Deuce 1 #1 July 19, 2002 I just saw in another post the opinion that you can accellerate opening of your canopy by pumping the risers. I have a Spectre loaded at about 1.26 and I absolutely love the long sniveley openings. I recently had a packer roll the nose, which I don't do, and the opening took almost a grand. Once it snatched me vertical, I saw that all the lines were straight, the cells were inflating, I was on heading, but it took and long time, and I enjoyed it. If I make an emergency bail at 2 grand does this mean the prudent thing to do is go on reserve? If I bail on my main, should I start pumping the risers to speed up the opening. I'm thinking that pumping the risers while the cells are inflating might initiate a spin if the pack job wasn't perfect. I had just never heard that riser pumping will speed up an opening, I have done it on sluggish end cells, but not to try to cut an 800 foot snivel to a 400 foot snivel. Does that work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #2 July 19, 2002 QuoteIf I make an emergency bail at 2 grand does this mean the prudent thing to do is go on reserve? this would certainly be your decision, if i were you i would seek the advice of a learned colleague, or a jumpmaster. packing teqniques definitely have an effect on opening speed, experiment with different methods according to the manufacturer's specifications and see which opening you like the most. i fly a Hornet 170 with a wing of 1.55-1 i pro-pack and do not roll the nose, it opens in 300'400' which is what i like, i flew 7 cell triathlons before going to this 9 cell Hornet, and they consistantly opened in 600'-800' regardless of how i packed the dang thang! that to me is unacceptable, for the very reason you brought up that i "quoted" you on in this post. me, personally, at 2K i bail, i'm going to my main, but thats me knowing my canopy. but the thing for you to do would be to talk to someone at your home drop zone that you know personally, and trust, that knows you, and your gear, and has seen you fly, that is, i believe your safest bet. good luck.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #3 July 19, 2002 QuoteI just saw in another post the opinion that you can accellerate opening of your canopy by pumping the risers. I have a Spectre loaded at about 1.26 and I absolutely love the long sniveley openings. It can be a bit touchier on higher-performance canopies, but on lightly-loaded ones pumping the risers works like a champ. Been doing it for years without even thinking about it. It works even on small canopies. The standard gospel on Cobalts is not to grab the risers but to steer with body shifting. One particular packjob last weekend I must have stuffed the nose farther or something, but I threw out about 3500 on my Cobalt 75, it came to a ball of shit, and sat there and sat there and sat there. After a while I was like I've either got to get this open or chop it. I reached up, pulled down the rear risers about half an inch and it was open almost instantly. It did dive off heading but nothing radical or anything. I've never been one to like really long snivels because its not an if in this sport, its a when that you're going to find yourself doing a reasonably low bailout. A canopy which is regularly packed for a 1500 foot opening is going to be a problem. 500 foot openings can be quite soft. At 2000 feet with an engine out you're faced with: 1. landing with the plane (egads we're skydivers - I hate landing with working engines!) 2. Going out on your reserve - hope it works because that was your last chance. 3. Or going out confidently on your main because you've practiced hop and pops, you've packed it for a reasonable opening (500 feet or so is plenty soft), and knowing that most of the opening distance on a h&p is horizontal not vertical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #4 July 19, 2002 Quote3. Or going out confidently on your main because you've practiced hop and pops, you've packed it for a reasonable opening (500 feet or so is plenty soft), and knowing that most of the opening distance on a h&p is horizontal not vertical. Newbie here...Can you explain this more thoroughly? Thanks- Ciels and Pinks- M ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #5 July 19, 2002 QuoteQuote3. Or going out confidently on your main because you've practiced hop and pops, you've packed it for a reasonable opening (500 feet or so is plenty soft), and knowing that most of the opening distance on a h&p is horizontal not vertical. Newbie here...Can you explain this more thoroughly? I assume you're talking about the part where I say the opening is more horizontal? Basically you've probably felt the experience of "the hill" by now - when you first leave the aircraft you're not belly-to-earth but more vertical. That's because the aircraft has around a 100mph forward speed (depending on the aircraft). It takes a bit of time for you to transition from going with the aircraft to falling strraight down to the earth. When you leave an aircraft for a hop and pop, you're still "on the hill" where most of your speed is horizontal. If you watch CRW jumpers going out on hop and pops, you'll see that we exit feet to earth (because that is "belly-flying" on the hill) and our canopies don't deploy above our heads at first but straight behind us (where the relative wind is.) As we lose the speed of the airplane we transition to normal freefall, and the canopy finishes opening more traditionally. But most of the opening occurs during this horizontal part of the skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #6 July 19, 2002 I almost always pack for myself, and I get a 7 to 8 hundred foot opening. Track from 4500 to 3000, throw, big and square, clear airspace, altimeter reads 2200. I routinely find myself thinking "Yeah! Plenty of time to cutaway if that had FUBARed" when I get a good canopy. I do a couple of hop & pops a month, from about 3200-3500. I'm going on main above 2000 feet. If I grab and pull down on the risers at snatch, will I be asking for trouble? I intend to try this tomorrow to see if it will speed up inflation. I'm talking about an "OH SHIT!" yank down on both rears, like avoiding a collision kind of thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #7 July 19, 2002 If I grab and pull down on the risers at snatch, will I be asking for trouble? I intend to try this tomorrow to see if it will speed up inflation. I'm talking about an "OH SHIT!" yank down on both rears, like avoiding a collision kind of thing. You're not asking for trouble. Especially on a canopy like a Spectre its not a big deal. Doing CRW I usally have my risers in my hand before its inflated already steering. I wouldn't do a HARD yank tho - canopies can stall on rear risers. Its more of a small pull or a pop as opposed to yanking em down to your shoulders or something. Just once you're sitting up and its sniveling, just reach up and tug a little (preferably evenly) on the risers. W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #8 July 19, 2002 Yep, the horizontal opening. I have gone out at 3.8, tracked up and counted to around 12 seconds and pulled only to find that I got a few hundred feet of freefall. I also noticed when I checked the spot that the plane was really hauling ass. Quite possibly I was falling "lateral" and never really got off the hill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #9 July 19, 2002 Cool. I'll give it a go. I have yet to pull low (two audibles, digitude, fear) but it will be nice to know I can make that canopy OPEN NOW DAMMIT! Thanks for the feedback. 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Michele 1 #4 July 19, 2002 Quote3. Or going out confidently on your main because you've practiced hop and pops, you've packed it for a reasonable opening (500 feet or so is plenty soft), and knowing that most of the opening distance on a h&p is horizontal not vertical. Newbie here...Can you explain this more thoroughly? Thanks- Ciels and Pinks- M ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #5 July 19, 2002 QuoteQuote3. Or going out confidently on your main because you've practiced hop and pops, you've packed it for a reasonable opening (500 feet or so is plenty soft), and knowing that most of the opening distance on a h&p is horizontal not vertical. Newbie here...Can you explain this more thoroughly? I assume you're talking about the part where I say the opening is more horizontal? Basically you've probably felt the experience of "the hill" by now - when you first leave the aircraft you're not belly-to-earth but more vertical. That's because the aircraft has around a 100mph forward speed (depending on the aircraft). It takes a bit of time for you to transition from going with the aircraft to falling strraight down to the earth. When you leave an aircraft for a hop and pop, you're still "on the hill" where most of your speed is horizontal. If you watch CRW jumpers going out on hop and pops, you'll see that we exit feet to earth (because that is "belly-flying" on the hill) and our canopies don't deploy above our heads at first but straight behind us (where the relative wind is.) As we lose the speed of the airplane we transition to normal freefall, and the canopy finishes opening more traditionally. But most of the opening occurs during this horizontal part of the skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #6 July 19, 2002 I almost always pack for myself, and I get a 7 to 8 hundred foot opening. Track from 4500 to 3000, throw, big and square, clear airspace, altimeter reads 2200. I routinely find myself thinking "Yeah! Plenty of time to cutaway if that had FUBARed" when I get a good canopy. I do a couple of hop & pops a month, from about 3200-3500. I'm going on main above 2000 feet. If I grab and pull down on the risers at snatch, will I be asking for trouble? I intend to try this tomorrow to see if it will speed up inflation. I'm talking about an "OH SHIT!" yank down on both rears, like avoiding a collision kind of thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #7 July 19, 2002 If I grab and pull down on the risers at snatch, will I be asking for trouble? I intend to try this tomorrow to see if it will speed up inflation. I'm talking about an "OH SHIT!" yank down on both rears, like avoiding a collision kind of thing. You're not asking for trouble. Especially on a canopy like a Spectre its not a big deal. Doing CRW I usally have my risers in my hand before its inflated already steering. I wouldn't do a HARD yank tho - canopies can stall on rear risers. Its more of a small pull or a pop as opposed to yanking em down to your shoulders or something. Just once you're sitting up and its sniveling, just reach up and tug a little (preferably evenly) on the risers. W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #6 July 19, 2002 I almost always pack for myself, and I get a 7 to 8 hundred foot opening. Track from 4500 to 3000, throw, big and square, clear airspace, altimeter reads 2200. I routinely find myself thinking "Yeah! Plenty of time to cutaway if that had FUBARed" when I get a good canopy. I do a couple of hop & pops a month, from about 3200-3500. I'm going on main above 2000 feet. If I grab and pull down on the risers at snatch, will I be asking for trouble? I intend to try this tomorrow to see if it will speed up inflation. I'm talking about an "OH SHIT!" yank down on both rears, like avoiding a collision kind of thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #7 July 19, 2002 If I grab and pull down on the risers at snatch, will I be asking for trouble? I intend to try this tomorrow to see if it will speed up inflation. I'm talking about an "OH SHIT!" yank down on both rears, like avoiding a collision kind of thing. You're not asking for trouble. Especially on a canopy like a Spectre its not a big deal. Doing CRW I usally have my risers in my hand before its inflated already steering. I wouldn't do a HARD yank tho - canopies can stall on rear risers. Its more of a small pull or a pop as opposed to yanking em down to your shoulders or something. Just once you're sitting up and its sniveling, just reach up and tug a little (preferably evenly) on the risers. W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #8 July 19, 2002 Yep, the horizontal opening. I have gone out at 3.8, tracked up and counted to around 12 seconds and pulled only to find that I got a few hundred feet of freefall. I also noticed when I checked the spot that the plane was really hauling ass. Quite possibly I was falling "lateral" and never really got off the hill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #9 July 19, 2002 Cool. I'll give it a go. I have yet to pull low (two audibles, digitude, fear) but it will be nice to know I can make that canopy OPEN NOW DAMMIT! Thanks for the feedback. JP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
