skydiverek 63 #1 December 27, 2002 Check this out and take a look at the bridle and the deployment bag... http://www.aerialfocus.com/displayPhoto.asp?logo=wffc99photolg.gif&imageName=wffc99/horiz/WF99115-15.JPG&picNum=WF99115-15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #2 December 27, 2002 That's an "OH SHIT!!!!" if i have ever seen one.... HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog 0 #3 December 27, 2002 somebody was at the wrong place at the wrong time!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #4 December 27, 2002 It almost looks as if the camera was attached to the PC bridle. Unless the cameraman had some speed, I don't think he could have gotten out of the way in time. It doesn't take long to get to line stretch. It looks like the camera took the shot as he hit bridle stretch, so maybe he had it rigged for the camera to be activated by the PC bridle...... Neat shot. I would really like to hear the story behind it. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyboyblue 0 #5 December 27, 2002 I'm willing to bet the cameraman held onto the guys' PC while he himself deployed. lets just hope the cameraman had a fast opening and the guy below had a slow one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #6 December 27, 2002 It looks like the guy threw the PC, from how his right hand is positioned. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyboyblue 0 #7 December 27, 2002 good observation, maybe so. I still wouldn't want to be the cameraman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dex 0 #8 December 27, 2002 Maybe a hop and pop from a balloon? cool picture Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #9 December 27, 2002 The balloon idea is a good one but I don't think it is the case. The jumper wouldn't have fallen far enough to initiate deployment as far as you see it in the pic. First thought could be someone holding the PC while the jumper exits. I scratched this idea because it looks like there is a good amount of airspeed from the jumpers hair and clothing, which seems like it is flapping. Not sure, I would like to know the story behind it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #10 December 27, 2002 I found this photo there as well... http://www.aerialfocus.com/displayPhoto.asp?logo=wffc99photolg.gif&imageName=wffc99/horiz/WF99063-01.JPG&picNum=WF99063-01 Edit to add this photo which goes with the first one posted I believe.. http://www.aerialfocus.com/displayPhoto.asp?logo=wffc99photolg.gif&imageName=wffc99/horiz/WF99115-16.JPG&picNum=WF99115-16 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #11 December 27, 2002 Photo one is from a Canopy collision at about 900 feet over the runway at Quincy after I believe a Jet jump. The video is quite clear, someone flies into that guys canopy, he looks up, mutters some 4 letter words, chops, misses the reserve handle on the fist try then gets it and has a reserve at about 500 feet., lands and curses more with the camera running.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #12 December 27, 2002 QuotePhoto one is from a Canopy collision at about 900 feet over the runway at Quincy after I believe a Jet jump. The video is quite clear, someone flies into that guys canopy, he looks up, mutters some 4 letter words, chops, misses the reserve handle on the fist try then gets it and has a reserve at about 500 feet., lands and curses more with the camera running. Ya, I seen that on "You Gotta See This", a spinoff of "Real TV", I remember them holding the canopy up like that now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #13 December 27, 2002 I wrote an email asking detail of that jump t osee if a zoom lens or anything was used. I'll post the answer when I get it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #14 December 27, 2002 I agree with Hooks opinion. There's no way a cameraman could have taken that and lived...probably woulda destroyed the canopy going through it as well.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #15 December 27, 2002 QuoteThere's no way a cameraman could have taken that and lived...probably woulda destroyed the canopy going through it as well.... ? The cameraman would've been hit by the bag only... Hardly enough to kill IMO. Since everyone is guessing, I'll throw in my 0.02€ too: I think the cameraman was holding on to the pc handle one way or another. Looking at the second pic, I'd say the cameraman deployed for the other jumper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #16 December 27, 2002 Quote Quote There's no way a cameraman could have taken that and lived...probably woulda destroyed the canopy going through it as well.... ? The cameraman would've been hit by the bag only... Hardly enough to kill IMO. True..the bag would not... But flying through an open canopy could really ruin your day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 0 #17 December 27, 2002 The torn canopy photo is from the 1999 Quincy video by Steve "Zabo" Reynold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dterrick 0 #18 December 27, 2002 Hook, Is it possible this was an IAD jump (jumpmaster on the step of a C-182) with a camera and long lens in hand? 'Geek'ing the bridle (shortlining) would allow the stiff bridle AND the open container so close to the photographer. Photog would still be on board the plane, jumper would perform a rear facing stand exit and flatten out asap? NFW was this done in freefall or someone would have been in deep kak, at least here on a small DZ where no nasty deed goes unobserved. Or, could it be the beginning of a CReW jump? Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #19 December 27, 2002 It looks like the jumper is at terminal, his clothes are flapping pretty good and you can see the line on his right leg where his skin is being pushed back. But there is a large change in perspective between the two shots. In both shots, it looks like the camera is very close too the base of the PC. The camera-man didn't pull for the guy, or if he did, the cameraman continued on in free fall. Would a fish-eye lens, zoomed in a bit produce this type of shots? From the view, he looks to be between 4 and 5k ft. It also looks like the jumper's body position changed quite a bit between the container coming open and two or three stows coming off the bag. Awfully slow deployment. In the second shot, the bridle is curved back to the jumper's feet. It almost looks as if the camera-man "caught" the PC (I can't imagine how) the back slide and popped up to get these shots. Maybe the jumper handed off the PC to the camera-man who then used his wings to get the shots. Maybe it wasn't planned and the camera-man was trying to get clear and got beaned by the PC. Good puzzle. Hopefully we will get a good story to explain it. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #20 December 29, 2002 Considering it's Tom Sander's company, Aerial Focus, I doubt that it was a mistake. Somebody want to ask Tom?I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 December 29, 2002 Already sent an email and I'm awaiting the answer.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno 0 #22 December 29, 2002 Mr. Billy jump??? Cameraman, under canopy, hold the PC like a IAD?? Bruno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #23 December 29, 2002 ***Is it possible this was an IAD jump (jumpmaster on the step of a C-182)***I don't think so either... the plane, with foward speed, would not be over the jumper, and the jumper would not be belly to earth that soon after leaving the plane. Good mystery! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dterrick 0 #24 December 29, 2002 ...another thought on this (great mystery...) In photo #1, the left foot has a very shart shadow across the mid-sole? To me that means SOMETHING was very close, perhaps the wing of the plane? The bridle is pulled camera-right, much like s/l out of a RH door plane (182), though it's bow suggests forward speed. The shorts are billowed up the leg suggesting relative wind from the rear or below but not a huge amount of either. I agree on the altitude and it sure looks like a hop n pop to me. I can't tell about the skin or the hair, but someone jumping without a helmet MUST be a fairly advanced jumper (or busting some BSR's). Perhaps an extra long bridle was built and the cameraman jumped with the p/c in hand on a 1/2 second delay. The distance would be about right. In the second shot the cameraman is closer (perhaps in a stand?). The p/c would have been released THEN, explaining the "slow" deployment (no p/c drag if it's in the hand of the following jumper). in the 2-3 seconds it would take to deploy, the cameraman would be safely (?!?) accelerated below the jumper. Hell of a stunt, no matter what. I bet we DON'T hear how it was done if Mr. Ariel Freefall likes to keep his "trade secrets". I STILL feel it must have been done at a low exit speed (cessna) facing back to the wind with two very experienced people almost immediately after exit. The neat thing about this photo is the low timer / whuffo will have NO IDEA why we've put so much thought into what appears to simply be "a cool shot". Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #25 December 29, 2002 The pic was taked at WFFC 1999, I can gaurentee it was not a hop and pop, and it was not a jump from a 182. Common sayings at WFFC are "Whats a Cesnna?" The smallest plane there was Mullins King Air then an SDA Super Otter. Doing a hop and pop at WFFC would be the worst thing you could do, it would screw up ATC, it would be really stupid to pull that high anyways unless you are WAY out, and last out of the plane. My guess is its about 3k-3.5k (WFFC high pull height), camera man pulls hackey, holds and uses wings to pop up and over the jumper and as they clear they tossed the PC. Next photo in the series makes it look like the photographer was back sliding for the pic which would present the cleanest PC deployment if you were tossing it for someone else. It could have been done out of the chopper too, but thats a whole lot less likely since my understanding was the landing area for the chopper was off the airport by more then that.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
