howardwhite 6 #1 October 30, 2007 Ever tried to explain a belly-mount reserve deployment to someone who's never been trained for one? Maybe this will help. Or maybe not. (It was done on purpose for an article on reserve deployments and taken by a well-known photographer. Who and when and even where?) HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #2 October 30, 2007 I am SO glad I never had to do what is in that photo! The sight of that undiapered round just about to get to line stretch is pretty scary! (27 belly wart jumps and 0 malfunctions)-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSBIRD 1 #3 October 30, 2007 Ugh...I had 3 of those before 100 jumps. The canopy opens very fast and then you fall to the bottom of the lines...LOL. BASE359"Now I've settled down, in a quiet little town, and forgot about everything" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,446 #4 October 30, 2007 Hi howard, I don't know anything about when, where or who but it sure looks like a no-pilot chute deployment. It is not stretched out. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 1 #5 October 30, 2007 Bob Bouqour? (not sure of the spelling)Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #6 October 30, 2007 I have a rig with chest three ring harness rings. We would deploy the chest mount on three ring risers for the intentional cutaway. We'd exit facing the tail of the 182 and throw out the PC. It was fun watching the canopy open in front of you. Of course not at terminal.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 October 30, 2007 I had 3 belly wart reserve round rides 2 were under streamers on my Papillion...plus you have to wrap your arms thru the lines to make sure you were at least in a vertical PLF postion.. good thing I was young and in very good shape ... theopenings were a tad brisk. My other two round reserve rides were from my Green Star TrackII..... those were not bad at all.. in comparison.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #8 October 30, 2007 The next frame in that sequence would show his heels hitting the back of his helmet. When they moved the chest rings up higher to prevent that then we got fat lips when the main opened. This is a classic case of when the "good ole days" weren't really . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #9 October 30, 2007 Quote I don't know anything about when, where or who but it sure looks like a no-pilot chute deployment. It is clearly time to begin issuing dropzone.com OFRs (Old Fart Ratings). For the purpose of this exercise, after viewing the attached, you get: -One rating point if you recognize/have seen it on a reserve; -Two if you have jumped a reserve so labeled; -Five if you have trained/put out students with such reserves, or packed them. (Points are not cumulative; if you're eligible for 5, it's assumed you have the skills associated with the 1 and 2-point levels.) I am now at OFR point level 5.HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,550 #10 October 30, 2007 Howzabout if I was cruel enough to have packed such for students? I was trained on cutaways. I moved to Mass (where unpilot-chuted reserves were the norm) after a few years. As a staff member, one of the rather dubious "perks" was the opportunity to use student freefall gear if I wasn't packed . So there I am on the way to altitude, and one of the guys in the plane with me asks -- "So, Wendy -- ever jumped a throwout reserve before?" Oops. But I'd witnessed enough classes to remember the drill. But I sure was glad he mentioned it. Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #11 October 30, 2007 Qualifications modified for you.You probably packed this very rig. (Picture is from the Mass. SPC scrapbook and you will perhaps remember what Turners Falls looked like from the air.Or if you don't, see attached. That's the Connecticut River in the background. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drjump 0 #12 October 30, 2007 Wendy had a much better arch than that S/L student! I've taught many a student the hand deploy reserve method that I learned from Dave Eisnor (D-355) in 1968 at Taunton, Mass. My two chest reserve rides were with 26' Navy conicals with ma-1 pilot chutes. Subterminal openings after cut-a-ways. Soft and easy opening shocks. I glad that I never had the chance to expierence a terminal chest reserve opening! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #13 October 30, 2007 Howard, The guy in your first picture had picture perfect form (except for maybe not covering his capewells). But then again, noone I knew in the early 70's was trained to do that. I went over on my side, after cutting away two different mallies, with my shot and a halfs. And no, I didn't cover the capewells either time. My 24 ft. belly reserve openned fine. Being young and dumb, and really tough was a prerequisite for skydiving back in the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #14 October 30, 2007 Quote Quote I don't know anything about when, where or who but it sure looks like a no-pilot chute deployment. It is clearly time to begin issuing dropzone.com OFRs (Old Fart Ratings). For the purpose of this exercise, after viewing the attached, you get: -One rating point if you recognize/have seen it on a reserve; -Two if you have jumped a reserve so labeled; -Five if you have trained/put out students with such reserves, or packed them. (Points are not cumulative; if you're eligible for 5, it's assumed you have the skills associated with the 1 and 2-point levels.) I am now at OFR point level 5.HW I am level 5 as well. We used the T-10 system at Z-Hills with no pilot chute reserves. Probably a good thing since most of the static line rigs there had 2 shot capewells. I packed them as well... ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #15 October 30, 2007 I made my first free fall in 1956 with a 24'twill chest with a ma-1 pilot chute.I have had 66 reserve rides,36 cutaways and 30 hand deployed all with pilot chutes.I would never jump any parachute without a pilot chute. I was almost kicked out of PCA in 1959 because I was using cutaways instead of hand deploy methods but they needed the dues from our 30 member club more! How things have changed........Pop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phildthedildo 0 #16 October 30, 2007 Ken Rounds at Lancaster california DZ .taken by Chip Maury Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phildthedildo 0 #17 October 30, 2007 note how the canopy is already starting to take air. also notice that the skirt is also becoming uneven ,(at left about 2 feet up from rest of skiert)this is a partial malfunction in the making ,and the best example of one of the reasons diapers were invented. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BCA 1 #18 October 30, 2007 I am definately a OFR point level 5. Many times over. BCA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,446 #19 October 30, 2007 OK, howard. Sign me up as OFR #2; as I have completed all tasks, many times. JerryBaumchen Ah ratings, it's what it's all about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #20 October 30, 2007 Being young and dumb, and really tough was a prerequisite for skydiving back in the day. Quote 24 flat at terminal here...after a bent top pin on exit. MA-1 on it, though I was trained both ways since the 'club' gear carried the placard. I swear my heels hit the back of my Bell helmet...OUCHIE! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,446 #21 October 30, 2007 Hi phil, The photo is not the one of Ken Rounds over Lancaster, which BTW was taken by Ralph White. In the photo of Ken (posted some time ago by MjoSparky) he is laying very flat & stable when he flushes everything. The photo that Sparky posted was actually one of a sequence of three; the first being Ken flat & stable and reaching for the reserve ripcord, the second being the mess coming out, and the third shows him with a grimace on his face just as he begins to experience opening shock. The three photos appeared in SKYDIVER magazine sometime in the summer of '64. JerryBaumchen OFR #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSBIRD 1 #22 October 30, 2007 OFR5 BASE359 "Now I've settled down, in a quiet little town, and forgot about everything" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
docjohn 0 #23 October 30, 2007 Darn. I only get one point. 200 belly wart jumps, one cutaway but it had a pilot chute. 24' with 4 line release. But I did see such a reserve once (under the rigging table, no pilot chute). There's my one point. So did I still get my number? Doc http://www.manifestmaster.com/video Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #24 October 30, 2007 Quote 24 flat at terminal here...after a bent top pin on exit. MA-1 on it, though I was trained both ways since the 'club' gear carried the placard. I swear my heels hit the back of my Bell helmet...OUCHIE! ............................................................. I always wondered what a terminal opening on a belly reserve would be like? Openning a low mounted reserve would have been particularly brutal. I'm glad I never experienced that. My back is already pretty crooked! Bending a stiffener or top pin was easy to do when exiting a little doored beech.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #25 October 30, 2007 Oh, that picture just looks like its about to hurt! I'm glad those days were "before my time" and I've only had the pleasure of listening to the stories of jumping stuff like that from a bunch of ol' grey hairs around here... To steal a phrase, seems like after an opening like that you'd have to check to see if you were safely under your reserve or if you had just hit the ground... probably would feel about the same... Anyway... I wonder if they got that picture on the first take? Can you imagine the camera man trying to get that jumper to go do it again after finding out the first try didn't come out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
