freeflyerno 0 #51 January 5, 2003 Quote But it took you over 5330 posts (I only counted your iastate.edu mail adres) to grow up! Now wasn't that childish from me? Glad to see that you haven't grown up quite yet Quote BTW (Of topic if Bill allows it) I tried to sign your 'Gjestebok' but the fact that it is Norwegian isn't helpful. See if you can find out how to say 'Hi' in my 'Gastenboek'... Next time find something hard for me to do..oh, wait. I was suckered into that one, wasn't I My "gjestebok" should be pretty straight forward. There are three buttons at the top of the page. One is to search, the other is the number of posts displayed in the window at a time, and the last is to post a message. See if you can figure out which is which --- Unanswered questions are far less dangerous than unquestioned answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #52 January 10, 2003 Obviously the skydivers here prefer this site over the other one --- otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this, would we?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasmin 0 #53 January 10, 2003 I have been around DZ's for twenty years now. I have a dz account but no rec account. Touche. xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyeyeskydiving 0 #54 February 3, 2003 Boy! Who would have believed this thread would have gone on and on and... ;-) and so many people missing the point (though I'm glad to say not everyone)! Just to clarify a couple of things: I wasn't saying one forum was better than another, I certainly didn't say that rec was better or this one here was crap and I did say that dz.com is a great magazine. My comments were made in reference to my perception of skydivers in general today (well more towards the attitudes of -some of - those who are newer to the sport) and not to the type of person that posts to one or other of the forums! I don't dislike the moderator per se, I just think that one or two of 'em are just a bit too quick at flexing their muscle, sometimes to get to the meat of a situation you have to allow a little room! I am just as fed up as many are that recdot has gone the way it has but I prefer the format there (its simple to post and follow) and I'm hanging in hoping that things will improve, though I'm pretty much resigned to the fact they won't as most of those that did add value to it have been driven away by the actions of a few! I don't believe I've ever threatened on recdot to beat someone with a bat (or any other object) though I have said, probably a number of times, something along the lines that 'today's politically correct attitude is responsible for a number of things getting out of hand at the dz and that I hanker for the days when it wasn't felt incorrect in certain circumstances, for one person to slap another upside the head to make their point...' yeah I know, I'm a neanderthal, what can I say! :-( As to Peter's suggestion that Sangiro offer me a moderators position, that wouldn't work, I'm much more suited to being a second than a referee (and I do like to stir things up occasionally, if you hadn't noticed)! The best comment to come from the whole thread in reference to (I hope) everything I said: "Reeeelax, people. I personally don't care if Martin is upset that the site is not run to his liking. It's just his opinion". As the guy that said this is the same guy that misrepresented me by claiming I threatened to beat people with a bat, I have to wonder how he can get one statement so right while being so completely wrong about another! Conspiracy do ya think! ;-) Blue ones, Stay safe. Martin Evans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #55 February 3, 2003 Thanks for the thought, (geez.... loooong thread, ugh!) I just am out of patience to go back to reply on someone else's post. or too lazy, but after piling through them... dammit I'm gonna post something! Quote but I prefer the format there (its simple to post and follow) Personally, I hate the format set-up on the NG!!! It's a pain-in-the-ass for me. I never even logged on! Also, I have seen comments get wayyy out-of-control there! I lost all interest in inet dialogue for years because of recdot. I don't mind and actually appreciate the moderator concept, since it was brought up. I just wanted to comment. I like it as it sounds like you do too (with a couple of exceptions). .-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #56 February 3, 2003 Quote "Reeeelax, people. I personally don't care if Martin is upset that the site is not run to his liking. It's just his opinion". As the guy that said this is the same guy that misrepresented me by claiming I threatened to beat people with a bat, I have to wonder how he can get one statement so right while being so completely wrong about another! Conspiracy do ya think! First, I've met you and Tracey (spelling?) in Z-hills. I know that you-in-person and you-on-rec dot are slightly different. I doubt that the bat comment would be carried out, I just found it to be out of line, even for rec dot. Considering that insults are routinely passed, I didn't see why you got so riled when someone insulted you. I don't see a lot of point in being abusive. I like to see a good discussion also. When it goes to abuse, the value is lost. If you are really concerned about adding value to a discussion, the insults are really unnecessary. A simple search for "baseball bat" brought up the thread I was searching for, so I don't think that I misrepresented you. I don't truly foresee you carrying out any of this, but I don't see a point in posting it either, if we are just wanting to discuss a topic. Quote and if you are actually a real person don't assume I'm above bitch slapping a bitch, perhaps we'll meet soon! link QuoteAn argument is never really finished with until one or other of the debaters whacks the other. Until you've felt the vibration and heard the sound of cracking Willow as it contact with skull structure you've never lived! link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 26 #57 February 3, 2003 Quote I don't dislike the moderator per se, I just think that one or two of 'em are just a bit too quick at flexing their muscle, sometimes to get to the meat of a situation you have to allow a little room! I agree that moderators should have a slow hand. With an average of more than 1700 posts per day I think they're doing just fine though. By introducing some method to the madness I would argue that we get to the "meat of the situation" a lot more often than on rec. Isn't this one of the reasons why people don't frequent rec anymore? I know it is for me. It's impossible to get to the "meat" through all the noise.... Oh yes, and speaking of moderating... Bill (happythoughts), I hope you and Martin aren't going to run this one into the ground. Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyeyeskydiving 0 #58 February 3, 2003 QuoteQuote "Reeeelax, people. I personally don't care if Martin is upset that the site is not run to his liking. It's just his opinion". As the guy that said this is the same guy that misrepresented me by claiming I threatened to beat people with a bat, I have to wonder how he can get one statement so right while being so completely wrong about another! Conspiracy do ya think! A simple search for "baseball bat" brought up the thread I was searching for, so I don't think that I misrepresented you. I don't truly foresee you carrying out any of this, but I don't see a point in posting it either, if we are just wanting to discuss a topic. link **************************************************** Gee, it's really just like the rec here after all, someone takes something you say and just posts the bits that proves their point, never mind if it's totally out of context and doesn't even come close to portraying facts or the 'tone' of a conversation/debate! I had to go read the whole thread (well my posts in the thread) just in case I really am the asshole you are making me out to be, rather than just the one I already know I am! I guess you really had to be there, I bet you're a right hoot at party's eh! You say you know me from Z-Hills, did we get along (you obviously don't KNOW me)? Anyway with respect to Sangiro's request I'm not going to clutter up his forum defending myself against bullcrap, I can go do that all I want at recdot! Have a field day! PS This is a smiley face ;-) look out for them, they mean something! BO SS Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ernokaikkonen 0 #59 February 3, 2003 >Personally, I hate the format set-up on the NG!!! It's a >pain-in-the-ass for me. I never even logged on! The formatting depends on the news-reader you use. You don't need to "log on" to use a newsgroup. Unless you have been using the Google-groups interface... I agree; that sucks bigtime(and yes you have to log on to use that). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cameramonkey 0 #60 February 3, 2003 Quote I am just as fed up as many are that recdot has gone the way it has but I prefer the format there (its simple to post and follow) and I'm hanging in hoping that things will improve, though I'm pretty much resigned to the fact they won't as most of those that did add value to it have been driven away by the actions of a few! dont hold your breath. I havent been in the wreck for over 3 years because of the many unrestrained trolls. Based on your scouting report that the signal to noise ratio is still high, I doubt VERY VERY seriously it will EVER improve. The only way it will go away is if they have a wreckdot boogie and (god forbid) several of the planes burn in on takeoff with a select group of jumpers on board. I say god forbid only because it would be a waste of perfectly good jump ships. Just proves that skydivers are like little kids.... cant be left alone without setting something on fire or starting fights. If you still beleive that the wreck will turn around, I have some oceanfront property in colorado I can sell ya. Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #61 February 3, 2003 Quote Quote I am just as fed up as many are that recdot has gone the way it has but I prefer the format there (its simple to post and follow) and I'm hanging in hoping that things will improve, though I'm pretty much resigned to the fact they won't as most of those that did add value to it have been driven away by the actions of a few! dont hold your breath. I havent been in the wreck for over 3 years because of the many unrestrained trolls. Based on your scouting report that the signal to noise ratio is still high, I doubt VERY VERY seriously it will EVER improve. The only way it will go away is if they have a wreckdot boogie and (god forbid) several of the planes burn in on takeoff with a select group of jumpers on board. I say god forbid only because it would be a waste of perfectly good jump ships. Have you tried a killfile? I have 4 people in my recdot killfile and the noise has almost completely disappeared.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cameramonkey 0 #62 February 3, 2003 Quote Have you tried a killfile? I have 4 people in my recdot killfile and the noise has almost completely disappeared. wow... down to only 4 full time trolls? guess that means under my theory we only have to sacrifice a C-182 Actually, I get everything I need here. why go elsewhere?Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RevJim 0 #63 February 11, 2003 I frequent both places, as does Kallend. I enjoy both, to a point. The "Burn in" and "Cessna" comments you just made would get ripped apart over on the rec, as they should be. You are wishing death on fellow skydivers. Bad juju my man, very bad. For some reason, these kind of troll comments are allowed here, but if we were to rip 'em up, like we would over there, the thread may very well be locked, as well as some people may get banned. See the difference now? Same content. Same trolling, fear of retaliation by the moderators keeps it quiet from the rest, while the ones starting it slip right by. Yea, those comments really pissed me off, but I'm keeping this reply civil, hoping you will get the hint. Edit to add: As was stated on dz.com before, puting a smiley after it does NOT make it ok.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cameramonkey 0 #64 February 11, 2003 actually, the difference is that 99% of the conversation is just noise... its more to irritate and inflame, (or to argue about whether something was offensive or not) than to inform. Yes, there IS some info there, but most is lost in amongst the noise. To me, it was just a big annoying talkback forum, with a handful of post whores who did nothing but do thier best to inflame, even when a legitimate question was asked. and I think part of the reason things are tolerated here, is things are taken in context more, and jokes are seen as just that. apparently I didnt offend too many people, since it took someone over a week to comment on how they were offended, demonstrating my point. if this were the wreck, there would have been dozens of posts yelling at me for my sense of humor, with direct attacks on my character. (well restrained reply, BTW)Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RevJim 0 #65 February 11, 2003 Quote apparently I didnt offend too many people, since it took someone over a week to comment on how they were offended, demonstrating my point. if this were the wreck, there would have been dozens of posts yelling at me for my sense of humor, with direct attacks on my character. Actually, I would have replied much earlier, had I seen the post. Like the rec, I don't read each and every thread. I have a bit more of a life. Actually, I saw the title of the thread, and thought to myself "How did I miss this before?" I agree with most of everything that has been said in this thread, from both camps. The lack of replies could also validate my point. Nobody replies for fear of banishment. In truth, it took me a bit to compose that reply, without attacking your character. Besides, you are doing what I want to be doing in the future (your name is a clue), and I feel no need to burn bridges when I'll probably need, and use, help in the future. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #66 February 11, 2003 I thought his comment was funny. I don't think there's anything funny about a plane crash killing people, but it was still funny. I think most of the online assholes are probably nice people in real life. Comparing someone's online personality with their real personality can be comparing apples and oranges (apples are better, by the way). I'd like to see some of the online personalities burn up in a fiery internet plane crash, but I'd never like to see the real people get hurt. In other words, some people need to get offline. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RevJim 0 #67 February 11, 2003 As far as the presonalities being different...man Dave, you have nooooo idea! I consider Treetop one of my best friends. He delivers "Most Excellent Entertainment" quite often, and tries to offend everyone equally. To me, it's Cyber-Funny, kinda like your Cyber-Plane-Crash. I have met many, many people from both here and the rec, and I can say i honestly don't "hate" any of them. I have made a bunch of new, good friends, and I've met a few I'd rather not meet again. Interestingly enough, the ones that tweaked me in person, I thought were rather nice online. The "bastards" online however, I met expecting to meet bastards. In 99% of the cases, I was surprised. Some people need to get off line? Nah, it's just the internet, remember? In other words, some readers need to lighten up. Edit to add: I know I did. I was way to serious. i took everything personally. That's just not me. I'm laid back, relaxed, go with the flow all the time. Once I got back to that, my perspective went back to normal.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sangiro 26 #68 February 11, 2003 QuoteFor some reason, these kind of troll comments are allowed here, but if we were to rip 'em up, like we would over there, the thread may very well be locked, as well as some people may get banned. That's not true. You can rip the comment as much as you want. You can not rip the person. The problem with rec is that most people seem to either have a hard time understanding the difference or ripping the person is OK. I suspect it's the latter. Don't confuse them on here though or pretend that we don't make the distinction. Rip the comment as much as you like. QuoteNobody replies for fear of banishment. How many people do you think have been banned on Dropzone.com? I'd be surprised if Dropzone.com users sit at home thinking: "Ooh, I should keep quiet... I may get banned... that would be the end of the road for me!" I think people don't comment because they buy into the character of the community we're trying to create here. It's a different character from rec. May not be for everyone, but it's the one that I'm betting on to keep good relevant skydiving information coming to the broadest audience for the longest time. I personally think if you can't have a conversation or discussion about the appropriateness of the phrase "burn-in" without resorting to personal attacks that you have bigger things to be worried about in life than whether you get banned here or not.Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RevJim 0 #69 February 11, 2003 QuoteRip the comment as much as you like. Thanks for the clarification, HH. I'll try and remember that in the future. QuoteYou can not rip the person. I understand that, and respect it. QuoteI personally think if you can't have a conversation or discussion about the appropriateness of the phrase "burn-in" without resorting to personal attacks.... OK, here's where I see the line being crossed by me, and why I don't rip the comment. My first question, in my head, is what kind of person would say this about another human being, skydiver or not, troll or not. It was a nasty comment. I can't bring it up again without questioning the reasoning in the mind that posted it in the first place. QuoteHow many people do you think have been banned on Dropzone.com? Very few, I would imagine, if any at all. It doesn't really matter. What matters is the possibility of it is there, and it works. I'm sure many just skimmed the posts anyway, and I hope I'd be right about the human character of those that actually read it. Wishing death on any human by anyone just disgusts me, as I'm sure it disgusts many others. How, may I ask, can I comment on something like that without questioning the persons character? I shouldn't take it personally, but I'm sure a couple of those that were imagined being in those planes going down are friends of mine. That's hitting close to home. Am I to be next? Are there any limits? Death is death. It's permanent, and that sucks. Wishing death on anyone is as personal as you can get. I'm not a moderator. I don't want do act like one, but this kind of comment brings this site down to rec level. Would nobody here take it personally if it was posted on the rec how a few posters here should be on a plane that crashed? Turn the tables, and see how it feels. It's personal. I get plenty sick of the rec too, just like everyone else, I just try and not stoop to the level that this post is rapidly approaching, so, I'm off this one.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sangiro 26 #70 February 11, 2003 Quote My first question, in my head, is what kind of person would say this about another human being, skydiver or not, troll or not. It was a nasty comment. I am certainly not trying to defend the comment. I am simply saying that you'll have to find a way to comment on that without going at the person... As hard as it may be, Dropzone.com will not be a platform for personal attacks. Quote Wishing death on any human by anyone just disgusts me, as I'm sure it disgusts many others. How, may I ask, can I comment on something like that without questioning the persons character? You just did. Quote but this kind of comment brings this site down to rec level. Only if we all jump on the bandwagon and allow ourselves to get dragged down by that individual.Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #71 February 11, 2003 QuoteIt was a nasty comment. I can't bring it up again without questioning the reasoning in the mind that posted it in the first place. There is a great old saying about how to deal with the things that people do, "Hate the sin, not the sinner." In otherwords, tell people what they are doing is wrong and give them a chance to prove they can learn from their mistakes. I believe this is more or less why Sangiro has his policy that anybody can tell anybody else that their comments are f'ed up, but nobody is allowed to tell the individual that they themselves are f'ed up. If somebody is, in the opinion of Sangiro or the moderators, just not getting the point, then escallating levels of action can be taken. Actually, I'd think that a lot of folks would sort of welcome this. It means that Sangiro and the moderators are the "heavies" and nobody else need get involved in the flame wars at all.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cameramonkey 0 #72 February 12, 2003 Quote Edit to add: I know I did. I was way to serious. i took everything personally. That's just not me. I'm laid back, relaxed, go with the flow all the time. Once I got back to that, my perspective went back to normal. sure you havent lapsed back into seriousness? I think the comments were caught perfectly by pilotdave 100%. I stand beside my comment that treetop, peanut and the other full time trolls should go down in flames.... HOWEVER, Bob and Steve (or whatever Peanut and Treetop's real names are in real life) are NOT included in that comment. I wouldnt wish that fate on any PERSON at anytime. I too would rather this not spiral down, so I am out as well. good debate guys. a perfect example of why I stay here, and stay away from the wreck. Each has a different crowd and different atmosphere, and seems to work well together. Blue skiesTwo wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #73 February 13, 2003 Quote The lack of replies could also validate my point. Nobody replies for fear of banishment. In truth, it took me a bit to compose that reply, without attacking your character. I didn't reply because I thought the comments were childish and didn't even warrant the effort to type a response. I have never worried about being banned even though I have had a few heated arguments here. Quote Besides, you are doing what I want to be doing in the future (your name is a clue), and I feel no need to burn bridges when I'll probably need, and use, help in the future. Go for it. 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ernokaikkonen 0 #59 February 3, 2003 >Personally, I hate the format set-up on the NG!!! It's a >pain-in-the-ass for me. I never even logged on! The formatting depends on the news-reader you use. You don't need to "log on" to use a newsgroup. Unless you have been using the Google-groups interface... I agree; that sucks bigtime(and yes you have to log on to use that). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameramonkey 0 #60 February 3, 2003 Quote I am just as fed up as many are that recdot has gone the way it has but I prefer the format there (its simple to post and follow) and I'm hanging in hoping that things will improve, though I'm pretty much resigned to the fact they won't as most of those that did add value to it have been driven away by the actions of a few! dont hold your breath. I havent been in the wreck for over 3 years because of the many unrestrained trolls. Based on your scouting report that the signal to noise ratio is still high, I doubt VERY VERY seriously it will EVER improve. The only way it will go away is if they have a wreckdot boogie and (god forbid) several of the planes burn in on takeoff with a select group of jumpers on board. I say god forbid only because it would be a waste of perfectly good jump ships. Just proves that skydivers are like little kids.... cant be left alone without setting something on fire or starting fights. If you still beleive that the wreck will turn around, I have some oceanfront property in colorado I can sell ya. Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #61 February 3, 2003 Quote Quote I am just as fed up as many are that recdot has gone the way it has but I prefer the format there (its simple to post and follow) and I'm hanging in hoping that things will improve, though I'm pretty much resigned to the fact they won't as most of those that did add value to it have been driven away by the actions of a few! dont hold your breath. I havent been in the wreck for over 3 years because of the many unrestrained trolls. Based on your scouting report that the signal to noise ratio is still high, I doubt VERY VERY seriously it will EVER improve. The only way it will go away is if they have a wreckdot boogie and (god forbid) several of the planes burn in on takeoff with a select group of jumpers on board. I say god forbid only because it would be a waste of perfectly good jump ships. Have you tried a killfile? I have 4 people in my recdot killfile and the noise has almost completely disappeared.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameramonkey 0 #62 February 3, 2003 Quote Have you tried a killfile? I have 4 people in my recdot killfile and the noise has almost completely disappeared. wow... down to only 4 full time trolls? guess that means under my theory we only have to sacrifice a C-182 Actually, I get everything I need here. why go elsewhere?Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #63 February 11, 2003 I frequent both places, as does Kallend. I enjoy both, to a point. The "Burn in" and "Cessna" comments you just made would get ripped apart over on the rec, as they should be. You are wishing death on fellow skydivers. Bad juju my man, very bad. For some reason, these kind of troll comments are allowed here, but if we were to rip 'em up, like we would over there, the thread may very well be locked, as well as some people may get banned. See the difference now? Same content. Same trolling, fear of retaliation by the moderators keeps it quiet from the rest, while the ones starting it slip right by. Yea, those comments really pissed me off, but I'm keeping this reply civil, hoping you will get the hint. Edit to add: As was stated on dz.com before, puting a smiley after it does NOT make it ok.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameramonkey 0 #64 February 11, 2003 actually, the difference is that 99% of the conversation is just noise... its more to irritate and inflame, (or to argue about whether something was offensive or not) than to inform. Yes, there IS some info there, but most is lost in amongst the noise. To me, it was just a big annoying talkback forum, with a handful of post whores who did nothing but do thier best to inflame, even when a legitimate question was asked. and I think part of the reason things are tolerated here, is things are taken in context more, and jokes are seen as just that. apparently I didnt offend too many people, since it took someone over a week to comment on how they were offended, demonstrating my point. if this were the wreck, there would have been dozens of posts yelling at me for my sense of humor, with direct attacks on my character. (well restrained reply, BTW)Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #65 February 11, 2003 Quote apparently I didnt offend too many people, since it took someone over a week to comment on how they were offended, demonstrating my point. if this were the wreck, there would have been dozens of posts yelling at me for my sense of humor, with direct attacks on my character. Actually, I would have replied much earlier, had I seen the post. Like the rec, I don't read each and every thread. I have a bit more of a life. Actually, I saw the title of the thread, and thought to myself "How did I miss this before?" I agree with most of everything that has been said in this thread, from both camps. The lack of replies could also validate my point. Nobody replies for fear of banishment. In truth, it took me a bit to compose that reply, without attacking your character. Besides, you are doing what I want to be doing in the future (your name is a clue), and I feel no need to burn bridges when I'll probably need, and use, help in the future. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #66 February 11, 2003 I thought his comment was funny. I don't think there's anything funny about a plane crash killing people, but it was still funny. I think most of the online assholes are probably nice people in real life. Comparing someone's online personality with their real personality can be comparing apples and oranges (apples are better, by the way). I'd like to see some of the online personalities burn up in a fiery internet plane crash, but I'd never like to see the real people get hurt. In other words, some people need to get offline. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #67 February 11, 2003 As far as the presonalities being different...man Dave, you have nooooo idea! I consider Treetop one of my best friends. He delivers "Most Excellent Entertainment" quite often, and tries to offend everyone equally. To me, it's Cyber-Funny, kinda like your Cyber-Plane-Crash. I have met many, many people from both here and the rec, and I can say i honestly don't "hate" any of them. I have made a bunch of new, good friends, and I've met a few I'd rather not meet again. Interestingly enough, the ones that tweaked me in person, I thought were rather nice online. The "bastards" online however, I met expecting to meet bastards. In 99% of the cases, I was surprised. Some people need to get off line? Nah, it's just the internet, remember? In other words, some readers need to lighten up. Edit to add: I know I did. I was way to serious. i took everything personally. That's just not me. I'm laid back, relaxed, go with the flow all the time. Once I got back to that, my perspective went back to normal.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 26 #68 February 11, 2003 QuoteFor some reason, these kind of troll comments are allowed here, but if we were to rip 'em up, like we would over there, the thread may very well be locked, as well as some people may get banned. That's not true. You can rip the comment as much as you want. You can not rip the person. The problem with rec is that most people seem to either have a hard time understanding the difference or ripping the person is OK. I suspect it's the latter. Don't confuse them on here though or pretend that we don't make the distinction. Rip the comment as much as you like. QuoteNobody replies for fear of banishment. How many people do you think have been banned on Dropzone.com? I'd be surprised if Dropzone.com users sit at home thinking: "Ooh, I should keep quiet... I may get banned... that would be the end of the road for me!" I think people don't comment because they buy into the character of the community we're trying to create here. It's a different character from rec. May not be for everyone, but it's the one that I'm betting on to keep good relevant skydiving information coming to the broadest audience for the longest time. I personally think if you can't have a conversation or discussion about the appropriateness of the phrase "burn-in" without resorting to personal attacks that you have bigger things to be worried about in life than whether you get banned here or not.Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #69 February 11, 2003 QuoteRip the comment as much as you like. Thanks for the clarification, HH. I'll try and remember that in the future. QuoteYou can not rip the person. I understand that, and respect it. QuoteI personally think if you can't have a conversation or discussion about the appropriateness of the phrase "burn-in" without resorting to personal attacks.... OK, here's where I see the line being crossed by me, and why I don't rip the comment. My first question, in my head, is what kind of person would say this about another human being, skydiver or not, troll or not. It was a nasty comment. I can't bring it up again without questioning the reasoning in the mind that posted it in the first place. QuoteHow many people do you think have been banned on Dropzone.com? Very few, I would imagine, if any at all. It doesn't really matter. What matters is the possibility of it is there, and it works. I'm sure many just skimmed the posts anyway, and I hope I'd be right about the human character of those that actually read it. Wishing death on any human by anyone just disgusts me, as I'm sure it disgusts many others. How, may I ask, can I comment on something like that without questioning the persons character? I shouldn't take it personally, but I'm sure a couple of those that were imagined being in those planes going down are friends of mine. That's hitting close to home. Am I to be next? Are there any limits? Death is death. It's permanent, and that sucks. Wishing death on anyone is as personal as you can get. I'm not a moderator. I don't want do act like one, but this kind of comment brings this site down to rec level. Would nobody here take it personally if it was posted on the rec how a few posters here should be on a plane that crashed? Turn the tables, and see how it feels. It's personal. I get plenty sick of the rec too, just like everyone else, I just try and not stoop to the level that this post is rapidly approaching, so, I'm off this one.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 26 #70 February 11, 2003 Quote My first question, in my head, is what kind of person would say this about another human being, skydiver or not, troll or not. It was a nasty comment. I am certainly not trying to defend the comment. I am simply saying that you'll have to find a way to comment on that without going at the person... As hard as it may be, Dropzone.com will not be a platform for personal attacks. Quote Wishing death on any human by anyone just disgusts me, as I'm sure it disgusts many others. How, may I ask, can I comment on something like that without questioning the persons character? You just did. Quote but this kind of comment brings this site down to rec level. Only if we all jump on the bandwagon and allow ourselves to get dragged down by that individual.Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #71 February 11, 2003 QuoteIt was a nasty comment. I can't bring it up again without questioning the reasoning in the mind that posted it in the first place. There is a great old saying about how to deal with the things that people do, "Hate the sin, not the sinner." In otherwords, tell people what they are doing is wrong and give them a chance to prove they can learn from their mistakes. I believe this is more or less why Sangiro has his policy that anybody can tell anybody else that their comments are f'ed up, but nobody is allowed to tell the individual that they themselves are f'ed up. If somebody is, in the opinion of Sangiro or the moderators, just not getting the point, then escallating levels of action can be taken. Actually, I'd think that a lot of folks would sort of welcome this. It means that Sangiro and the moderators are the "heavies" and nobody else need get involved in the flame wars at all.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameramonkey 0 #72 February 12, 2003 Quote Edit to add: I know I did. I was way to serious. i took everything personally. That's just not me. I'm laid back, relaxed, go with the flow all the time. Once I got back to that, my perspective went back to normal. sure you havent lapsed back into seriousness? I think the comments were caught perfectly by pilotdave 100%. I stand beside my comment that treetop, peanut and the other full time trolls should go down in flames.... HOWEVER, Bob and Steve (or whatever Peanut and Treetop's real names are in real life) are NOT included in that comment. I wouldnt wish that fate on any PERSON at anytime. I too would rather this not spiral down, so I am out as well. good debate guys. a perfect example of why I stay here, and stay away from the wreck. Each has a different crowd and different atmosphere, and seems to work well together. Blue skiesTwo wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #73 February 13, 2003 Quote The lack of replies could also validate my point. Nobody replies for fear of banishment. In truth, it took me a bit to compose that reply, without attacking your character. I didn't reply because I thought the comments were childish and didn't even warrant the effort to type a response. I have never worried about being banned even though I have had a few heated arguments here. Quote Besides, you are doing what I want to be doing in the future (your name is a clue), and I feel no need to burn bridges when I'll probably need, and use, help in the future. Go for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
