Snowflake 0 #26 May 7, 2002 Phree I will say this after some long thought, just imagine the situation I was in when I took that downwinder. now put a jumper who is not confident in their landings and who gets nervous doing fast landings in that situation. I don't think the result would be good. It's actually been making me rethink my Cobalt post although I'll still be getting oneJG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #27 May 7, 2002 QuoteI think canopy school SHOULD become mandentory for students. Not enough focus is placed on landing canopies in AFF..I think it would be a GREAT addition to the course anyways.That's what is already incorporated into the ISP. We stress CC a lot and I always include it on debriefs. Even students on Cat F-H doing solos could get some feedback from instructors who have watched their canopy descent, landing pattern, and touchdown. Also, students should persue more education in CC as they would with FF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #28 May 8, 2002 I still think a couple of hop-n-pops from altitude should be in AFF.. Flairing all the way down.. Flat turning.. Rear risering.. Not nearly enough importance is placed on these things. ESPECIALLY low speed flight characteristics.Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #29 May 8, 2002 JessicaThe bottom line is someone made some sort of mistake. That wing loading would not be considered extream by anyone with any common sense. So you should be fine with the 150 but if you doubt, make a few jumps under very controlled circumstances and go from there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #30 May 8, 2002 I think if you doubt yourself under a canopy ESPECIALLY before you jump it you aren't ready to jump it. Wait a while and think about it again.. If in another 50 jumps you feel more confident under canopy then consider it then. I NEVER get under a canopy if I doubt my ability under it. When in doubt go big Jessica.Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #31 May 8, 2002 1:1 is a very conservative wing loading and you will enjoy the hornet it is a very nice canopy. the girl that hurt herself with a .9:1 wing loading was also turning to avoid a fence that she was about to land in. why jump when you can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billo 0 #32 May 9, 2002 hi jess,yeah i remember this incident report catching my eye too, and it would have made me uneasy if i had seen it when i first was considering equipment off of student status. now that i see it, i think wtf, was this really the major contributor to the accident?first off i don't know a thing about the hornet, what it's made up of or how it flies or even how many cells it has. my big advice would be to DEMO canopies. and you don't need to get one. get acouple hornets for a month - one that would put you at 0.8 or something, a loading you would feel very comfortable at. if a weekend at 0.8 goes well, give the 1.0 a couple jumps. decide whether or not you'd be comfortable jumping either canopy in any situation (bad spot, low, under stress, etc)just my 2 cents...good luck!--- wearing freefly pants is not a crime ---billo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #33 May 9, 2002 Only problem is PISA does not offer a demo program. I've watched only 7 of her landings but based on the improvement from the first one to the last one, with only minor canopy coaching I think that she would be ready for a 150 ZP by mid-summer. Its just a matter of what ZP... Hornet, Sabre2, Spectre.... If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #34 May 9, 2002 I remember reading about the incident, and I remember thinking to myself how they MUST'VE got the analysis wrong. I just don't accept that this person got hurt because of the wingloading... Yeah, sure - under a 280 square foot Raven 4 she probably woulda had minor injuries... but that's not the point. This incident was caused by the pilot doing something really stupid. Ultimately every time we skydive we accept the risk that we can make mistakes and pay for it. This, I think is what caused this incident.I've never seen you jump, and I've never flown a hornet. I do understand it's a pretty good canopy for low time jumpers. In understand it's comparable to the Safire and the Sabre2 I also know you're looking at a 1.0 wing loading. I've also heard from people that I respet that you're competent in your landings.The idea that this has an unnaceptiably high risk for you just seems strange.... 1.0 is a good wingloading. My first rig was at 1.1, but I'm a lot heavier, and these things aren't linear. Since you're lighter, 1.0 feels about the same as me being at 1.1... This seems like a GOOD choice for you.It doesn't sound aggresive. It does sound like a canopy that will teach you a lot. It sounds like a canopyt that, when you screw up, will leave you with sprains... just like mine did. I don't pushing you this way because I know you're the type of person that asks lots of questions. I know you'll never stop learning. I know you'll practice all these things that we like to talk about - like flat turns, riser flares, etc. I know you'll set up your approaches at high altitudes... I know you'll be aware of canopy traffic. I know you'll be responsible.My opinion? Buy the canopy. Never stop asking questions, be safe, and have fun._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
