DB Cooper

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Plug the serial number of the attached bill, 1963A series into
http://www.check-six.com/lib/DBCooperLoot.htm

The first J and last A should be capitalized. i.e.
J38784665A 1963A

Snow,

Outstanding! Print it on appropriate paper and eBay it. I was thinking of making a t shirt print from it, but it would be too obscure.

Your next assignment, should you choose to accept it, is a screen shot of a McChord AFB SAGE scope showing the NWA 727 echo and data block, and a hint of a Cooper echo behind it. By my rough calcs, if he deployed off the stairs, a la Air America, his primary return echo might have been visible as he would have been immediately pulled out of the data block blackout zone by canopy drag but probably still above the Doppler speed filter cutoff if his canopy was squidding.

Have you ever considered a life of crime?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jim Morrison 1963 mug shot.

Hey do you think Cooper liked Jazz? I'm thinking of the Daddy-O sunglasses.

I would like it if he had The Doors cranked full volume so you could hear it over the engines....on a little MP3 player he left on seat 18c before he jumped. Can it be that way in the movie?

Well, we'd have to substitute a portable cassette or 8 track player, but I'll write it into the script. "Riders on the Storm" or ?

That number 3 Rod Serling shot looks a lot like James Garner, but it's just Rod with a few years and pounds added. Does anyone remember the Twilight zone episode with the Gremlin out on the airliner wing messing with what had to be a radial engine?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

here's another modern day one. it was color but I b/w 'ed it.

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Have you ever considered a life of crime?

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I always thought that's what jail's for, so you reconsider?

I did leave myself one out (although you'll notice the bill is just blurry enough to not be an issue with the SS troopers)

It's a series 1969. If you look at where the series numbers are, they're too blurry to read, but you can tell there's nothing there for the A in 1963A.

I could have got it a little better, but hey, it was just a 5 minute job. Note the serial numbers are a little misaligned, and the green ink on the 5 is light because I got it from another bill.

(edit) I always thought the best scam would have been to plant decomposed counterfeit twenties on Tena Bar.

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Here is one more face for Georger's project.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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Jim Morrison 1963 mug shot.

Hey do you think Cooper liked Jazz? I'm thinking of the Daddy-O sunglasses.

I would like it if he had The Doors cranked full volume so you could hear it over the engines....on a little MP3 player he left on seat 18c before he jumped. Can it be that way in the movie?

Well, we'd have to substitute a portable cassette or 8 track player, but I'll write it into the script. "Riders on the Storm" or ?

That number 3 Rod Serling shot looks a lot like James Garner, but it's just Rod with a few years and pounds added. Does anyone remember the Twilight zone episode with the Gremlin out on the airliner wing messing with what had to be a radial engine?

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Remember? We don't need memories any more. We can drink nonstop..kill all the brain cells.

Here's the gremlin episode. Bill Shatner!
advance the timeline up to like 5:37 and Bill starts looking out the window...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yJl2mUN2U

hey even Bill looks like he could be a good snap!
I'll get that

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Have you ever considered a life of crime?

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I always thought that's what jail's for, so you reconsider?

I did leave myself one out (although you'll notice the bill is just blurry enough to not be an issue with the SS troopers)

It's a series 1969. If you look at where the series numbers are, they're too blurry to read, but you can tell there's nothing there for the A in 1963A.

I could have got it a little better, but hey, it was just a 5 minute job. Note the serial numbers are a little misaligned, and the green ink on the 5 is light because I got it from another bill.

Still, a hell of a five minute forgery.

Ckret has never met a smart bank robber. Most of the criminal defendants I represented weren't the sharpest folks, BUT... Ckret and I only interacted with the failures who got caught. What about Cooper and a few others who do big crimes and just never get caught?

Keep your day job. An honest living is the right way to go. If times get tough, however, I think you might have a successful career on the dark side.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Here's 3 of Rod Serling.
I loved Twilight Zone. Key in the formative years...

(edit) Even though Rod seems to fit the classic "myth" look of Cooper, I think a facial structure analysis will show he's off.

I would think so -

Georger

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Oh, and for 377
Plug the serial number of the attached bill, 1963A series into
http://www.check-six.com/lib/DBCooperLoot.htm

The first J and last A should be capitalized. i.e.
J38784665A 1963A

Snow,

Outstanding! Print it on appropriate paper and eBay it. I was thinking of making a t shirt print from it, but it would be too obscure.

Your next assignment, should you choose to accept it, is a screen shot of a McChord AFB SAGE scope showing the NWA 727 echo and data block, and a hint of a Cooper echo behind it. By my rough calcs, if he deployed off the stairs, a la Air America, his primary return echo might have been visible as he would have been immediately pulled out of the data block blackout zone by canopy drag but probably still above the Doppler speed filter cutoff if his canopy was squidding.

Have you ever considered a life of crime?

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and, the whole radar data set
for the night! God what I would do to have that!

Georger

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here's another modern day one. it was color but I b/w 'ed it.

got it - face#24- nice face - interesting nose
vs Cooper's.

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Have you ever considered a life of crime?

377

I always thought that's what jail's for, so you reconsider?

I did leave myself one out (although you'll notice the bill is just blurry enough to not be an issue with the SS troopers)

It's a series 1969. If you look at where the series numbers are, they're too blurry to read, but you can tell there's nothing there for the A in 1963A.

I could have got it a little better, but hey, it was just a 5 minute job. Note the serial numbers are a little misaligned, and the green ink on the 5 is light because I got it from another bill.

(edit) I always thought the best scam would have been to plant decomposed counterfeit twenties on Tena Bar.

Piltdown not allowed.

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Here is one more face for Georger's project.

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have it but gentlemen, ladies, lets keep
this within reason - I seriously doubt he was available
on 11-24-71 ?

The people at this large busy corporation are doing
this as a favour. Let's not strech our welcome. We
might want/need more than one shot at this -

[snowmman 3]

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here's another modern day one. it was color but I b/w 'ed it.

got it - face#24- nice face - interesting nose
vs Cooper's.

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yeah I got that picture for a funny reason. He's a lawyer. (be great if we could hang it on a lawyer).

But the reason I got that guy's photo is that he was son of another guy I was looking at. There was a father to son transmission of facial structure. I thought that was interesting.

If Cooper had a son, his son might be a match for the sketch.

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Hmmm, we really do need a second money find. Sluggo, where should it be? I know you are busy. We'll start aging the bills and await instructions.

That Twilight Zone gremlin episode shows a 2 engine Convair in flight, but the out the window shots are a four engined plane: DC 6, DC 7, studio prop?

Georger, I'll withdraw Buzz Murdoch from the picture pool. You and I would both die for the primary radar data tapes. They are routinely saved after any aircraft accident. Didn't anyone think about saving them for the Norjack case?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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(edit) I always thought the best scam would have been to plant decomposed counterfeit twenties on Tena Bar.

Hmmm, we really do need a second money find. Sluggo, where should it be? I know you are busy. We'll start aging the bills and await instructions.

ahem. Ah yes, the "decomposition" tests Tom is doing for us.

See the dumb guys decompose their planted counterfeit bills under the kitchen sink.

The smart guys get a paleontologist and subcontract the job.

Always make sure your weapons are as good as the other guy's...They got SEM, we got SEM.

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By the way - I do know for a fact that Duane had access to - what was in those designs and schematics.

Well Jo, maybe you can square that with the following that you said but I can't. (the quote is verbatim, nothing left out of that paragraph, but I have bolded a phrase),

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Duane had access to Boeing Schematics - not aware if the 727 was in this - the access was available to him in the 40's and the 727 was not even on the drawing board. He may have had access between 1958 and 1960 - but I am uncertain of this. I do not know if the brother was working in the same capacity nor what his affiliation with Boeing was.

The reason I bolded the phrase is obvious. I can't really see how access to other planes' "schematics" would have helped Duane know about the airstairs...? That was why you claimed his knowledge was so important, after all.

No doubt you will accuse me of over-analyzing again. That seems to happen every time I expose a contradiction. Don't worry, I am not interested in the tedium of doing this on a post-by-post basis. I find research on 727s far more rewarding!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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You may be referencing when the 727 first rolled out - do you know how many yrs were put into the design and the idea and how many "what I call prototypes" were developed on paper in the previous yrs?

Origins of the 727 idea are well documented. June 1959 is the earliest date for "serious development"
Initial design studies in 1956.

you can google
"boeing 727" 1956

The December 1960 issue of Flight which confirms the summer 1956 date and talks about some of the design issues/changes comparing it to another plane.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1960/1960%20-%203096.html

I snipped the interesting table and attached.

The whole article is 3 pages and interesting because it introduced the 727 in 1960 and has a technical detail.

It starts here, and you can click thru the pages (or save them or print them)
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1960/1960%20-%203094.html

(edit) The cover of that 1960 Flight attached just cause we can.

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The conspiracy got me again. I found a site that summarized Snow's, but... in an hour, the info is gone...anyway they also mentioned initial design began in 1956, for a while looked as it might not happen because of financial problems at Boeing; they then sold enough 707s to make it look feasible again and designs began in earnest in 1959. (SNow, I haven't read your full article - yet.)

Now, someone help me out here, because I do not know what to look for in aeroplane plans and I can't see much in these ones anyway. At this site,
http://rbogash.com/727history.html, take a look at the 3rd & 4th pics down, under the heading "Centerline Drawing for E1 - 727 Prototype Airplane. Part of "Top" Drawing Set released 14 Feb 1961". I don't know how to enlarge the pic on my screen - are the airstairs marked on these plans?
I'd love to know how wide the audience was that these diagrams were "released" to in 1961.
For you history buffs, also some pics of the first plane being put together and its roll-out from the Boeing plant, tests, first flight etc.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Hmmm, we really do need a second money find. Sluggo, where should it be? I know you are busy. We'll start aging the bills and await instructions.

Well….. Hmmmm….. Maybe in the backyard of the residence at 3525 State Highway 211; Woodburn, Oregon 97071.

Then everybody could speculate if Himmelsbach was “in on the deal” or if Cooper was taunting him, or if Mayfield was trying to frame Himmelsbach, or maybe even if Cooper landed near Woodburn (if it works for Tena Bar… It works for Woodburn…. you can’t have it both ways).

Sluggo_Monster (Laughing my ass off while holed up in a top secret Guv’ment Motel in Weatherford, OK (along historic Route 66 (for all you Marty Milner fans).

BTW: I’m taking bets that the next four new names associated with NORJACK are:
Andvik, Street, Donahoe and Truitt. All GSA “Bean Counters on a secret mission from Missoula, MN to Seattle, WA.

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(along historic Route 66 (for all you Marty Milner fans).

Gimme a minute to knock the dust off the 'Vette....and RE-hide that damn reserve full o' $ in the trunk!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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All,

After I posted my funny, I though; “I wonder how close the plane came to Woodburn." The green line is from a plot I did based on reported locations in the transcripts (may not be the actual path). Highway 211 is Newberg Highway, Mt Hood Ave and Mollala Road. I think Agent H actually lives WEST of the Interstate (not sure).

Spooky Huh?

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Gimme a minute to knock the dust off the 'Vette....and RE-hide that damn reserve full o' $ in the trunk!

So….. that’s how they could travel in a ‘vette, date beautiful girls, and wear fancy cloths on Cook, Dishwasher, and delivery-boy wages!

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Gimme a minute to knock the dust off the 'Vette....and RE-hide that damn reserve full o' $ in the trunk!

So….. that’s how they could travel in a ‘vette, date beautiful girls, and wear fancy cloths on Cook, Dishwasher, and delivery-boy wages!

Is it just me, after all those composite pics...the guy ridin' shotgun is lookin' kinda familiar!?

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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I will pull the letter (long one written to me by the brother). He made statements in that letter that are confusing and could be interperted different ways - the yrs.

He talks about Duane living with Ma Weber and being run out by him - and mentions the floozies Duane brought home (by all correlations Dad was deceased at that time). If the information I have is correct - Duane would have been in prison when she died (but the prison record is very confusing -more confusing than the letter sent to me by the brother). Duane was also there in the 40's after he left the Army. So you can see that the windows of opportunity is listed twice - but it is unclear which time span the brother is noting.

I suppose I need to put that prison record on the forum so that someone who has more knowledge of these things can interpert what all the dates mean. He could have been out on a release program and at his mothers and not fully released until a later date. The Interment papers he had - one showed sensored (his dad's) so he was definitely in prison at that time. Mom's doesn't have that stamped on it. Since the letter states he was living with Ma Weber that would make him there between 1957 to mid 1960. I would think any exposure from 1943 to 1950 may not apply. The brother would have to be talking about 1957- 1960.

I do not know if I was looking at the letter when I made that post - but, as I said before - I never expected that every word I say would be analyzed. I do truely not know the dates of employment of the brother with Boeing. He may well have retired from Boeing for all I know. I will try to pull the letter.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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BTW: I’m taking bets that the next four new names associated with NORJACK are:
Andvik, Street, Donahoe and Truitt. All GSA “Bean Counters on a secret mission from Missoula, MN to Seattle, WA.