Considerations when landing off

[SkydiverRick 0]

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I understand - my only point was that IMHO in some circumstances, it is easier to point out where potential powerlines may be since they usually follow a road. It may not be so easy to pick out a canopy underneath you if you don't specifically do a full circle of awareness check under canopy...

It's easier to predict power lines along the road than it is to predict traffic in the landing area? You should always do that full circle of awareness check while under canopy.

never pull low......unless you are

[freakydiver 0]

Hell yah its easier to predict where things are that dont move (i.e. powerlines). You think Roger was predicting that guy running into him? You think that guy predcicted Roger being where he was??

I do 8000 full circles of awareness while under canopy, but just like any traffic pattern, it changes every single second - ask Roger and the guy who ran into him.

You see roads moving? What about telephone poles next to the roads??

My 1 cent.

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[SkydiverRick 0]

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Hell yah its easier to predict where things are that dont move (i.e. powerlines). You think Roger was predicting that guy running into him? You think that guy predcicted Roger being where he was??

I do 8000 full circles of awareness while under canopy, but just like any traffic pattern, it changes every single second - ask Roger and the guy who ran into him.

You see roads moving? What about telephone poles next to the roads??

My 1 cent.

I consider landing on or near a road dangerous. Every Aff instructor in the country trains their students to land it the middle of a field to minimize the chance of hitting any obstacles (especially power lines). I should never have used Rogers collision as an example however. I didn't realize at the time how much it would distract us from the original point.

never pull low......unless you are

[freakydiver 0]

Did I at any time say - "Land next to a road" ???

No I did not - In fact, I do not advocate landing near a road to save one from having to walk. In my 40 or so off field landing, I have never landed closer to a road to prevent walking. Again, all I am saying is powerlines DO NOT move, canopies with pilots underneath them that are unpredictable do.

Lesson to learn? Head on swivel. How is that a distraction, it was simply said to show someone who never landed off WHERE to look for powerlines and WHERE NOT to land.

Cloudy ones.

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[diverdriver 6]

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They were both experienced canopy flyers and regardless of who's fault it was, the fact remains that it is easier to see a jumper under canopy than it is to see power lines and they still collided.

I agree with that.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
FB #4125

[freakydiver 0]

But you disagree with me? Seriously?? Hey look powerlines that weren't there a minute ago! Where did those come from! Hey look, they run parelelle to a road like they usually do! How strange!!!

OR

Hey look, Roger Nelson, where did he come from.

Honestly, which one is easier to see or PLAN AHEAD for. Scenario A hands down. Head on swivel does not prepare one for unlucky instance of Roger Nelson appearing out of nowhere. Knowing powerlines generally run parellel to road does.

Don't know anymore, don't care - save yourselves.

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[SkydiverRick 0]

Cloudy ones.

[freakydiver 0]

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[diverdriver 6]

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But you disagree with me? Seriously?? Hey look powerlines that weren't there a minute ago! Where did those come from! Hey look, they run parelelle to a road like they usually do! How strange!!!

OR

Hey look, Roger Nelson, where did he come from.

Honestly, which one is easier to see or PLAN AHEAD for. Scenario A hands down. Head on swivel does not prepare one for unlucky instance of Roger Nelson appearing out of nowhere. Knowing powerlines generally run parellel to road does.

Don't know anymore, don't care - save yourselves.

Generally, skydivers land in landing areas. So your point parallels both. As for actually seeing power line (not the effect of them or where they might be) you are better able to see an open parachute, glider, airplane than you can the 3 inch diameter line. That's what the question was. Can you see power lines or an open canopy better. Powerlines usually don't swoop you from above and behind true. I don't think that was the question.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
FB #4125

[freakydiver 0]

IMHO one should not have to see anything to plan for it. That was my point. I know not to land as close to the road to save walking distance because most likely that is where I will find powerlines.

Also, as much as I know there are other canopies in the air, there are blind spots and therefore it is not as easy to plan ahead for another canopy which is precisly my point. Planning saves lives. Period. Thus the TITLE OF THIS FREAKING thread - "Considerations when landing off."

Hmm - my consideration was simply that one can plan for powerlines, one can plan for other canopies, but given statistical analysis, canopies move into odd places that might not be visible by a canopy pilot, powerlines generally do not move and are more plannable for.

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --