Hooknswoop 19 #1 June 18, 2004 http://www.dropzone.com/dropzone/North_America/United_States/Colorado/index.html Why is there 7 DZ's listed for CO when there are only 3? Here what each DZ lists for jumpships: cessna 205, cessna turbo 206, king air- fake DZ listing. C-206 C-208-Fake DZ listing KingAir and 206- King Air yes, 206 no Cessna Turbo P206, Cessna Caravan turboprop-DZ is out of business Cessna 206, cessna 205-206 no, 205 yes Super Otter, KingAir, Cessna Turbo 206- King Air, yes, 206 yes, Otter no (OK, they have an otter now, SDAZ's otter, but they have had it listed for over a year now w/o having an Otter) 1 Caravan and 2 Turbocharged Cessna 206's, all Full time- This DZ actually has the aircraft listed. DZ advertising Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #2 June 18, 2004 Hey, do they call themselves Adventure Skydiving? So far I've found 23 fake DZs using my DZs name and the sites are exact clones of our sites. The meta tags even name me as their Chief instructor! Check it out Mine www.339jump.com One of theirs www.tnskydiving.com You tell me if we're being ripped off! These sites have no real location listed, just a number that sends you to a national booking centre (like 1800skyride) Pissed, You bet! I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motherhucker 0 #3 June 18, 2004 Quote Super Otter, KingAir, Cessna Turbo 206- King Air, yes, 206 yes, Otter no (OK, they have an otter now, SDAZ's otter, but they have had it listed for over a year now w/o having an Otter) If this is the DZ I think it is (Mile Hi), Then I'm pretty sure you're wrong. I have a friend that lives in CO and works at that DZ, who's been complaining about having to shufflle all of his toolboxes around the Super Otter that he shares a Hangar with for the last year or more. Besides--SDAZ says they have 3 super otters--even though you say one of them is in colorado! Point being that those DZ listings tend to fluxuate all the time anyhow, especially during the peak seasons. So I guess you're right about it being inaccurate--they actually have 2 Otters, A King Air, and a Turbo 206! Pretty cool! mh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 June 18, 2004 Only 23 sites? You have'nt looked very hard. Last count I knew was way about 100. They changed their name from Atlanta Skydiving Center to Adventure Skydiving Center last year so they could try and sucker in people from the surrounding cities and states with out telling them where they were located. Side question, do you own the copyrights to all the images in your brocure? I see a few with like Olav and crew in them that might be own by you, but if not did you buy the pictures for use?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #5 June 18, 2004 QuoteHey, do they call themselves Adventure Skydiving? So far I've found 23 fake DZs using my DZs name and the sites are exact clones of our sites. The meta tags even name me as their Chief instructor! Check it out Mine www.339jump.com One of theirs www.tnskydiving.com You tell me if we're being ripped off! These sites have no real location listed, just a number that sends you to a national booking centre (like 1800skyride) He ain't kidding.... See Adventure Skydiving Knockoffs to see the clone sites side by side. For those that haven't read up on this, see SkyRide and the long list of urls .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #6 June 18, 2004 The brochure was produced in conjunction with another DZ who bought the images for use in the brochure.We have a new one now but we have updated it yet. We also bought a clipart CD for our web-mistress to use and it I pisses me off that we bought the images that they use for free. The Jumper on the banner however is me and the logo displayed is my own design. We payed a webmistress money to produce the layout, which they are using for free. I even painted the logo on the girl who appears in the bottom corner, paid money for professional photography (part of an ad campaign) and have the negs to prove it. Naming me as their Cheif Instructor, scaming people and using stuff we paid for in good faith pisses me off . They also have these sites in markets I advertise in, confusing the customer and using my advertising dollars! OOOOHHHH they will pay!I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #7 June 18, 2004 QuoteIf this is the DZ I think it is (Mile Hi), Then I'm pretty sure you're wrong. I have a friend that lives in CO and works at that DZ, who's been complaining about having to shufflle all of his toolboxes around the Super Otter that he shares a Hangar with for the last year or more. LOL- If you can't jump out of it, it doesn't really count. And I gave credit where credit is due. They do have a flying Otter now. But the otter they have had listed for over a year hasn't flown a single load at the DZ. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #8 June 18, 2004 QuoteIf this is the DZ I think it is (Mile Hi), Then I'm pretty sure you're wrong. I have a friend that lives in CO and works at that DZ, who's been complaining about having to shufflle all of his toolboxes around the Super Otter that he shares a Hangar with for the last year or more. No Otter in a hangar out at Mile-Hi. They are renting one from Eloy, and it's parked outside. Might want to have your friend clear that up.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #9 June 18, 2004 QuoteCheck it out Mine http://www.339jump.com One of theirs http://www.tnskydiving.com You tell me if we're being ripped off! Well... I'm www.tennskydive.com ...actually in Tennessee, I called again just to spend some of their 800 money (If ya wanna get even just call and talk and talk and talk.... hell they're paying for the call and ya keep 'em from talking to someone else...) Passed pissed... we've been dealing with them for years... if ya wanna have fun, block your number, they use caller id to price your jump, then talk for hours... consider it a reverse 900 number if you want! They pay for the call, enjoy it! Spread the word, perhaps we can flood their lines with calls at their expense for our pleasure! Chris (the real) Tennessee Skydiving Center Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #10 June 18, 2004 People ... people ... do we need to slap HH around for not keeping his website up-to-date? Isn't he already kind of pre-occupied adding servers and diskspace for "Bonfire" and "Speakers Corner" mindless chatter to remember about keeping his DZ pages up-to-date? I think we should cut HH some slack here (he is after all a really cool guy) and not worry about who's jumping what and what they're jumping. At least there is some jumping going on in the state and there are a few pretty interesting airplanes currently around to service the skydiving community. I've got my own little projects going on at the moment, that's why some of these DZs haven't seen my ugly mug recently (and may not see it in the coming weeks). But I sure will be happy sometime in July when I'm back in the state jumping knowing that I could choose to jump out of an Otter, a Caravan and/or a couple of King Airs all within a 2 1/2 hour drive (some obviously less). I'm sure there are plenty of people out there in the skydiving world who would love those options but don't have them. Move on to the next thread ... nothing more to see here. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #11 June 18, 2004 Quotehttp://www.dropzone.com/dropzone/North_America/United_States/Colorado/index.html Super Otter, KingAir, Cessna Turbo 206- King Air, yes, 206 yes, Otter no (OK, they have an otter now, SDAZ's otter, but they have had it listed for over a year now w/o having an Otter) Derek- Since I took over a bunch of the web stuff for this particular DZ, the TwOtter was initially removed. It was readded this spring after the DZ contacted me to advise that the Skydive AZ otter would be there. You are only partially correct in your statement. Make sure you know the facts before stating things as fact. As for the other DZ listings, the multiple listings are all in Canon City so you can't pick on Mile Hi for this one. ----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #12 June 18, 2004 From your site: Quote© Copyright 2001 - 2003 Adventure Skydiving. All rights reserved. Reproduction of any content or photos from this site is strictly forbidden. got an attorney for the DZ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #13 June 18, 2004 QuoteNo Otter in a hangar out at Mile-Hi. They are renting one from Eloy, and it's parked outside. Might want to have your friend clear that up. ...Got you on this one...It's in the former helicopter hanger. The tail and wings are off go get in in there. It's kind of sad looking right now, but it's getting everything done to it that it needs to have done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #14 June 18, 2004 QuoteFrom your site: Quote© Copyright 2001 - 2003 Adventure Skydiving. All rights reserved. Reproduction of any content or photos from this site is strictly forbidden. got an attorney for the DZ? It seems every year that the complaints about this particular group of people go up every year. Has anyone retained a lawyer and gone after him? USPA isn't going to do anything...so, let's go to the outside and bring him down. Anyone care to put together a fund to help pay for the demise of this BS?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #15 June 18, 2004 QuoteDerek- Since I took over a bunch of the web stuff for this particular DZ, the TwOtter was initially removed. It was readded this spring after the DZ contacted me to advise that the Skydive AZ otter would be there. You are only partially correct in your statement. Make sure you know the facts before stating things as fact. As for the other DZ listings, the multiple listings are all in Canon City so you can't pick on Mile Hi for this one. Actually I didn't want to pick on any specific DZ which is why I didn't name any DZ. For a long time they listed an otter w/o having a FLYING otter. I even fixed it when I realized they have a FLYING otter now. You would have a point if they never listed an Otter w/o having one, but they have. I used CO as the example because I know what jump ships are flying loads at each DZ. My point is a lot of DZ advertising is B.S. or misleading. Again, I didn’t single out any DZ nor was that my intention. It isn't HH's responsibility to update those listings, it is the DZ's. It is just funny that DZ's tend to list more jump ships than they actually have FLYING. I like the idea of calling ASC's 800 # and talking and talking. Why is so much DZ advertising obviously false? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #16 June 18, 2004 Money is kinda the issue, any legal action must be undertaken in atlanta and there are still no guarentees. That's a long way from here! I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #17 June 21, 2004 QuoteThe tail and wings are off go get in in there. It's kind of sad looking right now, My wrong, didn't realize the Otter was moved out there. But I'd still like to see how that Otter can fly in the shape it's in. I think that is the point that was trying to be made here. That just because a DZ has a said aircraft sitting in a hangar, the jumpers need to know if it's airworthy or not, and flying. For other people reading this post, I'm not picking on one DZ. I think it can be show all over that DZO's or who ever does the website, tend to exaggerate the facts.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #18 June 21, 2004 QuoteThat just because a DZ has a said aircraft sitting in a hangar, the jumpers need to know if it's airworthy or not, and flying. right. It was removed from the DZ.com listing when I got access to it (the dz.com listing). When the AZ Otter arrived in CO, I added it back on. So, the DZ had an Otter that was flyable when it was listed. QuoteFor other people reading this post, I'm not picking on one DZ. I think it can be show all over that DZO's or who ever does the website, tend to exaggerate the facts. Nah...the facts are never exagerated . My goal is to keep the facts straight on two of the CO dz's websites since I'm maintaining them. (added Note: only responsible for one dz.com listing though)----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
