 30, 1981) TAPPI JOURNAL, vol. 67, no. 11, November 1984, pages 72-76, Atlanta, Georgia, US; W.E. SCOTT: "A review of wet-end chemistry process control instrumentation" TAPPI JOURNAL, vol. 66, no. 3, March 1983, pages 141-144, Atlanta, Georgia, US; R.A. STRATTON: "Effect of agitation on polymer additives" ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 50, no. 6, December 1979, page 596, abstract no.5588, Appleton, US; R.A. STRATTON: "Principles of use of polymers as retention aids", & PROC. NE. REG. CONF. WET-END TECHNOL. (Boston), 16th November 1978: 21-42 (IPC, Appleton, WI) TAPPI, vol. 63, no. 4, April 1980, pages 87-91, Atlanta, US; J. MARTON: "The role of surface chemistry in fines-cationic starch interactions" TAPPI JOURNAL, vol. 66, no. 8, August 1983, pages 85-89, Atlanta, Georgia, US; S. D'INCAU: "Estimates of the rates of strain in the flow in the approach system of a paper machine" ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 52, no. 8, February 1982, page 1002, abstract no. 9477, Appleton, Wisconsin, US; Y. KUBOTA: " Method for strengthening paper", & JP - A - 10 709 981 (KYOWA SANGYO CO.) 25-081981 POLYMER SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, vol. 2, WATER-SOLUBLE POLYMERS, 1973, pages 3-19, Plenum Prss, New York, US; W.A. FOSTER: "Water-soluble polymers as flocculants in papermaking" ABSTRACT BULLETIN OF THE INSTITUTE OF PAPER CHEMISTRY, vol. 53, no. 6, December 1982, page 676, Abstract no. 6196, Appleton, Wisconsin, US; J.E. MAHER: "Role of alkenyl succinic anhydride in alkaline papermaking", & TAPPI PAPERMAKERS CONFERENCE (Atlanta) Proc Chenistry al dente'." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7236 January 17, 2009 Hi georger. I'm not sure what you might be implying. I doubt the bills were put in manila folders while wet. And if put in while dry, well, we saw the FBI folders for their 13-14 bills had staining. It's odd that it must have leached out of the bills? But if the bills were dry when stored then leaching like that would have to be some kind of organic chemical that soaked out. These photos were Ingram bills. We have no idea how Ingram bills were stored over time, I guess. Since they were delicate, I suppose they could have been stored in manila folders also. Plastic bags probably would have been bad because the bills would crumple. There could be a long term chemical transfer (acidic) from the manila folder to the bills. But why would it show up with stain edges like in that cropped bill I showed? And not uniform? I think the stain is left over from 1971-1980, not from storage. Can you clarify what you meant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7237 January 17, 2009 QuoteI'm just looking for stuff I might not have noted before. this crop, if you save it and zoom in, is good for seeing what appears to be surface pitting in the white area. Could be embedded sand like Tom talks about? also, the brown stain stuff, that was in the FBI folder, seems to be on the top edge of this bill..i.e. it displays the non-uniform brown (water?) staining. it's also one of the better ones for seeing the telltale threads in the paper. You can see a good red one near the right center if you zoom in. A really good test for Tom would be a tensile strength test. Or another test: When I was a kid, I went to a lab associated with a large paper company. (I'm just remembering) One thing I remember: they tested toilet paper, and they had a gizmo for testing it's resistance to puncture. I suppose that's another way of doing a strength test. But a strength test seems to be a standardized way of testing rate of decomposition. It would at least be a bit of scientific data that could be related to decomposition predictions.[/reply: ----------------------------------------------------- skyjack71 Feb 12, 2008, 10:13 PM Post #150 of 7235 (1320 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 1128 Re: [377] DB Cooper [In reply to] In Reply To , How do you get from a wilderness jump (or farmland jump) and blend back in when there is so much news circulating? Every guy who looked wet and disheveled was a suspect that night. "There was a cabin on the Columbia - owned by an individual who didn't live there." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7238 January 17, 2009 QuoteHi georger. I'm not sure what you might be implying. I doubt the bills were put in manila folders while wet. And if put in while dry, well, we saw the FBI folders for their 13-14 bills had staining. It's odd that it must have leached out of the bills? But if the bills were dry when stored then leaching like that would have to be some kind of organic chemical that soaked out. These photos were Ingram bills. We have no idea how Ingram bills were stored over time, I guess. Since they were delicate, I suppose they could have been stored in manila folders also. Plastic bags probably would have been bad because the bills would crumple. There could be a long term chemical transfer (acidic) from the manila folder to the bills. But why would it show up with stain edges like in that cropped bill I showed? And not uniform? I think the stain is left over from 1971-1980, not from storage. Can you clarify what you meant? "A model was developed, based on the power law of growth and Avrami’s concepts in nuclei growth to describe the heterogeneous nature of alkaline pulping kinetics, taking into account the effects of effective alkali concentration and temperature. It was then applied against published data to estimate model parameters. The final form of the model applied to alkaline pulping of thin hemp woody core in flow-through reactors could be represented by a first order rate equation with a time-dependent rate constant: The rate equations applied for delignification, cellulose and xylan losses. It was found that the heterogeneous kinetic models predicted well the delignification and xylan loss of hemp woody core, with R2 values of 0.96 and 0.97, respectively. The model was, however, less accurate in predicting cellulose loss. The values n, which could represent the acceleration/deceleration extent of growth of reacting volumes, were found to be less than unity. This demonstrated the heterogeneous characteristics of alkaline pulping for hemp woody core. Acidosis contamination was seen at 802um in line with the values n, which could represent the acceleration/ deceleration growth curves asigned. " Keywords: Pulping kinetics; Hemp; Delignification; Xylan; Cellulose also: "Swelling of hemp woody core chips after alkaline (peroxide) impregnation at 70°C, as is practised in alkaline peroxide mechanical pulping (APMP) processes is examined, in relation to pulp yield and chemical composition of the chips. In contrast to wood chips, maximum swelling is attained at elevated temperature (70°C) without chemical treatment, possibly as the result of relatively high porosity of hemp woody core cell walls. Alkaline swelling at 70 °C correlates with the xylan:lignin ratio. Swelling at ambient temperature shows some correlation with acidic group content. Apparent pore size distributions were examined, using 1H NMR spin-spin relaxation. Several apparent pore size distributions could be distinguished within each sample. Elevated temperature, NaOH and peroxide addition are influencing apparent pore size distribution and total pore volume differently. Addition of peroxide results in remarkably enlarged apparent pore sizes, which emphasizes its importance (apart from bleaching) in APMP pulping, enhancing fiber flexibility and fibrillation. Contact transfer times are yet to be delineated but would depend on TiO ratios in the absoption client." Revue / Journal Title Journal of wood chemistry and technology ISSN 0277-3813 CODEN JWCTDJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7239 January 17, 2009 okay thanks. That's complicated but I'll make some guesses about what you're trying to imply. It reminds me of another thing. In looking at the Ingram bills again, I'm wondering if what appeared to be insect holes are possible not due to insects. I was thinking dampwood termites or ants or something like that for a while. And guessing that they only live within some depth relative to the surface, and they would take some amount of time to create holes, and only during some part of the year? and maybe that could be used in thinking about the bills and how long they were exposed, or close to the surface...i.e. not fully covered by water and sand. But then I was thinking that the holes may not be insect and just local behavior of the paper "giving up" in a long term moist environment. Your comment about pores reminded me of that. Could the holes be just larger scale behavior related to the surface pitting? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7240 January 18, 2009 There are no front views of Duane in the album - always with a turn to his head. I morphed the composite with a picture of Duane. I just cut them into and taped them together and used my pencil to smooth out the lines and this is what I got. Note because he was far sighted how much larger the glasses make his eyes. I guess you guys could do this with any of the suspects but I wanted to show you what I see when I look at the composite and the picture of Duane. What I wouldn't give for a frontal picture of Duane around the time of 1971 which is the photo I used - a poor polaroid - the one his ex called "All dressed up 1971."Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7241 January 18, 2009 Another cut copy tape and scan morph. In both instances I have heard that Coopers ears where not as large as Duane's - well when you make them the same size - Duane's ear were smaller. In the avatar I had to add to Duane's ears. In this on I guess Duane has his head sort of down. But I didn't change the ears so you can see ears. This one morphs the 1960 Canon prison shot with the uncirculated Rose Composit.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7242 January 18, 2009 Jo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7243 January 18, 2009 The cover of LIFE magazine, 8/11/72 had a very nice picture of a half-deployed 727 airstair in flight. It was Braniff N4038N I don't think this was an actual hijack. However the photos are very good. The lower part of the stairs are not deployed, and the stairs are only (apparently) half open. But you can imagine being able to duck out and jump even so. It raises an interesting question about the "pressure bump" I think the drop test was done with the lower stairs fully deployed also? (edit) No that doesn't make sense, right? because on the bump up, the lower stairs would impact the fuselage?? Maybe after the stairs bump up, they drop down again to this angle..i.e. not fully closed. And I guess as we said, they lower if weighted. I don't think the lower stairs were removed here..do they normally slide out from the upper stair portion? I don't know what would inhibit or cause that. Maybe the deployment is a two step operation? I thought maybe the photos had been faked in 1972, but the second photo has faint black plume coming out of two engines, so I think the plane really was in flight. although we've seen a bunch of them before, also attached another photo of a MD-88 (727) airstair from the Cooper vantage point so you can see the lower part of the stairs again. It's interesting in it's own right for an interesting reason: Note that fabric/nylon side walls under the handrails aren't there any more. Remember they were "shredded" on Cooper's stairs by the wind, (seen in the Reno pics). Maybe they were removed by the MD-88 time? or just this plane? (edit) you can see the nylon sidewalls in the Braniff photos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7244 January 18, 2009 from http://www.funnyairlinestories.com/stories/single_story.asp?id=137 "Eastern was taxiing out on a 727 when the Flight Engineer noticed the amber airstairs unlocked light illuminated. The Captain said he better check it out. After depressurizing the aircraft the F/E headed aft. Looking though the porthole in the aft entry door, he saw daylight at the top of the airstairs. He opened the door, turned on the light and was reaching for the handle to secure the airstairs when the aircraft hit a bump on the taxiway. The F/E lost his footing and stepped on the moveable part of the airstairs. Since it was already unlocked, that was all it took. The airstairs fell down by gravity and the F/E tumbled down the stairs and onto the taxiway. He was kind of dazed but as he looked up, he observed his airplane taxiing away. The F/E got up and charged back towards the airplane. Delta in back observed the unbelievable action and got on the radio advising Eastern to slow down to let their Engineer catch up. The Eastern Captain had no idea what that was all about but slowed up anyway. The Engineer caught up to the airplane, ran up the airstairs, raised it up and locked it this time. Then he tucked in his shirt and started back to the cockpit. The passengers were wondering what was going on as he passed since he looked like he had had a losing round with Mike Tyson. He was covered with oil and hydraulic fluid spots and his uniform had a number of holes in it. A strange odyssey, but a lot better than having the airstairs fall open during takeoff. Braniff Airways - B-727 Flight Engineer 4/27/2004" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7245 January 18, 2009 QuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot?Quote This is the EXACT thing I have been up against for yrs. The FBI will NOT let me have access to the last encarceration which was Jefferson City - for 1966 to 1968, yet I have been told he WAS NOT in the prison for that complete time. This is the one where the Commutation of Sentence took place - I cannot get them because I cannot prove I am the widow of John Collins - but a reporter was able to get the other records and he was NOT related. The mug shots I have - he has on his glasses except the going out shots from Canon City and they are full shots and he has this BIG smile on his face - and ratty clothes - like a homeless man. If anyone of you has the inside to get those Jefferson City mug shots - it would help a lot. The name was John C. Collins. April of 1966 to March of 1966 ...state of Missouri. Those mug shots just might put an end to this for me - because they are the closest to the crime. I have BEGGED the FBI for these for yrs. THEY know I can't get them. I mentioned this to CARR in this forum. I have sent someone to the prison. We have emailed them and talked to them. One time they will say he was NEVER encarcerated there. Yet when I produce the Commutation - all they had was the written records - the actual mugs are - location unknown. Thanks for seeing my plight - I just want this to end and to be over with. ANYONE with any pull - use the information from that Commutation and the other information - See if you get further than I did. All I got was written information from the state records.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7246 January 18, 2009 QuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. There are other *major differences in features I could note but its a total waste of time. Weber *may in fact have different ethnic features than Cooper. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7247 January 18, 2009 ***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7248 January 18, 2009 Quote***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down. The SLANT is just one thing. It's a whole list of features. Post the original photos from which you made your composite. As for your *special information about what was told to the artist, which artist? Whose artist? When? You are the one making your posts, not me! People can only go by what you post. We aren't mind readers! Also next time at least allow me to finish my post and edit before you jump in ... you may want to read what I posted again and revise you HELL RAISING! ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7249 January 18, 2009 Jo: It would be useful if you did your same morphing experiment with a photo of someone (clean shaven) who in your view doesn't match the composite. By just showing Duane, you could be just doing an experiment that shows anyone can match. You have to show that your Duane experiment is a better match than other photos. Use some of the photos I provided. That would help your case, showing Duane is a "better match" if you believe he is. If there's no real "better", then all this talk about photos is really just a waste of time? (edit) And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7250 January 19, 2009 And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. That is an excellent idea... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 Next Page 290 of 2602 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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snowmman 3 #7236 January 17, 2009 Hi georger. I'm not sure what you might be implying. I doubt the bills were put in manila folders while wet. And if put in while dry, well, we saw the FBI folders for their 13-14 bills had staining. It's odd that it must have leached out of the bills? But if the bills were dry when stored then leaching like that would have to be some kind of organic chemical that soaked out. These photos were Ingram bills. We have no idea how Ingram bills were stored over time, I guess. Since they were delicate, I suppose they could have been stored in manila folders also. Plastic bags probably would have been bad because the bills would crumple. There could be a long term chemical transfer (acidic) from the manila folder to the bills. But why would it show up with stain edges like in that cropped bill I showed? And not uniform? I think the stain is left over from 1971-1980, not from storage. Can you clarify what you meant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 264 #7237 January 17, 2009 QuoteI'm just looking for stuff I might not have noted before. this crop, if you save it and zoom in, is good for seeing what appears to be surface pitting in the white area. Could be embedded sand like Tom talks about? also, the brown stain stuff, that was in the FBI folder, seems to be on the top edge of this bill..i.e. it displays the non-uniform brown (water?) staining. it's also one of the better ones for seeing the telltale threads in the paper. You can see a good red one near the right center if you zoom in. A really good test for Tom would be a tensile strength test. Or another test: When I was a kid, I went to a lab associated with a large paper company. (I'm just remembering) One thing I remember: they tested toilet paper, and they had a gizmo for testing it's resistance to puncture. I suppose that's another way of doing a strength test. But a strength test seems to be a standardized way of testing rate of decomposition. It would at least be a bit of scientific data that could be related to decomposition predictions.[/reply: ----------------------------------------------------- skyjack71 Feb 12, 2008, 10:13 PM Post #150 of 7235 (1320 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 1128 Re: [377] DB Cooper [In reply to] In Reply To , How do you get from a wilderness jump (or farmland jump) and blend back in when there is so much news circulating? Every guy who looked wet and disheveled was a suspect that night. "There was a cabin on the Columbia - owned by an individual who didn't live there." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7238 January 17, 2009 QuoteHi georger. I'm not sure what you might be implying. I doubt the bills were put in manila folders while wet. And if put in while dry, well, we saw the FBI folders for their 13-14 bills had staining. It's odd that it must have leached out of the bills? But if the bills were dry when stored then leaching like that would have to be some kind of organic chemical that soaked out. These photos were Ingram bills. We have no idea how Ingram bills were stored over time, I guess. Since they were delicate, I suppose they could have been stored in manila folders also. Plastic bags probably would have been bad because the bills would crumple. There could be a long term chemical transfer (acidic) from the manila folder to the bills. But why would it show up with stain edges like in that cropped bill I showed? And not uniform? I think the stain is left over from 1971-1980, not from storage. Can you clarify what you meant? "A model was developed, based on the power law of growth and Avrami’s concepts in nuclei growth to describe the heterogeneous nature of alkaline pulping kinetics, taking into account the effects of effective alkali concentration and temperature. It was then applied against published data to estimate model parameters. The final form of the model applied to alkaline pulping of thin hemp woody core in flow-through reactors could be represented by a first order rate equation with a time-dependent rate constant: The rate equations applied for delignification, cellulose and xylan losses. It was found that the heterogeneous kinetic models predicted well the delignification and xylan loss of hemp woody core, with R2 values of 0.96 and 0.97, respectively. The model was, however, less accurate in predicting cellulose loss. The values n, which could represent the acceleration/deceleration extent of growth of reacting volumes, were found to be less than unity. This demonstrated the heterogeneous characteristics of alkaline pulping for hemp woody core. Acidosis contamination was seen at 802um in line with the values n, which could represent the acceleration/ deceleration growth curves asigned. " Keywords: Pulping kinetics; Hemp; Delignification; Xylan; Cellulose also: "Swelling of hemp woody core chips after alkaline (peroxide) impregnation at 70°C, as is practised in alkaline peroxide mechanical pulping (APMP) processes is examined, in relation to pulp yield and chemical composition of the chips. In contrast to wood chips, maximum swelling is attained at elevated temperature (70°C) without chemical treatment, possibly as the result of relatively high porosity of hemp woody core cell walls. Alkaline swelling at 70 °C correlates with the xylan:lignin ratio. Swelling at ambient temperature shows some correlation with acidic group content. Apparent pore size distributions were examined, using 1H NMR spin-spin relaxation. Several apparent pore size distributions could be distinguished within each sample. Elevated temperature, NaOH and peroxide addition are influencing apparent pore size distribution and total pore volume differently. Addition of peroxide results in remarkably enlarged apparent pore sizes, which emphasizes its importance (apart from bleaching) in APMP pulping, enhancing fiber flexibility and fibrillation. Contact transfer times are yet to be delineated but would depend on TiO ratios in the absoption client." Revue / Journal Title Journal of wood chemistry and technology ISSN 0277-3813 CODEN JWCTDJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7239 January 17, 2009 okay thanks. That's complicated but I'll make some guesses about what you're trying to imply. It reminds me of another thing. In looking at the Ingram bills again, I'm wondering if what appeared to be insect holes are possible not due to insects. I was thinking dampwood termites or ants or something like that for a while. And guessing that they only live within some depth relative to the surface, and they would take some amount of time to create holes, and only during some part of the year? and maybe that could be used in thinking about the bills and how long they were exposed, or close to the surface...i.e. not fully covered by water and sand. But then I was thinking that the holes may not be insect and just local behavior of the paper "giving up" in a long term moist environment. Your comment about pores reminded me of that. Could the holes be just larger scale behavior related to the surface pitting? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7240 January 18, 2009 There are no front views of Duane in the album - always with a turn to his head. I morphed the composite with a picture of Duane. I just cut them into and taped them together and used my pencil to smooth out the lines and this is what I got. Note because he was far sighted how much larger the glasses make his eyes. I guess you guys could do this with any of the suspects but I wanted to show you what I see when I look at the composite and the picture of Duane. What I wouldn't give for a frontal picture of Duane around the time of 1971 which is the photo I used - a poor polaroid - the one his ex called "All dressed up 1971."Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7241 January 18, 2009 Another cut copy tape and scan morph. In both instances I have heard that Coopers ears where not as large as Duane's - well when you make them the same size - Duane's ear were smaller. In the avatar I had to add to Duane's ears. In this on I guess Duane has his head sort of down. But I didn't change the ears so you can see ears. This one morphs the 1960 Canon prison shot with the uncirculated Rose Composit.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7242 January 18, 2009 Jo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7243 January 18, 2009 The cover of LIFE magazine, 8/11/72 had a very nice picture of a half-deployed 727 airstair in flight. It was Braniff N4038N I don't think this was an actual hijack. However the photos are very good. The lower part of the stairs are not deployed, and the stairs are only (apparently) half open. But you can imagine being able to duck out and jump even so. It raises an interesting question about the "pressure bump" I think the drop test was done with the lower stairs fully deployed also? (edit) No that doesn't make sense, right? because on the bump up, the lower stairs would impact the fuselage?? Maybe after the stairs bump up, they drop down again to this angle..i.e. not fully closed. And I guess as we said, they lower if weighted. I don't think the lower stairs were removed here..do they normally slide out from the upper stair portion? I don't know what would inhibit or cause that. Maybe the deployment is a two step operation? I thought maybe the photos had been faked in 1972, but the second photo has faint black plume coming out of two engines, so I think the plane really was in flight. although we've seen a bunch of them before, also attached another photo of a MD-88 (727) airstair from the Cooper vantage point so you can see the lower part of the stairs again. It's interesting in it's own right for an interesting reason: Note that fabric/nylon side walls under the handrails aren't there any more. Remember they were "shredded" on Cooper's stairs by the wind, (seen in the Reno pics). Maybe they were removed by the MD-88 time? or just this plane? (edit) you can see the nylon sidewalls in the Braniff photos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7244 January 18, 2009 from http://www.funnyairlinestories.com/stories/single_story.asp?id=137 "Eastern was taxiing out on a 727 when the Flight Engineer noticed the amber airstairs unlocked light illuminated. The Captain said he better check it out. After depressurizing the aircraft the F/E headed aft. Looking though the porthole in the aft entry door, he saw daylight at the top of the airstairs. He opened the door, turned on the light and was reaching for the handle to secure the airstairs when the aircraft hit a bump on the taxiway. The F/E lost his footing and stepped on the moveable part of the airstairs. Since it was already unlocked, that was all it took. The airstairs fell down by gravity and the F/E tumbled down the stairs and onto the taxiway. He was kind of dazed but as he looked up, he observed his airplane taxiing away. The F/E got up and charged back towards the airplane. Delta in back observed the unbelievable action and got on the radio advising Eastern to slow down to let their Engineer catch up. The Eastern Captain had no idea what that was all about but slowed up anyway. The Engineer caught up to the airplane, ran up the airstairs, raised it up and locked it this time. Then he tucked in his shirt and started back to the cockpit. The passengers were wondering what was going on as he passed since he looked like he had had a losing round with Mike Tyson. He was covered with oil and hydraulic fluid spots and his uniform had a number of holes in it. A strange odyssey, but a lot better than having the airstairs fall open during takeoff. Braniff Airways - B-727 Flight Engineer 4/27/2004" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7245 January 18, 2009 QuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot?Quote This is the EXACT thing I have been up against for yrs. The FBI will NOT let me have access to the last encarceration which was Jefferson City - for 1966 to 1968, yet I have been told he WAS NOT in the prison for that complete time. This is the one where the Commutation of Sentence took place - I cannot get them because I cannot prove I am the widow of John Collins - but a reporter was able to get the other records and he was NOT related. The mug shots I have - he has on his glasses except the going out shots from Canon City and they are full shots and he has this BIG smile on his face - and ratty clothes - like a homeless man. If anyone of you has the inside to get those Jefferson City mug shots - it would help a lot. The name was John C. Collins. April of 1966 to March of 1966 ...state of Missouri. Those mug shots just might put an end to this for me - because they are the closest to the crime. I have BEGGED the FBI for these for yrs. THEY know I can't get them. I mentioned this to CARR in this forum. I have sent someone to the prison. We have emailed them and talked to them. One time they will say he was NEVER encarcerated there. Yet when I produce the Commutation - all they had was the written records - the actual mugs are - location unknown. Thanks for seeing my plight - I just want this to end and to be over with. ANYONE with any pull - use the information from that Commutation and the other information - See if you get further than I did. All I got was written information from the state records.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7246 January 18, 2009 QuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. There are other *major differences in features I could note but its a total waste of time. Weber *may in fact have different ethnic features than Cooper. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7247 January 18, 2009 ***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7248 January 18, 2009 Quote***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down. The SLANT is just one thing. It's a whole list of features. Post the original photos from which you made your composite. As for your *special information about what was told to the artist, which artist? Whose artist? When? You are the one making your posts, not me! People can only go by what you post. We aren't mind readers! Also next time at least allow me to finish my post and edit before you jump in ... you may want to read what I posted again and revise you HELL RAISING! ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7249 January 18, 2009 Jo: It would be useful if you did your same morphing experiment with a photo of someone (clean shaven) who in your view doesn't match the composite. By just showing Duane, you could be just doing an experiment that shows anyone can match. You have to show that your Duane experiment is a better match than other photos. Use some of the photos I provided. That would help your case, showing Duane is a "better match" if you believe he is. If there's no real "better", then all this talk about photos is really just a waste of time? (edit) And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7250 January 19, 2009 And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. That is an excellent idea... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 Next Page 290 of 2602 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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georger 264 #7238 January 17, 2009 QuoteHi georger. I'm not sure what you might be implying. I doubt the bills were put in manila folders while wet. And if put in while dry, well, we saw the FBI folders for their 13-14 bills had staining. It's odd that it must have leached out of the bills? But if the bills were dry when stored then leaching like that would have to be some kind of organic chemical that soaked out. These photos were Ingram bills. We have no idea how Ingram bills were stored over time, I guess. Since they were delicate, I suppose they could have been stored in manila folders also. Plastic bags probably would have been bad because the bills would crumple. There could be a long term chemical transfer (acidic) from the manila folder to the bills. But why would it show up with stain edges like in that cropped bill I showed? And not uniform? I think the stain is left over from 1971-1980, not from storage. Can you clarify what you meant? "A model was developed, based on the power law of growth and Avrami’s concepts in nuclei growth to describe the heterogeneous nature of alkaline pulping kinetics, taking into account the effects of effective alkali concentration and temperature. It was then applied against published data to estimate model parameters. The final form of the model applied to alkaline pulping of thin hemp woody core in flow-through reactors could be represented by a first order rate equation with a time-dependent rate constant: The rate equations applied for delignification, cellulose and xylan losses. It was found that the heterogeneous kinetic models predicted well the delignification and xylan loss of hemp woody core, with R2 values of 0.96 and 0.97, respectively. The model was, however, less accurate in predicting cellulose loss. The values n, which could represent the acceleration/deceleration extent of growth of reacting volumes, were found to be less than unity. This demonstrated the heterogeneous characteristics of alkaline pulping for hemp woody core. Acidosis contamination was seen at 802um in line with the values n, which could represent the acceleration/ deceleration growth curves asigned. " Keywords: Pulping kinetics; Hemp; Delignification; Xylan; Cellulose also: "Swelling of hemp woody core chips after alkaline (peroxide) impregnation at 70°C, as is practised in alkaline peroxide mechanical pulping (APMP) processes is examined, in relation to pulp yield and chemical composition of the chips. In contrast to wood chips, maximum swelling is attained at elevated temperature (70°C) without chemical treatment, possibly as the result of relatively high porosity of hemp woody core cell walls. Alkaline swelling at 70 °C correlates with the xylan:lignin ratio. Swelling at ambient temperature shows some correlation with acidic group content. Apparent pore size distributions were examined, using 1H NMR spin-spin relaxation. Several apparent pore size distributions could be distinguished within each sample. Elevated temperature, NaOH and peroxide addition are influencing apparent pore size distribution and total pore volume differently. Addition of peroxide results in remarkably enlarged apparent pore sizes, which emphasizes its importance (apart from bleaching) in APMP pulping, enhancing fiber flexibility and fibrillation. Contact transfer times are yet to be delineated but would depend on TiO ratios in the absoption client." Revue / Journal Title Journal of wood chemistry and technology ISSN 0277-3813 CODEN JWCTDJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7239 January 17, 2009 okay thanks. That's complicated but I'll make some guesses about what you're trying to imply. It reminds me of another thing. In looking at the Ingram bills again, I'm wondering if what appeared to be insect holes are possible not due to insects. I was thinking dampwood termites or ants or something like that for a while. And guessing that they only live within some depth relative to the surface, and they would take some amount of time to create holes, and only during some part of the year? and maybe that could be used in thinking about the bills and how long they were exposed, or close to the surface...i.e. not fully covered by water and sand. But then I was thinking that the holes may not be insect and just local behavior of the paper "giving up" in a long term moist environment. Your comment about pores reminded me of that. Could the holes be just larger scale behavior related to the surface pitting? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7240 January 18, 2009 There are no front views of Duane in the album - always with a turn to his head. I morphed the composite with a picture of Duane. I just cut them into and taped them together and used my pencil to smooth out the lines and this is what I got. Note because he was far sighted how much larger the glasses make his eyes. I guess you guys could do this with any of the suspects but I wanted to show you what I see when I look at the composite and the picture of Duane. What I wouldn't give for a frontal picture of Duane around the time of 1971 which is the photo I used - a poor polaroid - the one his ex called "All dressed up 1971."Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7241 January 18, 2009 Another cut copy tape and scan morph. In both instances I have heard that Coopers ears where not as large as Duane's - well when you make them the same size - Duane's ear were smaller. In the avatar I had to add to Duane's ears. In this on I guess Duane has his head sort of down. But I didn't change the ears so you can see ears. This one morphs the 1960 Canon prison shot with the uncirculated Rose Composit.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7242 January 18, 2009 Jo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7243 January 18, 2009 The cover of LIFE magazine, 8/11/72 had a very nice picture of a half-deployed 727 airstair in flight. It was Braniff N4038N I don't think this was an actual hijack. However the photos are very good. The lower part of the stairs are not deployed, and the stairs are only (apparently) half open. But you can imagine being able to duck out and jump even so. It raises an interesting question about the "pressure bump" I think the drop test was done with the lower stairs fully deployed also? (edit) No that doesn't make sense, right? because on the bump up, the lower stairs would impact the fuselage?? Maybe after the stairs bump up, they drop down again to this angle..i.e. not fully closed. And I guess as we said, they lower if weighted. I don't think the lower stairs were removed here..do they normally slide out from the upper stair portion? I don't know what would inhibit or cause that. Maybe the deployment is a two step operation? I thought maybe the photos had been faked in 1972, but the second photo has faint black plume coming out of two engines, so I think the plane really was in flight. although we've seen a bunch of them before, also attached another photo of a MD-88 (727) airstair from the Cooper vantage point so you can see the lower part of the stairs again. It's interesting in it's own right for an interesting reason: Note that fabric/nylon side walls under the handrails aren't there any more. Remember they were "shredded" on Cooper's stairs by the wind, (seen in the Reno pics). Maybe they were removed by the MD-88 time? or just this plane? (edit) you can see the nylon sidewalls in the Braniff photos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7244 January 18, 2009 from http://www.funnyairlinestories.com/stories/single_story.asp?id=137 "Eastern was taxiing out on a 727 when the Flight Engineer noticed the amber airstairs unlocked light illuminated. The Captain said he better check it out. After depressurizing the aircraft the F/E headed aft. Looking though the porthole in the aft entry door, he saw daylight at the top of the airstairs. He opened the door, turned on the light and was reaching for the handle to secure the airstairs when the aircraft hit a bump on the taxiway. The F/E lost his footing and stepped on the moveable part of the airstairs. Since it was already unlocked, that was all it took. The airstairs fell down by gravity and the F/E tumbled down the stairs and onto the taxiway. He was kind of dazed but as he looked up, he observed his airplane taxiing away. The F/E got up and charged back towards the airplane. Delta in back observed the unbelievable action and got on the radio advising Eastern to slow down to let their Engineer catch up. The Eastern Captain had no idea what that was all about but slowed up anyway. The Engineer caught up to the airplane, ran up the airstairs, raised it up and locked it this time. Then he tucked in his shirt and started back to the cockpit. The passengers were wondering what was going on as he passed since he looked like he had had a losing round with Mike Tyson. He was covered with oil and hydraulic fluid spots and his uniform had a number of holes in it. A strange odyssey, but a lot better than having the airstairs fall open during takeoff. Braniff Airways - B-727 Flight Engineer 4/27/2004" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7245 January 18, 2009 QuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot?Quote This is the EXACT thing I have been up against for yrs. The FBI will NOT let me have access to the last encarceration which was Jefferson City - for 1966 to 1968, yet I have been told he WAS NOT in the prison for that complete time. This is the one where the Commutation of Sentence took place - I cannot get them because I cannot prove I am the widow of John Collins - but a reporter was able to get the other records and he was NOT related. The mug shots I have - he has on his glasses except the going out shots from Canon City and they are full shots and he has this BIG smile on his face - and ratty clothes - like a homeless man. If anyone of you has the inside to get those Jefferson City mug shots - it would help a lot. The name was John C. Collins. April of 1966 to March of 1966 ...state of Missouri. Those mug shots just might put an end to this for me - because they are the closest to the crime. I have BEGGED the FBI for these for yrs. THEY know I can't get them. I mentioned this to CARR in this forum. I have sent someone to the prison. We have emailed them and talked to them. One time they will say he was NEVER encarcerated there. Yet when I produce the Commutation - all they had was the written records - the actual mugs are - location unknown. Thanks for seeing my plight - I just want this to end and to be over with. ANYONE with any pull - use the information from that Commutation and the other information - See if you get further than I did. All I got was written information from the state records.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7246 January 18, 2009 QuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. There are other *major differences in features I could note but its a total waste of time. Weber *may in fact have different ethnic features than Cooper. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7247 January 18, 2009 ***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7248 January 18, 2009 Quote***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down. The SLANT is just one thing. It's a whole list of features. Post the original photos from which you made your composite. As for your *special information about what was told to the artist, which artist? Whose artist? When? You are the one making your posts, not me! People can only go by what you post. We aren't mind readers! Also next time at least allow me to finish my post and edit before you jump in ... you may want to read what I posted again and revise you HELL RAISING! ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7249 January 18, 2009 Jo: It would be useful if you did your same morphing experiment with a photo of someone (clean shaven) who in your view doesn't match the composite. By just showing Duane, you could be just doing an experiment that shows anyone can match. You have to show that your Duane experiment is a better match than other photos. Use some of the photos I provided. That would help your case, showing Duane is a "better match" if you believe he is. If there's no real "better", then all this talk about photos is really just a waste of time? (edit) And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 264 #7250 January 19, 2009 And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. That is an excellent idea... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 264 #7246 January 18, 2009 QuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. There are other *major differences in features I could note but its a total waste of time. Weber *may in fact have different ethnic features than Cooper. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7247 January 18, 2009 ***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 264 #7248 January 18, 2009 Quote***QuoteQuoteJo, can you get hold of one of Duane's mugshots by any chance - there would be a frontal view available there, so no need for morphing? Would there have been one done within a few years of the hijacking? Q to those who know: would he have had to take any glasses off for the mugshot? Here is a side shot of Weber. Notice the backward sloping forehead on Weber. No Cooper rendering shows this feature. Even an amateur can judge the cranial proportions for Cooper vs Weber being different. This is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite off, so you can't see the skulls dont line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top of the skulls to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. By the way: there is a ton of material and software on the Net about facial recognition & comparison. 88888888888 Georger I didn't clip anything off. You are not an artist and if you examine the composites you will see the shading done by the artist to depict the slant of the forehead. The slanted forehead is the very reason that if a short person is looking at Cooper he would see a shorter forhead. A person on his level would see a moderate forehead. A taller person or some one above him would see a very high forehead. This SLANT was described to the ARTIST. You take anything you can that I say or do and rip it apart. Why don't you for just one time truly try to help. I am trying to end this - I need for it to be over...don't you understand that. BUT with factual information - not just something you contrive to tear me down. The SLANT is just one thing. It's a whole list of features. Post the original photos from which you made your composite. As for your *special information about what was told to the artist, which artist? Whose artist? When? You are the one making your posts, not me! People can only go by what you post. We aren't mind readers! Also next time at least allow me to finish my post and edit before you jump in ... you may want to read what I posted again and revise you HELL RAISING! ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7249 January 18, 2009 Jo: It would be useful if you did your same morphing experiment with a photo of someone (clean shaven) who in your view doesn't match the composite. By just showing Duane, you could be just doing an experiment that shows anyone can match. You have to show that your Duane experiment is a better match than other photos. Use some of the photos I provided. That would help your case, showing Duane is a "better match" if you believe he is. If there's no real "better", then all this talk about photos is really just a waste of time? (edit) And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 264 #7250 January 19, 2009 And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to think about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. That is an excellent idea... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
