mjosparky 4 #1 June 18, 2006 After Barbara Duke’s memorial dive at Perris today, Skip did a couple of low passes with his DC-3, 6MA. I was standing on the patio of the Bomb Shelter drinking a cold one with Al Frisby and thought to myself, I sure miss jumping out of DC-3’s and old D-18’s. They just seem to remind me of when skydiving was funMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #2 June 18, 2006 I sure miss jumping out of DC-3’s and old D-18’s. *** Had the same thought last weekend at an airshow... Oh..you forgot one....the L-10E ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #3 June 18, 2006 QuoteAfter Barbara Duke’s memorial dive at Perris today, Skip did a couple of low passes with his DC-3, 6MA. I was standing on the patio of the Bomb Shelter drinking a cold one with Al Frisby and thought to myself, I sure miss jumping out of DC-3’s and old D-18’s. They just seem to remind me of when skydiving was fun I've never jumped a D-18, but yeah, definitely gotta love the DC-3!!!!Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #4 June 19, 2006 DC-3s remind me of the smell of hot oil in the morning and cabins tall enough for me to stand on my hind legs, like a gentleman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #5 June 19, 2006 QuoteI sure miss jumping out of DC-3’s and old D-18’s. *** Had the same thought last weekend at an airshow... Oh..you forgot one....the L-10E We had an L-10E (and an L-18 Loadstar) at Z-Hills between 73 and 77 or so. I was on Jim Hooper's Ten High speed star team and we did nearly all our practice jumps from the L-10E. The story of that plane was that it was the sister ship to Amelia Earhart's plane as Lockheed built their planes two at a time back then. I have since heard this claim of other L-10Es, so who knows.... Then we got the C47 and the large door was a real spoiler. We actually did one jump with both doors off, but the pilot said the aircraft handled too "squirrelly" to fly it that way again. But we could get 8 jumpers across with both doors off! Even so the C47's forward door was larger than the DC-3's door. I liked the C47 quite a bit, but the real treat was to go over to Deland and jump thier DC-3 (Mister Douglas) with it's jump seats and 2 stage super charged engines, 8 track 8 speaker stereo system, and the insulation still on the walls to make it the quietest DC-3 (or any piston twin I jumped) I ever jumped from. ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #6 June 19, 2006 Jerry Bird's All Stars came to our jump meet in Montana during the early 70's to jump Missoula's DC-3's. I was a newbie to the sport back then. B. J. Worth had like 200 jumps back then, and was one of the organizers of that meet. Actually they were smoke jumper aircraft. DC-3's were considered top of the line jump ships back then. If I remember right, they did some world record attempts that same weekend. And yes, it was out of a good old DC-3. The world's record then was like a 30 way round. My, how things have changed....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROGRESSIVE 0 #7 June 20, 2006 DC3's certainly have a following. It was a real treat to jump out of Mr. Douglas, Agent Orange (except for the smell), Southern Cross, etc. My favorite was jumping out at Coolidge in 83? from the DC4, that apparently was previously owned by John Travolta. My buddys and I came up from Marana, AZ after the Collegiates Comp, and I had the bright idea of jumping without a helmet in December...burrrr. I thought I'd be cooool! Jumping out of Mr Coors D18, in Minnesota was also a treat. Small door though. Those were the days! Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #8 June 20, 2006 QuoteDC3's certainly have a following. It was a real treat to jump out of Mr. Douglas, Agent Orange (except for the smell), Southern Cross, etc. My favorite was jumping out at Coolidge in 83? from the DC4, that apparently was previously owned by John Travolta. My buddys and I came up from Marana, AZ after the Collegiates Comp, and I had the bright idea of jumping without a helmet in December...burrrr. I thought I'd be cooool! Jumping out of Mr Coors D18, in Minnesota was also a treat. Small door though. Those were the days! Pete I have about 1000 + jumps ot of 3's, still miss em still love em. I remember spotting a night load at Perris in the early 80's with only moonlight as the guide, put everyone on target (30 somthing in all), man that was a blast. Who rembers spotting and using the "buttons" red, yellow and green for direction? Back then when you were over the spot you would alternate the buttons (sending flashing lights to the pilots) to tell them to cut the power. Boy have things changed! Self reliance has been repaced with someone else to blame for any error in judgement, not good in the long run. There is somthing fundimental about spotting for youself and your load that has all but dissapered, sad really. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itllclear 1 #9 June 20, 2006 QuoteThere is somthing fundimental about spotting for youself and your load that has all but dissapered, sad really. These days, not only do you not have to know how to spot, but you don't have to know how to pack, or ever find your reserve handle!!! Back in the old days, once you let go of the plane you wre DEAD unless YOU did something about it!! It was an attitude of self reliance. It seems that attitude is disappearing throughout our society today. Blame someone else for your problem. Sad. BSBD Harry"Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #10 June 20, 2006 If it didn't work, you found a way to make it work. If you didn't understand it, well, you learned to understand it. People are used now to complex black boxes whose innards they don't have to understand because they're so reliable. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #11 June 20, 2006 Hi Harry and Mick!!!, That's a big 10-4 on the attitude trip these daze!!!! Trash the gps, aad and all the other black boxes and make these newbies jump by the seat of their pants and see if they last, hahahahahhah!!!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #12 June 20, 2006 Quote People are used now to complex black boxes whose innards they don't have to understand because they're so reliable. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Wendy W. I kind of like the sentiment expressed in this sweatshirt from MAKE Magazine. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
godfrog 2 #13 June 20, 2006 and who can forget the oil spots on their jump suits from them old radial enginesExperience is a difficult teacher, she gives you the test first and the lesson afterward Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hottamaly 1 #14 June 20, 2006 It was good to see you Saturday, Mike. I was at the Hemet/Ryan air show last weekend and saw Skips other 3 TW (tango whiskey). Boy, she sure needed some TLC. He sure did a nice fly by for Barb though. I thought, what a waste of a DC3, there was no one jumping out of it. Skydiving gave me a reason to live I'm not afraid of what I'll miss when I die...I'm afraid of what I'll miss as I live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 June 20, 2006 QuoteIt was good to see you Saturday, Mike. I was at the Hemet/Ryan air show last weekend and saw Skips other 3 TW (tango whiskey). Boy, she sure needed some TLC. He sure did a nice fly by for Barb though. I thought, what a waste of a DC3, there was no one jumping out of it. Ain't the the truth. I think the last time I jumped MA was for Bad Spots memorial. Thanks for the hug, I needed that.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itllclear 1 #16 June 21, 2006 Quoteand who can forget the oil spots on their jump suits from them old radial engines If it's not throwing oil, it's out of oil and the engine is about to seize!!! If the preflight requires an umbrella, there's an oil leak. If there's no oil dripping, it's out of oil. The proudest time in my flight log is my SIC in 6MA. Blue Skies! Harry"Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #17 June 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteand who can forget the oil spots on their jump suits from them old radial engines If it's not throwing oil, it's out of oil and the engine is about to seize!!! If the preflight requires an umbrella, there's an oil leak. If there's no oil dripping, it's out of oil. The proudest time in my flight log is my SIC in 6MA. Blue Skies! Harry Remember 817? Iv'e got some photos (already posted here a couple of years ago) of her when she was cut in two by that dumb fuck student pilot, that was a sad day. Remember when 57 ugly threw a blade,resulting in the port engine shaking itself of the nacele and dragging in the dirt? The resulting fire completly destroyed her. Jim ???'s (last name escapes me for the moment) video of that take off is still around somwhere. That was a sad end to Steve Feildings night load big way that evening. Ahh, those were the days!!!! I kept a piece of her for years in my trailer in the "ghetto", of course that started the whole PVSS (Perris Valley Skydiving Society) thing which is funnelly enough still in use today in the form of ID's at Perris. My PVSS # is still my perris ID number. Would have to look it up to see exactly what it is though, it's been a while. It did not seem like a big deal at the time when all of this went down but looking back it altered the face of Sth Ca skydiving for ever!! Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itllclear 1 #18 June 21, 2006 QuoteRemember 817? Iv'e got some photos (already posted here a couple of years ago) of her when she was cut in two by that dumb fuck student pilot, that was a sad day. Remember when 57 ugly threw a blade,resulting in the port engine shaking itself of the nacele and dragging in the dirt? The resulting fire completly destroyed her. Jim ???'s (last name escapes me for the moment) video of that take off is still around somwhere. That was a sad end to Steve Feildings night load big way that evening. Ahh, those were the days!!!! I kept a piece of her for years in my trailer in the "ghetto", of course that started the whole PVSS (Perris Valley Skydiving Society) thing which is funnelly enough still in use today in the form of ID's at Perris. My PVSS # is still my perris ID number. Would have to look it up to see exactly what it is though, it's been a while. It did not seem like a big deal at the time when all of this went down but looking back it altered the face of Sth Ca skydiving for ever!! I took the photo of the Cessna prop sticking out the other side of 817. Here's the FAA version: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001214X39986&key=1 Here's the FAA version of Jim Spencer's? video of the 57U event http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001214X36487&key=1 And yes, I dearly remember PVSS. I was the treasurer. We kept skydiving going until the Conatser's figured out a way to manage their risk. Blue Skies!"Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lekstrom10k 0 #19 June 26, 2006 Theoretically DC3a were the civilan version of the C47 . A B-18 {Beech 18] was the same to a C45 The model designations in letters up to maybe I or J .I believe an H model was a conversion to a tricycle gear .An E or F had the eye brow windows over the main front windshield etc etc. I had the privelege to jump Barrons West-Wind before it departed to the big airport in the sky. It really flew with one hell grin on the pilots face flying it. Hope this help with the designation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #20 June 26, 2006 QuoteTheoretically DC3a were the civilan version of the C47 . A B-18 {Beech 18] was the same to a C45 The model designations in letters up to maybe I or J .I believe an H model was a conversion to a tricycle gear .An E or F had the eye brow windows over the main front windshield etc etc. I had the privelege to jump Barrons West-Wind before it departed to the big airport in the sky. It really flew with one hell grin on the pilots face flying it. Hope this help with the designation. There were a shit load of D-18 versions made over the years. Scrool down about 1/3 of the page. http://www.airliners.net/search/indexsearch.main?distinct=aircraft_generic&firstl=B&lastl=C&enlarge=Beech%2018%20%28C-45%2FAT-11%2FJRB%2FSNB%29&listtype=version&nextpstart=0&nextpend= The West Wind was a turbo conversion but there was also the Volpar. The Volpar had Tri-cycle gear and some of them were turbo props. Then you had the Hamilton West Wind that was tri-cycle gear and turbo prop also.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,466 #21 June 26, 2006 Hi Sparky, The dz at Sheridan, OR had a TradeWinds. It was a tri-gear with a single vertical fin & rubber. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #22 June 26, 2006 QuoteHi Sparky, The dz at Sheridan, OR had a TradeWinds. It was a tri-gear with a single vertical fin & rubber. Jerry I think that is called a King Air?????My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,466 #23 June 26, 2006 No Siree Bobber, Mr. Sparky, That bird was a mod'd D-18; the only one like it I have ever heard of/seen. The last I knew of it, it was ferried to the LA-area to a new owner. You might just look for it now that you have time on your hands. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #24 June 27, 2006 There were a shit load of D-18 versions made over the years. Scrool down about 1/3 of the page. Quote I used to fly that exact Volpar Turboliner Tri-cycle gear in the photo you posted. I can't tell what exact N number it is but the CK at the end stands for Connie Kalitta. We had around 10 of them when I started flying there and I flew every one of them. I flew there almost 7 years and these were the first company planes I flew. They really flew nice. The conversion included extending the fusalage a few feet fore & aft of the wing spar, re-engining them with Garrett TPE331-1's, tricycle gear and limiting the rudder movement to 13 degrees either side of center so you didn't torque off that longer tail. They carried ice really well and got me through some days and nights of flying in shitty weather that I would like to forget. About four years ago I believe a DZ in Arkansas bought one from my company but I never heard anything about it from the Skydiving community. It would make a really good jump plane. Jack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #25 June 27, 2006 QuoteNo Siree Bobber, Mr. Sparky, That bird was a mod'd D-18; the only one like it I have ever heard of/seen. The last I knew of it, it was ferried to the LA-area to a new owner. You might just look for it now that you have time on your hands. Jerry SheidanWasn't that whats his names plane The DZO who got sent to jail due to jump related "injuries" at his DZ. We saw that POS at LP. Damn at the time I think due to the field elevation the poor bird had a tough time getting to 9500' agl For some reason lots of folks at the Boogie wouldn't manifest for it. The westwind (Trey at Molla) OTOH was a sweet plane. Ditto for the one at Eloy that was at LP. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
slug 1 #25 June 27, 2006 QuoteNo Siree Bobber, Mr. Sparky, That bird was a mod'd D-18; the only one like it I have ever heard of/seen. The last I knew of it, it was ferried to the LA-area to a new owner. You might just look for it now that you have time on your hands. Jerry SheidanWasn't that whats his names plane The DZO who got sent to jail due to jump related "injuries" at his DZ. We saw that POS at LP. Damn at the time I think due to the field elevation the poor bird had a tough time getting to 9500' agl For some reason lots of folks at the Boogie wouldn't manifest for it. The westwind (Trey at Molla) OTOH was a sweet plane. Ditto for the one at Eloy that was at LP. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
