peek 21 #1 June 3, 2003 I have gotten a number of responses to my questions that indicate that many of you are thinking that I am proposing more documentation/manuals for student training. I am not! And I reiterate that this has nothing to do with USPA. I tried to word my questions so that I did not bias the answers that I might get, and I guess I made it sound like I was inquiring related to USPA programs. Below is my original posting. Please respond if you haven't, and did not because you misunderstood me. -------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a question for you Instructors, and it is about documenting student jumps. I'm soliciting your opinions in response to some ideas suggested from an instructor I know, (not for USPA S&T issues). It is oriented toward the US and USPA. 1. Logbooks seemed to work just fine, with the S&TA verifying knowledge and skill requirements when filling out the "A" license application (now the "A" license Proficiency Card), but this required that the instructors wrote enough in the logbooks, (which often doesn't happen). 2. USPA added the "A" license Proficiency Card, which presumably was a "checklist" to make sure that a student had enough (documented) knowledge and skills (in their logbooks or otherwise) before getting their license. 2A. The least paperwork for the Instructor- If the logbook was filled out in enough detail, the S&TA could simply verify the knowledge and skills in the logbook and fill out the Proficiency Card *when the student applied for a license*. 2B. More paperwork for the Instructor- The student is concerned enough about their progress to bring their "A" license Proficiency Card to their debriefing and have the instructor sign off items on a *jump-by-jump basis*. OK, after all that, here is the question. Q1. As instructors what do you think of adding another? 3. Signoffs in the DZ training program manual, the one that has the DZ's particular list of jumps listed and the things that the student is supposed to be accomplishing on them. (These signoffs would be in addition to the proficiency card if filled out each jump.) Q2. What do you think is an adequate level of safety? (To be brief you can answer 1, 2A, 2B, 3) Q3. Which would be your prefered level? Q4. Is this too much paperwork, and are parts of it superfluous? Related questions if this additional document is in place: Q5. What happens if the student remembers their logbook, but not the training manual? Q6. If Manifest is the first point of contact for figuring out where the student is in their progression and what instructor to assign to the student, what document does manifest personnel base their decison on? Q7. What do think of replacing the logbook with the DZ training manual so that there would be only two documents to sign off? (The training manual and the proficiency card.) -- Gary Peek mailto:peek@freefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
