Zenister 0 #26 January 17, 2003 QuoteQuotehike into the desert with no food starving is painful, who would like to die like that well are you dedicated or not? if so pain is only an minor obstacle..one would like suggest seppuku. effective, decisive, and no one will question if its was cry for help or not. Get it over with and stop trolling, your stealing oxygen someone who wants to live could be using…____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyThomas 0 #27 January 17, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuotehike into the desert with no food starving is painful, who would like to die like that well are you dedicated or not? if so pain is only an minor obstacle..one would like suggest seppuku. effective, decisive, and no one will question if its was cry for help or not. Get it over with and stop trolling, your stealing oxygen someone who wants to live could be using… Hey Pengy. Here is that person not to listen to. At least you can admit to thinking about it. That is tougher than doing it in my book. Suicide may be the easy way out, but it is also the chickenshit way out. And if you have any religion, it is wrong. At least you are looking for answers instead of just doing without thinking, so you must have some brains. Keep living, Thomas p.s. Maybe just not ask about it here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #28 January 17, 2003 You know when I was a teenager I gave it some thought. I was just afraid I'd miss out on something really interesting. Was in a car accident when I was 21 and spent about 8 hours thinking that they were the last hours alive. The first hour was spent on the side of the road going into shock. I never gave up wanting to stay alive. Just had a lot of time to think about it and really started to get pissed because I felt I had a lot more to do then just die. suicide is only to hurt the people that are left behind. It is the easy way out. The cowards way out, in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #29 January 17, 2003 Quotegoing headdown into the ground would end life instantly without a chance for anyone to stop it, and therefore it couldn´t be only a cry for help Obviously you have no idea what seeing that can do to a person. And no matter how carefully you think you've planned it, someone is going to see it. What if that someone is a little kid? I lost a friend who did just what you're considering. It was a horrible experience to go through and it still hurts. What about your family and friends? Even if they aren't there, how do you think they'll feel when they hear the news? You want to die without pain, but you aren't even considering the pain you'll leave behind for those who care about you - and I can guarantee that there is someone out there who cares about you - you're a skydiver, aren't you? Death is such a final solution. I know that sometimes life really sucks, but y'know what? If you hang on to it, it will get better. It always does. Get some help; there's lots of it out there and some of it is even free. Asking for help doesn't mean you're weak, it means you're strong enough to realize that there are some things you can't handle on your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #30 January 17, 2003 Look here, man, I didn't take time to read all the posts- The subject line spoke volumes to me- Message to you in personally and everyone here in general- It ain't something to joke about. If you feel you're at the end of your tether, get some help from anyone. No one will be better off with you gone. I know from experience, I lost my father that way. I don't know if anyone else has lost a loved one, but I have, and it wasn't cool. He blew his brains out with a rifle, and my little brother and my Mom were right in the next room. I cleaned up the mess, literally. Hollywood doesn't know shit about gunshots to the head. It aint fuckin' funny. If this is some trolling shit, fuck you. If you need help, get it. If I piss anyone else off, screw you, come talk to me once some one you know, love, respect, and has been a major role model in you life dies. Bottom line, this post troubles the hell out of me. No matter what your problem is, get some help to get it taken care of. It ain't no easy way out, man! NO MATTER HOW MUCH LIFE SUCKS, DON'T BACK DOWN! YOU'RE A SKYDIVER, DAMMIT - YOU CAN HANDLE IT! Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #31 January 17, 2003 Speaking from experience,suicide is an awful thing for the remaining loved ones.There is no way to describe the feeling.I wont even try. get some fuckin help ! dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jedeisurf 0 #32 January 17, 2003 what are you fu-ing crazy i have lost everything in the last 5 years including a job of 13 years you need to see a shrink and don't even think of taking your life skydiving it is not worth it and no matter what you do you will scar our sport. Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #33 January 17, 2003 QuoteI lost a friend who did just what you're considering. It was a horrible experience to go through and it still hurts. What about your family and friends? Even if they aren't there, how do you think they'll feel when they hear the news? You want to die without pain, but you aren't even considering the pain you'll leave behind for those who care about you - and I can guarantee that there is someone out there who cares about you - you're a skydiver, aren't you? Ya know, I've been in this same spot. I'd just gotten my A and I was psyched. Ready to jump with a few of the awesome people I'd become friends with who'd helped me get my liscense. Now, it had taken me nearly 2 years to get my A because I was that poor, but I always managed to hang out at the DZ nearly every weekend, and there was this one guy I'd become really good friends with. Well, long story short, we go up on a four-way, which I promptly funneled, but we managed to stay close enough to enjoy each other's company, then every one but him opens. He just rolled over back down. I still have dreams about that every now and then, and they are NOT pleasant. Please, even if, like my friend said in his letter he left, you've got nothing left to live for, remember that just like him, there's a lot of people who see all the amazing things you've got to offer. Don't waste that, learn from it instead. Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #34 January 17, 2003 I reccomend a dose of "Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful Life". CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #35 January 17, 2003 If you really thought this thing with suicide through, then you should have comed to some alternative solutions. Since suicide would be the last thing you do, it might be smart to try other solutions first. My favorite alternativ is to just go away. Leave all your friend, family and life as you know it behind you. Who knows where you'll end up? Maybe you'll meet the love of your life in Bombay. Maybe you'll find wisdom and paece in Tibet. Maybe you'll end up as a beggar and drug adict in Buenos Airos. Maybe you'll become a skydiver bum. Packing and jumping and enjoy life. Maybe you'll realize your life wasn't so bad and go back. Stop pitying yourself. Take responsibility. Life is hard, but tough! There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #36 January 17, 2003 hey bud sillycide(yes i think its silly to do it) is just plain stupid. ive had 3 friends commit to it . i think all of them were selfish for doing it. think of your friends and family. doing your self in is not an option. doing it while jumping is even dummer, i have seeen someone "go in" it is somthing i do not want to see again. if you are that disturbed get help. offing youself is not the way to go.just remember that people love you. do you want to take that from them? if this is a troll you've hit a nerve in me that runs deep and i do no appreciate it. if you are truthful then get help!!!! i dont like hearing about anyone getting killed in this sport. so rethink your life sillycide just aint worth it.......if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #37 January 17, 2003 Quote which is the best way to commit skydiving suicide? main aspect: to hurt the sport as little as possible /David Old age. Beware of permanent solutions to temporary problems. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #38 January 17, 2003 pengy,,,, Listen Up!!!!!... It takes a bit to get me riled.... but your question has done just thatHow DARE you,,,assume that your problems/difficulties/raw deals in life/and hardships are any worse than what most other people tackle and OVERCOME,,,, every day of the year..... And how DARE you even think,,, to besmirch the sport that I and thousands and thousands of others have worked so hard to keep safe and "acceptable" to the whuffo population at large.........We have enough trouble with the general media, and the impressionable public, when it comes to the interpretation of skydiving accidents ... To even consider envisioning,, and then carrying out a preplanned "no pull" .is not acceptable...and Is a slap in the face to every safety conscious jumper out here...... Life can be harsh....and yes maybe unfair,,, but the true mark of a persons' character, is the way he or she responds to it.... Step Up, Man,,,,, get things straight, work it out,,, heal yourself,,, and stay the hell away from OUR sport/hobby/passion/lifestyle/vocation....you whuffo. Here, 2 hours later,I have re-read my post..and so I add this post script.. A blast of truth can be rough..forgive my bad manners.Be sure to....Seriously consider each of the replies which have been made,,, to your inquiry...get better.. It is up to YOU, to Create a Happy Future for yourself ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakflyer9999 1 #39 January 17, 2003 Quote which is the best way to commit skydiving suicide? main aspect: to hurt the sport as little as possible /David David, Let me start by saying that suicide is not the answer to life's problems. Life is terminal on its own. See where it leads. I don't have any idea why you are considering this. Did your girlfriend/wife leave you? Lose your job? Just plain depression? There are lots of troubles in life, but all of these things can be fixed. Lots of other responses have already told you to get help or to just leave the problems behind by a change of scenery. Those are all good advice. On the other hand, I do personally believe that suicide is a better alternative to the slow agonizing death I watched my granddad suffer through. Five years with cancer. Two years on his back in a nursing home. If your situation is a terminal illness, then then answer is still the same. Please seek professional advice to make an informed decision. Suicide is very final. Yesterday was the fourth anniversary of the death of my best friend. He died while skydiving, doing the only thing I ever saw bring him life. I have to tell you though, it was not a pretty sight for those of us left behind. My friend did not commit suicide, but the result was virtually the same. His family, the skydiving community and I have all grieved for our loss as I'm sure we will grieve for you. It has been a tough time for several of us. I haven't jumped in four years and neither have several others who were present that day. Now with all that said, I would like to ask you two questions. Are you at the place in your spiritual life where you know for certain that when you die, you will go to heaven? And If you were to stand before God today and He asked you "Why should I let you into my Heaven?" What would you say? If you don't know the answers, there are many people who can help you answer these questions. If you don't know who to turn to for answers to these questions, then I know I can find someone for you, if you will let me. Kenny G. P.S. If this is a troll, that's ok. It doesn't hurt to discuss this issue in an open forum. Perhaps there is someone else reading this thread who is contemplating suicide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #40 January 17, 2003 Quote not to mention all the time and energy to get goo off everyones rigs and suits.. Not funny... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #41 January 17, 2003 Personally, I think this is a troll. That said... anyone else who is really considering skydiving as a form of suicide should think about this. It is really, really painful. Having watched at number of people die from hook turns, it isn't always fast. You may not die right away. Second, a nothing-out impact is REALLY messy. It's not like Berenger in Cutaway. No cute body for the others to weep over. Suicides think that they will "make a point", some kind of statement. Skydiving won't do that. Pick another method or get therapy. I had counseling after my divorce, I recommend it to everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #42 January 17, 2003 Well, if your trolling good job!!!! Your an asshole, but good job!!! If not..... Well I am a guy that thinks that if you want to do anything in life with your life, it is your choice. This includes ending it. I personally don't think that killing yourself is the answer....If it is it was a STUPID question. As for how to do it with out hurting the sport....hey jackass ya can't. Have you ever seen a body after a full tilt boogie impact? It's not pretty. I have seen more than one person quit after such a mess, and several were never the same. I was not the same. Every persons death that I care about affects me. And ya never know who is going to be affected by what you do. So the quick answer is you can't do it with out affecting the sport or the people in it. The long answer is get help. Whatever it is thats bothering you, remember this... In time, this too shall pass. If you really can't take the thought of living anymore.... Don't kill yourself skydiving. It will have a negative impact. Don't kill yourself with a gun...It just feeds the anti gun morons. I hope ya don't do such a final fix to a problem, but its really your choice. Ron"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBile 0 #43 January 17, 2003 If your serious I've got three words for you to remember :- Cognative Behavioral Therapy. It kicks the shit out of depression which is the mother of all suicidal tendencies. Get it. It will save your life. If your a Troll I've got just two words for you :- Fuck off you sad bastard. Gerb I stir feelings in others they themselves don't understand. KA'CHOW ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #44 January 17, 2003 PENGY, this is pretty disturbing to me also. If you are serious then you know you are looking for some other options. SEEK THEM. THERE IS NO SAFE WAY TO KILL YOURSELF!! there will always be someone left with questions and fear and they will NEVER be the same. they will ALWAYS wonder why you did it. it doesnt matter if you leave a note ,video, telegram or anything. you will be hurting ALOT of people by taken your own life. when I was younger I had thoughts like yours ( I bet we all did) but if you gotta take your own life then take it into yor own hands and make it better. I will not get into my emotional baggage of my friends deaths but there is still ALOT of people carrying around alot of pain! My first friend died when I was nine....I still miss him EVERYDAY. If you care about anybody, DO NOT DO THIS!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charliezulu 0 #45 January 17, 2003 I'd like to go out in some kind of a fall, pref. from an aircraft of some sort - but not in a suicide. For all the reasons that everyone else has listed, that's selfish, at best. Has anyone asked yet via PM if this guy/gal has a reason to commit suicide that can't be overcome with any amount of intervention/counseling/medical help/prayer, etc.? Happens sometimes. In which case, I'd like to say good luck, wish it could have turned out better for you. CZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #46 January 17, 2003 You kill yourself you goto hell...... Your gonna burn... Hope it is worth it.. Even people who do that suicide by cop thing trying to avoid going to hell. God still knows. He's not stupid. You innentionally made that cop shoot you. Therefor you are going to hell byiatch!!! Get the point?? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #47 January 17, 2003 Pengy, This may be a troll, but maybe not. Maybe it is a cry for help. Private Mail me if you like. I'll talk to you. I've known a lot of people who have offed themselves. If they even had one person in their life to talk to or had even one person who cared they might not have done it. Depression is a scary thing. It kills thousands. I also understand that many here don't want our sport tarnished by another suicide. Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charliezulu 0 #48 January 17, 2003 Who are you trying to convince? It's not as black and white as that in some religions. I, for one, am not in any way shape or form a Christian, and disagree with your point. I also haven't seen a post inquiring if Pengy is a Christian, in order to remind them of this particular club rule. CZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #49 January 17, 2003 Quote Quote not to mention all the time and energy to get goo off everyones rigs and suits.. Not funny... i still think so ..to each his own.. black humor is the best kind, its the last laugh you'll get Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #50 January 17, 2003 Quote You kill yourself you goto hell...... Your gonna burn... Hope it is worth it.. Even people who do that suicide by cop thing trying to avoid going to hell. God still knows. He's not stupid. You innentionally made that cop shoot you. Therefor you are going to hell byiatch!!! Get the point?? hell is other people.... he may just have to start all over again with a lovely load of extra karma to burn...but thanks for exposing the christain "your all sinners and going to burn" view. my day wouldnt have been complete without it.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
