AggieDave 6 #26 October 30, 2002 Quote >Javelins can be tightened as hard as you can pull it and it will not hinder the arch....breathing maybe? I can pull mine tight enough the chest rings are only an inch apart, but i cant arch or even put both arms all the way up. On most articulated Javelins they use type 17 webing with no doubled over ends. Keeping it a little loose is ok. Sunpath says the proper tension onthe chest strap is when it forces the upper part of the MWL to be straight up and down and have the lower portion flexing. He was talking about the non-articulated student Javelins, since the person asking the question was a student. Try it with a student Javelin, I have, he's right.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #27 October 30, 2002 Quote Apparently, it is possible. I'm not sure if it is a matter of how loose the chest strap is - which is more along the lines of your question; rather, it is the type of harness you have and if it fits properly. See: http://www.makeithappen.com/spsj/fallout.html The only thing this shows is that it is possible while on the ground to intentionally wiggle your body in a way that results in the rig coming off. This is a LONG way from saying you can fall out of your rig. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #28 October 30, 2002 I've done it this way from a hanging harness. Granted I was trying to do it...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy 0 #29 October 30, 2002 Quote This is a LONG way from saying you can fall out of your rig. Not to flog a dead horse here, but the article states Quote The jumper on the right can slip out of that harness if she had a premature deployment. referring to sit flyer. And that Quote These jumpers could fall out backwards if they had a premature deployment in that position. This problem is NOT unique to XXXXXX. All harnesses made today have this problem. Its just another bit of info on the internet - although the picture does look compelling (to me at least). And I thought that the following was worthwhile considering... Quote With the main out of the pack tray and your leg and chest straps fastened as you have them for a jump, try to back out of your rig. You'll have to bend at the waist and pull the reserve up, over your head. And you might have to 'help' the leg straps move towards your knees. This little bit of help would be provided by a premature opening on a real jump. The question you want to answer is - can I fall out backwards?? The degree of difficulty is not important in this informal test. Make of it what you will. Maybe you are right... Its probably unlikely that you are going to fall out if you find out your rig doesn't pass the test... Just that there is a possibility that it can happen. Until I read this, I didn't think it was even possible to fall out a rig if the harness was done up. Cheers, NewGuy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 October 30, 2002 Quote I've done it this way from a hanging harness. Granted I was trying to do it... Get your hands on a student J and try it laying down in the packing area or something, you'll be surprised.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #31 October 30, 2002 Dave, I was responding to >http://www.makeithappen.com/spsj/fallout.html and how to fall out backwards from a rig.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #32 October 30, 2002 Oh, sorry dude.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jussi 0 #33 October 31, 2002 "Henry "Pullyourlinein"" Henri Pohjolainen.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #34 October 31, 2002 I actually saw someone wriggle himself out of his Talon 2 two weekends ago. all straps done up. He was as shocked (if not more) as we were. We didn't catch it the first time, so he put it back on and did it again. He had to slightly move the legstraps towards his knees, but I don't think it was more than a few inches. Pretty eye opening stuff. Although, in my opinion, seeing the effort he had to make, I don't think tightening the chest strap would do much good unless it was WAY tight, and that would probably hinder skydiving skills. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsoutar 0 #35 October 31, 2002 Important here is the distance between the shoulder straps. If they are too far apart then tightening the cheststrap is just compensating for an ill-fitting rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaymundo 0 #36 November 1, 2002 The only person I saw die from falling out,didnt have the chest strap fastened.It was under the lift web and flapping where she didnt detect it.The person with her on the jump was with full face helmet and she probably didnt see any alarm on his face(conjecture).Nylon jumpsuit,nylon legstraps...no friction....freefall W/o rig at 5000'.NEXT day I brought my javelin to a tarp shop and had my strap folded back and sewn.You wont see this coonass near a plane with unfastened cheststrap Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #37 November 4, 2002 Quote Boxman quite strongly suggested to make sure that enter the plane fully ready to skydive. In case of an emergency exit there will be not time to adjust the rig. that is one thing I have noticed that a lot of folks do sometimes ... and I agree ... does NOT seem like a good idea to leave leg straps loose and/or chest strap undone on the way up ...As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #38 November 11, 2002 I am not expert by any means, but I usually have my chest strap pretty damn tight if I am freeflying (95% of the time), but if I am doing a hopnpop or a belly jump (this is rare), I'll actually keep it pretty loose. I tend to really loosen it most of the time once I am under canopy.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
