DB Cooper

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(What evidence does the FBI have that Weber was NOT Cooper). If they have proof he was not Cooper WHY haven't they come forward with that proof.

Jo,

I understand your frustration, but the FBI has better things to do than prove suspects are not wanted criminals in order to satisfy family members needs or demands
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They looked at Duane, found no probative unequivocal evidence that he actually was Cooper and moved on. Proving Duane was not Cooper is an inefficient use of investigative resources. Their refusal to go further with investigating Duane riles you up, but that is their call.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So far nothing you have offered proves Duane was Cooper, only that he might have been. Thousands of people might have been.

The FBI wants to solve this case as much as you do, but their solution is not predetermined. It is an open question with them, but not with you. All Cooper roads lead to Duane and vice versa as you see it. The FBI sees it as an unsolved case in which a number of suspects have been looked at, but none provably Cooper.

You are biased. You are sure Duane was Cooper or at the very least was involved with Cooper. You refuse to consider that he just knew about Cooper, as many did, and had ZERO involvement.

You see coverup and conspiracy in every goof the FBI made in their investigation. The truth is far less glamorous. Evidence gets lost, mislabeled, altered and even pilfered. I got a few cases dismissed due to evidence handling screwups. It happens from time to time even with no conspiracy, coverup or bad intentions.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

Pal Dows is 20 mi N of Iowa City.
georger has said he's in Iowa City.
There is only one Menards in Iowa City
2605 NAPLES AVENUE
Iowa City, IA 52240

I'm guessing georger wasn't able to buy one.

on Jan 12, 2009, the Gazette Online says that there were hard to find in Marion and Cedar Rapids.
Would guys like Billy Horrigan remember a description of who he sold to?

http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090113/NEWS/701139992/1006
Gazette Online, IA - Jan 12, 2009
Lowe's Home Improvement Center and Home Depot in Cedar Rapids were both out of snowblowers. Menards stores in Marion and Cedar Rapids each had only one model remaining.

"I'm sitting on eight or 10 of them, mostly the bigger ones that take a larger snowfall," said Billy Horrigan, manager of the Theisen's store at 3111 16th Ave. SW in Cedar Rapids. After they are gone, Horrigan doubts he'll be able to order any more.


Lenoch & Cilek Ace Hardware made a serious effort to order enough snowblowers this winter, and the bet appears to be paying off.

"We've kept up, through corporate, with finding different dealers," said Emily Meis, assistant manager of Lenoch & Cilek's Coralville store. She said the company's stores still had a good variety of snowblowers priced from about $400 to about $1,500 on Monday.

Home Depot in Cedar Rapids wasn't so fortunate. The store ordered more snowblowers than last winter and still ran out. It scoured other Home Depot stores as distant as Idaho to find extra snowblowers it could sell, but eventually ran out again.

Sales of snowblowers at the Cedar Rapids Home Depot are up about 40 percent from last year, one employee estimated.

[snowmman 3]

georger said:
" ... the Russian link is viable
so Im sorry you arent interested..."

georger, my quick look was that the russian thing you quoted was a total joke.
what are you referencing?

Here's the joke page:
http://www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php?thread=The_D.B._Cooper_Story&userid=guest@todayinah.co.uk

11/24/71
In 1971, would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was arrested by FBI agents just minutes before he was scheduled to board a Northwest Airlines flight from Portland to Seattle. Earlier that day, the agency's Portland office had received an anonymous tip about the hijacking plot from a tourist who said he overheard Cooper talking on a payphone to someone identified only as 'Raoul'.


11/28/71
In 1971, FBI agents made a shocking discovery in the case of would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper: the mysterious 'Raoul' he had been talking to prior to his arrest was a high-ranking station chief with Cuba's DGI intelligence service. This suggested that Cooper might have been part of a Soviet spy ring and the hijacking attempt was actually a cover for a possible defection to the Communist bloc.

12/22/71
On this day in 1971, FBI agents in Los Angeles intercepted a KGB liquidation squad that had been sent to the United States to kill sleeper agent Dmitri Kaprinsky, alias D.B. Cooper.

4/9/1985
In 1985, thirteen years into his life prison sentence for espionage and attempted hijacking, Dmitri Kaprinsky, alias D.B. Cooper, died of a heart attack in his cell.

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georger said:
" ... the Russian link is viable
so Im sorry you arent interested..."

georger, my quick look was that the russian thing you quoted was a total joke.
what are you referencing?

Here's the joke page:
http://www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php?thread=The_D.B._Cooper_Story&userid=guest@todayinah.co.uk

11/24/71
In 1971, would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was arrested by FBI agents just minutes before he was scheduled to board a Northwest Airlines flight from Portland to Seattle. Earlier that day, the agency's Portland office had received an anonymous tip about the hijacking plot from a tourist who said he overheard Cooper talking on a payphone to someone identified only as 'Raoul'.


11/28/71
In 1971, FBI agents made a shocking discovery in the case of would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper: the mysterious 'Raoul' he had been talking to prior to his arrest was a high-ranking station chief with Cuba's DGI intelligence service. This suggested that Cooper might have been part of a Soviet spy ring and the hijacking attempt was actually a cover for a possible defection to the Communist bloc.

12/22/71
On this day in 1971, FBI agents in Los Angeles intercepted a KGB liquidation squad that had been sent to the United States to kill sleeper agent Dmitri Kaprinsky, alias D.B. Cooper.

4/9/1985
In 1985, thirteen years into his life prison sentence for espionage and attempted hijacking, Dmitri Kaprinsky, alias D.B. Cooper, died of a heart attack in his cell.

I postulated a Russian link based on actual facts.
That it links to a joke page on 'what-if' history is
a case of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Disregard the joke page(s). Focus on what I posted.
What I posted is a theory. It maybe a weak theory
but it is a theory based on facts I have linked
together. The theory has at least as much merit
as the Weber theory, and perhaps more.

Does a KGB file exist on DB Cooper?

Georger

[snowmman 3]

trainsurfing is apparently a niche thing to do in some countries, especially Germany. I read somewhere that it's not strictly illegal to ride outside if you have a ticket, there.

watch the suction cup usage here on this high speed train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvm5H4F-aA

So here's the idea: I need some jumpers who are willing to suction cup themselves to the outside of a commercial jet taking off, and release and jump once the jet gets to altitude.

Since there are cases of guys crawling into the wheel wells of planes taking off, I figure this is possible.

Oh p.s. This is part of a top secret hijacking plan, so keep it under your hat.

Worst case, we'll just film and put it on youtube, but that will be worth it enough?

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Georger, best you be careful with what you post, seems some people miss the irony and take you at your word. Like your, um, "identification" of CIA agents...

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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I postulated a Russian link based on actual facts.
That it links to a joke page on 'what-if' history is
a case of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Disregard the joke page(s). Focus on what I posted.
What I posted is a theory. It maybe a weak theory
but it is a theory based on facts I have linked
together. The theory has at least as much merit
as the Weber theory, and perhaps more.

Does a KGB file exist on DB Cooper?

Georger

The first paragraph of what you posted was from a google cached version of the joke page:
here:
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ruIK9EQjEfkJ:www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php%3Fuserid%3Dguest%40todayinah.co.uk%26searchfield1%3DFrance+being+debriefed+at+a+CIA+safe+house+in+France+was+shown+a+photo+of+Cooper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

"December 2
On this day in 1971, suspicions that foiled would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was a Soviet spy were confirmed when a KGB defector being debriefed at a CIA safe house in France was shown a photo of Cooper and identified him as one Dmitri Kaprinsky, a sleeper agent who'd been working undercover in the United States since the late 1950s. 'D.B. Cooper' was an alias created by the KGB to facilitate Kaprinsky's infiltration into American society."

How I am supposed to take what you say following that seriously? You copied this first paragraph.
What actual facts are you talking about?

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Anyone with involvement in covert actions of any kind are NOT going to stand out there and wave a flag saying here I am.

Actually, plenty of them have. Have you read any of the links I've posted? It is almost impossible to keep anything secret unless only one or two individuals were involved, especially in the internet age. As for wide-ranging conspiracies involving multiple govt agencies and individuals lasting for decades... forget it.

And anyway, while all the CIA etc links are entertaining and interesting, so far there is ZERO evidence to prove any linkage whatsoever to DB Cooper. The closest link might - MIGHT - be that Cooper knew about the CIA 727 airdrops. That is a long way away from anything you have.

I agree with 377's responses to all your "WHY"s - the FBI clearly has better uses for its time and resources. You know, like going after known criminals, or people they are pretty sure have actually committed crimes. If they had to prove people were not criminals, they would have close to 300m people to do it with. Wanna guess how much your taxes would have to go up to pay for that?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Georger, best you be careful with what you post, seems some people miss the irony and take you at your word. Like your, um, "identification" of CIA agents...

WTF are you talking about? What ID of CIA agents?

G.

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I postulated a Russian link based on actual facts.
That it links to a joke page on 'what-if' history is
a case of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Disregard the joke page(s). Focus on what I posted.
What I posted is a theory. It maybe a weak theory
but it is a theory based on facts I have linked
together. The theory has at least as much merit
as the Weber theory, and perhaps more.

Does a KGB file exist on DB Cooper?

Georger

The first paragraph of what you posted was from a google cached version of the joke page:
here:
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ruIK9EQjEfkJ:www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php%3Fuserid%3Dguest%40todayinah.co.uk%26searchfield1%3DFrance+being+debriefed+at+a+CIA+safe+house+in+France+was+shown+a+photo+of+Cooper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

"December 2
On this day in 1971, suspicions that foiled would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was a Soviet spy were confirmed when a KGB defector being debriefed at a CIA safe house in France was shown a photo of Cooper and identified him as one Dmitri Kaprinsky, a sleeper agent who'd been working undercover in the United States since the late 1950s. 'D.B. Cooper' was an alias created by the KGB to facilitate Kaprinsky's infiltration into American society."

How I am supposed to take what you say following that seriously? You copied this first paragraph.
What actual facts are you talking about?

Have IQ's and manners dropped here 30 points?
I already ex-schlained. Seeeeeesh. Get a life!

G.

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I postulated a Russian link based on actual facts.
That it links to a joke page on 'what-if' history is
a case of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Disregard the joke page(s). Focus on what I posted.
What I posted is a theory. It maybe a weak theory
but it is a theory based on facts I have linked
together. The theory has at least as much merit
as the Weber theory, and perhaps more.

Does a KGB file exist on DB Cooper?

Georger

The first paragraph of what you posted was from a google cached version of the joke page:
here:
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ruIK9EQjEfkJ:www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php%3Fuserid%3Dguest%40todayinah.co.uk%26searchfield1%3DFrance+being+debriefed+at+a+CIA+safe+house+in+France+was+shown+a+photo+of+Cooper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

"December 2
On this day in 1971, suspicions that foiled would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was a Soviet spy were confirmed when a KGB defector being debriefed at a CIA safe house in France was shown a photo of Cooper and identified him as one Dmitri Kaprinsky, a sleeper agent who'd been working undercover in the United States since the late 1950s. 'D.B. Cooper' was an alias created by the KGB to facilitate Kaprinsky's infiltration into American society."

How I am supposed to take what you say following that seriously? You copied this first paragraph.
What actual facts are you talking about?

I said 50 times - THEORY THEORY THEORY THEORY THEORY. Do you need the word explained OR is it
that YOUR theories are the only THEORIES that matter here? What is this? You explain.... if this
is something more than pure smarm on your end?


G.

[snowmman 3]

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Georger, best you be careful with what you post, seems some people miss the irony and take you at your word. Like your, um, "identification" of CIA agents...

he didn't say NSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxm7-yM7l1s

[snowmman 3]

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I postulated a Russian link based on actual facts.
That it links to a joke page on 'what-if' history is
a case of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Disregard the joke page(s). Focus on what I posted.
What I posted is a theory. It maybe a weak theory
but it is a theory based on facts I have linked
together. The theory has at least as much merit
as the Weber theory, and perhaps more.

Does a KGB file exist on DB Cooper?

Georger

The first paragraph of what you posted was from a google cached version of the joke page:
here:
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ruIK9EQjEfkJ:www.todayinah.co.uk/index.php%3Fuserid%3Dguest%40todayinah.co.uk%26searchfield1%3DFrance+being+debriefed+at+a+CIA+safe+house+in+France+was+shown+a+photo+of+Cooper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

"December 2
On this day in 1971, suspicions that foiled would-be hijacker D.B. Cooper was a Soviet spy were confirmed when a KGB defector being debriefed at a CIA safe house in France was shown a photo of Cooper and identified him as one Dmitri Kaprinsky, a sleeper agent who'd been working undercover in the United States since the late 1950s. 'D.B. Cooper' was an alias created by the KGB to facilitate Kaprinsky's infiltration into American society."

How I am supposed to take what you say following that seriously? You copied this first paragraph.
What actual facts are you talking about?

I said 50 times - THEORY THEORY THEORY THEORY THEORY. Do you need the word explained OR is it
that YOUR theories are the only THEORIES that matter here? What is this? You explain.... if this
is something more than pure smarm on your end?


G.

sorry, I'll back off. From your chewing on Jo, I thought you appreciated a good dog attack? My mistake.

"pure smarm" ? never been accused of that before, but pure must be related to high quality, so I'll take whatever compliments I can get.

[snowmman 3]

"Seeeeeesh. Get a life!"

I've never seen statements like that actually affect anyone's behavior on an internet forum.

Has anyone? Any case examples?

[Orange1 0]

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Georger, best you be careful with what you post, seems some people miss the irony and take you at your word. Like your, um, "identification" of CIA agents...

WTF are you talking about? What ID of CIA agents?

G.

Chevron Man.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Georger, best you be careful with what you post, seems some people miss the irony and take you at your word. Like your, um, "identification" of CIA agents...

WTF are you talking about? What ID of CIA agents?

G.

Chevron Man.

Chevron Man was identified as a MORON PIONEER!
(slip of the tongue) MORMON PIONEER
By me. You have ME confused with JO who is searching
for a CIA link with the Chevron...
My cousin Pam was a Bell exec for years in Salt Lake City so I asked her - that's what she thought but it was a pure guess based on offices in that building she
remembered. In the context of the the Weber matter does it even matter?

I explained all of this before.

G.

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Georger, best you be careful with what you post, seems some people miss the irony and take you at your word. Like your, um, "identification" of CIA agents...

WTF are you talking about? What ID of CIA agents?

G.

Chevron Man.

This forum, or whatever it is, seems to be off topic.
Wildly off topic for extended periods at times. The
Jo Weber Industry and Snowmman's brilliance
dominate everything here, or maybe it's just
me. Im not sure. Im leaving for all practical purposes
and hopefully you will all do better without me.

Georger

[Orange1 0]

Georger, this (the bolded bit) is what I (and Jo) refer to:

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Just the tip of the iceberg, I would imagine.
I mean you and Duane's behavior. Sinister. Two
morons running around doing cloak-n-dagger. Did
it ever occur to you, you might be arrested or at
least questioned and placed on a list?

And shouldn't the real DB Cooper be in hiding
vs out snooping around taking clandestine photos
of CIA people in public, in broad daylite!?

This "Cooper" (Duane and Jo Snooper Industries)
can operate overt and covert without risk or fear
of detection, in spite of the fact one of them is
one of the most sought out criminals on the
planet and on the FBI's top ten list! All in Sault
Lake City no less, where people are rather sensitive
to being watched and photographed ( a relative of
mine for example, who was in adminstraton at the
major Bell Telephone complex there)! ............

I took it as irony, Jo appears to insist that you have postively identified someone as a CIA agent and thus yourself must work for a govt agency.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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"Seeeeeesh. Get a life!"

I've never seen statements like that actually affect anyone's behavior on an internet forum.

Has anyone? Any case examples?

No, can't say that I have.

How about "have a nice day"? Does that ever work?

What ever happened to the night clerk? Jo, did he actually get interviewed by the FBI? If so was it by phone or in person? I know the answer is somewhere back in the forum archives but I cant find it.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Im leaving for all practical purposes
and hopefully you will all do better without me.

Georger

Don't leave Georger. We need balance here. The seesaw will tip wildly without you. Reconsider please.

The forum does get entropic but it eventually swings around to on topic DB Cooper discussions. Hang in there.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

377, as always is the calm voice of reason.

Probably the only such one in this forum

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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377, as always is the calm voice of reason.

Probably the only such one in this forum

Well, my teenage kids would never agree with that assessment, but I like to. Thanks Orange!

I will never threaten to leave. One day it might just be down to just me, Jo and Quade. Jo and I could go back and forth forever, as you may have noticed.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

wrt to Georger, and that russian thing, I honestly didn't know if he was pulling our legs, or whether he thought there was something there.

I still don't know. I thought the russian thing is all a joke. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

I didn't introduce, so I didn't mean to go off topic.

I thought my Menard's thing was a good example of how back in 1971, chasing the dry cell purchase might have paid off. I thought georger was implying that didn't make sense.

georger's posting style made me think that direct statements wouldn't offend him like they might Jo.

If I offended georger or pulled the thread off topic, I apologize. Did i mean to throw barbs at georger? I guess so, but no worse than what he throws at Jo. Seemed to make sense.

If what georger said about the money find is true, then that info is as seminal as anything Sluggo provided about the flight path.

I still am not sure if it's all true though. He had a lot of detailed info, that I can't source.

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377, as always is the calm voice of reason.

Probably the only such one in this forum

Well, my teenage kids would never agree with that assessment, but I like to. Thanks Orange!

I will never threaten to leave. One day it might just be down to just me, Jo and Quade. Jo and I could go back and forth forever, as you may have noticed.

377

No, I'll still be here and I'd bet Orange1 will stick for a while too. It gets a little weird every so often, but, like a train wreck, I just can't not look.

Edit to add: I don't see Georger's Russian spy theory any more far-fetched than any other that has been proposed.

And I'm not 100% sure that if Cooper died (no-pull or of exposure after landing) that his body wasn't found. How tempting would it have been to keep the money?? Stash the money in seperate places, maybe one of them leaked and had to be disposed of at Tena Bar. Spend a little bit at first (far from home) and when nobody notices, spend the rest carefully, slowly and in small amounts far apart.

The hardest part would be keeping the secret.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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377, as always is the calm voice of reason.

Probably the only such one in this forum

Well, my teenage kids would never agree with that assessment, but I like to. Thanks Orange!

I will never threaten to leave. One day it might just be down to just me, Jo and Quade. Jo and I could go back and forth forever, as you may have noticed.

377

No, I'll still be here and I'd bet Orange1 will stick for a while too. It gets a little weird every so often, but, like a train wreck, I just can't not look.

Edit to add: I don't see Georger's Russian spy theory any more far-fetched than any other that has been proposed.

And I'm not 100% sure that if Cooper died (no-pull or of exposure after landing) that his body wasn't found. How tempting would it have been to keep the money?? Stash the money in seperate places, maybe one of them leaked and had to be disposed of at Tena Bar. Spend a little bit at first (far from home) and when nobody notices, spend the rest carefully, slowly and in small amounts far apart.

The hardest part would be keeping the secret.

Cases:
- He died, the money was found.
- He died, money not found.

- He lived, with money.
- He lived, lost money on exit. He lands and goes
home.
- He lived, lost money, but others found it.

Anyone who had the money takes it over the border and exchanges it in smaller doses for Canadian money. Put in a safety deposit box. Retrieve later.

Any checking of money is done manually.
This is 1971, not 2008 with computers.