TALONSKY 0 #1 February 18, 2003 I found out some information today about the cut away needed by Strong enterprise (this only is for Strong tandem instructor canadidates). I spoke to Denise( I believe he is the director of the tandem program) and asked about the cutaway. He said they have a rig they will ship to the course director for doing intentional cutaways , all you need to do is call him and he will ship the rig to the course director. It cost $25.00 a jump and shipping back to them. I thought since most people I talked to has really ran into a little bit of a problem coming up with the cut away this might be useful info to pass to everyone. If you would like to talk to Denise their number is 1-800-344-6319. Blue Skies Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #2 February 18, 2003 What is the cutaway requirement for a strong rating? Is that you must have had one previously? If you have not had a previous cutaway, do you then you get to jump Strongs 3 Parachute system to satisfy that requirement? - -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #3 February 18, 2003 Their requirment is one intentional or emergency cut away. I do not think they would lend it out just to use. It was my impression it was meant for those of us lucky enough to never have had a cut away. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #4 February 18, 2003 Thanks. I was just curious. I've well satisfied the cutaway requirement. (including planned breakaways on 3 parachute Systems) - -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samp76 0 #5 February 19, 2003 Does the 3 parachute system use a AAD?? -Sam-Let go of the NUT!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #6 February 19, 2003 It can.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,096 #7 February 19, 2003 >Does the 3 parachute system use a AAD?? In general, 3 parachute systems use normal reserve/harness systems, so you can still use an AAD if you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #8 February 19, 2003 Our 3-canopy rig had a big old reserve (with Cypres) and two mains. One packed on top of the other. Both with hand deploy PCs for both (although they were ROL, they could be made into BOC without much trouble). The only difference from a standard rig was that the main you intended to cut away wasn't separated with a handle, but with two pull tabs mounted on the risers themselves. We mocked it up with a cutaway pillow once, but it didn't make much sense to have someone cutting away using a pillow, only to deploy the next canopy from an ROL... of course, if you put a spring loaded PC in the second main tray, and rigged it to a Reserve handle.... Ummmm....something about violating TSO I think...oh well, it's a rigger day-dream... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #9 February 19, 2003 THe one I was using is just like yours... I had to wave it good by though and finally return it to the rightful owner.... - My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #10 February 19, 2003 We actually sold ours...it wasn't getting enought jumps on it. Keith Wyatt's got it now. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #11 February 19, 2003 I know the one. Very similar. I made the main riser release system which released the same way but it was a different construction. Fun times.I made 2 jumps on someones home madeparachute out of the one I had. -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #12 February 20, 2003 Of course, rather than get this big old rig out, we also built up some simple L-bar attachments that go under the existing 3-rings on your rig and allow you to jump whatever you want, cut it away (with the two pull tabs again) and go back into freefall under your own rig. The only thing about it is that you have to brown-nag deploy the "test" main, or direct bag it out the door. Either way, it's about flying the canopy not freefalling it, so the system seems to work well and is less bulky. ...we did, at one point, build up a pretty cool main D-bag with a BOC on it for deploying yourself off the step on this set up...so many ways to have fun!!... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyMissy 0 #13 February 20, 2003 That sounds like a cool setup. I wonder if the one Strong sends to candidates is that different from a regular system. There sure doesn't seem to be a lot of relevance to a real world situation in this kind of rig. More like a canopy test rig. Anyway, I guess no intentional anything can match a real emergency, but I just felt like rambling...________________________________________________ Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #14 February 20, 2003 The coolest part is that the entire setup amounts to two small webbing risers and some hardware. It can be added to about any rig out there (mostly) and is easy to use. At the end of the day, it's just a toy...but it's fun and beats lugging around a big old Three Canopy rig, IMO. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listo 0 #15 February 21, 2003 The main purpose is to demonstrate that you aren't afraid to cut away and go to a second canopy. It would kind of look funny to have a tandem master burn in cause they had never cut away and were afraid to. It might sound weird to have that reasoning, but that is what I was told by my Tandem IE anyway. Listo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #16 February 21, 2003 I have seen 5 simulated cutaways wearing the tadenm rig, suspended used to meet the requirements for the tandem rating. it was for an Eclipse rating. I'm not a tandem I/E, so I don't know the specifics. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listo 0 #17 February 21, 2003 well, i have one cut away and I debated whether or not it should count. I fired one of Billy's student cypress while flying a good functioning canopy at about 700 feet. I was spiralling and the darn cheesy thing fired on me causing an instant downplane. The funny thing is that Dr. Bob and Nelson were talking about doing a downplane together but backed out of it. There was skuttle butt going around that I did it on purpose. I promise, I didn't though.Anyway, my tandem I/E said that a cut away is a cut away and wouldn't get the rig from strong for me. DARN!Listo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #18 February 21, 2003 I've done an intentional cutaway on a 3chute rig. I got absolutely nothing out of the experience. I don't see how it helps you be prepared for a real cutaway at all. I spent the whole time in the plane going over my 5 handles and envisioning what i was to do. I suppose the only thing i really got practice on was following a main down. IMO, i think an intentional cutaway is a big waste of time. If you know it's gonna happen, you're not really dealing with an unexpected emergency situation. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #19 February 21, 2003 Since I have not done one yet, I can only speculate but I would totally agree with you. An intentional cutaway is nothing like a mal. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,096 #20 February 21, 2003 >I don't see how it helps you be prepared for a real cutaway at all. It prepares you to get stable and deploy a 'reserve' in a regime (still air) that most skydivers have no experience in. It also prepares you for the feeling of a zero-speed cutaway, which is very different from the feeling of an exit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
