DJL 235 #51 January 17, 2003 QuotePlease consider the other people in your life. This may not be fun, but then again, who said life was SUPPOSED to be fun? Peace, Thomas p.s. Staying alive always leaves hope for things to get better. Just keep thinking...things CAN get better. Even if this is the low point in life, that means things can only get better. Ok, who's this guy using Thomas' login? What's up Mr. Positive? Nice to meet you. -Doug"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #52 January 17, 2003 Quote i still think so ..to each his own.. Apparently you haven't been in the sport long enough to know why this isn't funny and why you are spitting on the very individuals that these things have happened to.. Maybe when you grow up you will see that you are being insensitive and inconsiderate.. Segador get's out his blade.... Rhino walks away................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #53 January 17, 2003 Time to switch to PM's and get back to keep this as a supportive thread. -Doug"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #54 January 17, 2003 actually i'm not spitting on anyone unlike your slobbering self. everything is funny. when life gets ugly you have two choices laugh or cry. i chose to laugh. if you want to cry then fine but stop flaming those who feel differently than you. since you feel the need to spew i wonder who really needs to 'grow up' and if your threating me, bring it. and a bag to put the pieces of you in, marine or no..you wont be the first and likely not the last. pick your morning. since you started this i get to pick the weapons..you wont like it i gaaarrrooonttieee silly boy.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmcvey 0 #55 January 17, 2003 Quoteand if your threating me, bring it. and a bag to put the pieces of you in, marine or no..you wont be the first and likely not the last. pick your morning. since you started this i get to pick the weapons..you wont like it i gaaarrrooonttieee silly boy. I can't express how glad I am people like you have started posting on dropzone.com you make this place so much better than it was 3 years ago when jumpers were freindly and considerate towards one another, and were happy to agree to disagree, and share knowlede, and not feel the need to lower the thread to whuffo talk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #56 January 17, 2003 i cant express how glad i am that people are capable of reading a thread and completely miss assigning the blamefor dragging a thread down...try again? if you still dont see who started throwing poo then oh well..people like you shouldnt post either i guess.. QuoteSegador get's out his blade.... Rhino walks away................ based on the lovely split personality sytle he posts as that is a threat dont you think? hell read a few threads up and see who decided to start attacking because he disagreed with what i find humor in.. duh...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #57 January 17, 2003 Quote which is the best way to commit skydiving suicide? main aspect: to hurt the sport as little as possible /David I never thought about this in terms of suicide, only as a fantasy in case I like lost my rig in freefall or had a double-total or something, but maybe it could be adapted. . . I figure if I was going in anyway, I would scan the ground for an open dumpster and track right into it. Reason is that I might be remembered as someone thoughtful who tried not to leave a mess. Seriously, for anyone contemplating suicide - seek out others who have been close in the past and ask them their story - how is life now? Things change in ways that in a specific time, you can't even imagine. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamsville 0 #58 January 17, 2003 This thread has touched me. I think by now you may have read what everyone has written. Quite a few reacted emotionally because it touched a raw nerve, which is what you should expect. However, there were a bunch of posts where people also took the time to offer help and advice. These selfless acts go to the quality of the people in our sport, before you count anyone outside of it that cares about you. That should get you thinking about how regretable it would be to give up such gifts of friendship, rather than trying to deal with what is troubling you so you would still have the blessings of others who care. HarryI don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #59 January 17, 2003 So, o.k., I didn't think that I was going to respond. Too many bad memories, too hard to articulate. And frankly, too angry at some of you posters and the comments. I am not going to comment on that, and, as stated, troll or not, suicide is a very important thing to deal with maturely. As some of you have had to deal with it, and as the rest of you have not, let me give you some insight. I sat there one evening, not too long ago. Contemplating the bottle of pills. Thinking about how badly I've screwed up, how many things I'd touched and had tarnished. How amazingly perfectly I had failed - failed everyone. I sat there, thinking about how badly I hurt, how difficult it was to continue because of the pain, because of my inability to continue on in this condition. I sat there and thought about how easy - and welcome - it would be to just stop the hurting...just stop the constant failures and pain and anxiety and agony. So easy...and the only thing I could think of to stop the pain was death. What you people who've never handled this don't understand is when you're there, it's the only way, at that moment, to stop the hurt which is unbearable, unbelieveable, and incapacitating. I used so say I was so down in the bottom of the hole that when I looked up, I got dirt in my eyes. It has nothing to do with wanting to die, and everything to do with wanting to stop the pain, overwhelming and incredibly heavy. It has everything to do with the darkness so black that you cannot see the light - even one small pinspot of light, far away. There is nothing left to hold on to, nothing to stop the floor from falling, no end. And I thought about it. Decided to put it off for a day. Not because I'd figured out the solution, but because it was too close to a family member's birthday. So I waited a few weeks, and repeated the process...thinking, considering, drinking, frantically searching for that floor, something to stop the spiral. And decided to put it off for a few weeks more, because now it was too close to a holiday, and I didn't want to leave near that time because of the heartache... (But it also didn't matter about the heartache, because I was worth so little, caused so much pain to my family and friends, caused them so much concern and worry, that I figured it would be easier for them if I died, and not bothered them any more.) Finally, I managed to call a help center, and they did not judge, didn't scream at me that I'd burn in hell, or that it was selfish. I didn't think it would help, you see, because I was not worth helping, not worth taking up oxygen that would be better served with someone else. Not worth it. And the lady on the phone talked to me for many hours...and convinced me that she thought I was worth one last shot, one more try...but a real one, not a fake one. One last time, pulling myself up by my bootstraps and trying again. Because I don't make promises lightly, I promised her I would call a therapist and go in for an evaluation... Epic story somewhat shorter, I went in, got on some medication (after lots of resistence, I might add), and managed to pull myself out of the hole I had been in for literally years. I had undiagnosed and untreated clinical depression, and was able to stablize - get the floor under me - long enough to learn how to cope with it. How to recognize it and move through episodes unmedicated and somewhat productively. I recently went through a severe episode, and managed to survive it and hang on through a really rough year. I recognize that it's something I will contend with for as long as I am alive...and suicide is not a consideration for me personally any more. Here's the thing. If you do decide to do it, make sure it isn't skydiving. Make sure you can't hang on one more day. Make sure you really can't see the pinspot of light. Make sure you really don't have any reason to get through the night and into the day. And then wait... I'm not going to hand you any criticism. I am not going to tell you "don't do it". I am going to say that I've been there, and I know how difficult it is to be where you are. I am going to tell you that I am holding out my hand, and I'm here. And if you can't reach it, that's o.k...I have long arms. I'll stretch. It's a long hard road back, but if I can do it - weak, fearful, confused, lost in the dark - I believe that you can, too. I am nothing special. I am no superwoman. I am nothing other than ordinary...if I can manage to make it through, I believe you will, as well. Take my hand. I'm here. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #60 January 17, 2003 Well said Michele! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #61 January 17, 2003 Never mind........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #62 January 17, 2003 >since you feel the need to spew i wonder who really needs to 'grow up' >and if your threating me, bring it. and a bag to put the pieces of you in, OK, that's it. There was some good stuff here; I'm sorry you couldn't keep it from getting personal, or from threatening someone else with violence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
