sandi 0 #1 February 19, 2003 I'm curious, what does it mean to have a restricted license? For example, if someone has impaired night vision, is unable to do night jumps and therefore gets a restricted D. Does this restricted license allow for all other privileges of a D such as competitions and instructor ratings? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #2 February 19, 2003 wow, i didn't even know there was a restricted lecense. i would assume they could do everything else except for what is restricted. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #3 February 19, 2003 Quotewow, i didn't even know there was a restricted lecense. i would assume they could do everything else except for what is restricted. later Which leads to the obvious question... What is the point of the night jumps requirement anyway.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheneyneel 0 #4 February 19, 2003 I dont think that there is any reason to have to do a night jump.. I really dont want to do it!!.. I dont ever see my self really ever going to do one..Why..Fun? I like to see who I am flying with..That is fun!! I dont want to fly my canopy in the dark.. My DZO wont even do them.. I have almost a thousand jumps but I dont see me able to get my D- any time soon especially with day light savings coming up.. As the previous post states: WHy do we have to do night jumps anyways?!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #5 February 19, 2003 QuoteI'm curious, what does it mean to have a restricted license? For example, if someone has impaired night vision, is unable to do night jumps and therefore gets a restricted D. Does this restricted license allow for all other privileges of a D such as competitions and instructor ratings? Sandy, I checked your profile to see if you were talking about the USPA. Do you have a typo on your d license # and what org is APF? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandi 0 #6 February 19, 2003 QuoteSandy, I checked your profile to see if you were talking about the USPA. Do you have a typo on your d license # and what org is APF? Opie I have an Australian D. I started skydiving in Australia and have never really had a need to switch to a USPA license. As I said, I'm just curious. The current SIM states, "Under extreme circumstances, such as physical handicaps, a USPA Restricted license may be issued to applicants who are unable to meet all of the specific license requirements." Just wondering if someone with a restricted license gets the same privileges as someone with a regular license. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #7 February 19, 2003 Cool, just didn't know what the APF stood for, now the other numbers make sense. I thought maybe the restricted thing was from a foreign org. as well. I have never heard of anyone having one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #8 February 19, 2003 QuoteI have never heard of anyone having one. Read your SIM. Also, look up "Coral Degagne". http://www.makeithappen.com/wis/bios/coral.html I know Kallend was trolling, but for those who really don't know why night jumps are necessary for D, one reason is that with a D-license you can do demos other than level 2 or stadium, and those demos could be at night. It would be a good idea to do some night jumps in a lower-pressure environment before doing it as a demo. The alternative is to have two levels of PRO rating and make the night jumps part of that. Then you'll have people whining about another USPA scam to get more money out of jumpers. Personally, I think the "Master Parachutist" title (what it said on the license and membership cards until they went to plastic) is way too easy to get as it is. Peter (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #9 February 19, 2003 Interesting, and certainly glad she is able to enjoy this sport we all love. I didn't mean to imply that no one had a restricted license, just that I hadn't met anyone so I was curious, and still are, how common this is. Kallend trolling, you must be joking Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #10 February 19, 2003 Well, I also know people who have legitimate reasons for not doing night jumps, like additional risk to rebuilt limbs, joints, etc. Night vision problems (they don't drive at night, either, and it says so on their driver's license) might be legitimate. I can think of a few in this category who could have qualified for a D-R, but chose to pencil-whip their applications for a regular D instead. I have no respect for that. I won't sign off on an application that I can't verify is true as completed. IIRC, Coral's licenses are R because she can't do the accuracy by herself. Tough to do when you can't walk. I'm open to other suggestions. I'll sign off on it if I think it's legit, but it probably has to verified by the regional director or director of S&T. Peter (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #11 February 19, 2003 >Does this restricted license allow for all other privileges of a D such >as competitions and instructor ratings? Generally that's decided on a case by case basis depending on the restriction. It's unlikely that Coral would be able to be an AFF-JM, for example, but she might be able to participate in an accuracy competition under certain conditions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #12 February 19, 2003 Quote Quote I have never heard of anyone having one. Read your SIM. Also, look up "Coral Degagne". http://www.makeithappen.com/wis/bios/coral.html I know Kallend was trolling, but for those who really don't know why night jumps are necessary for D, one reason is that with a D-license you can do demos other than level 2 or stadium, and those demos could be at night. It would be a good idea to do some night jumps in a lower-pressure environment before doing it as a demo. The alternative is to have two levels of PRO rating and make the night jumps part of that. Then you'll have people whining about another USPA scam to get more money out of jumpers. Personally, I think the "Master Parachutist" title (what it said on the license and membership cards until they went to plastic) is way too easy to get as it is. Peter Yes, but it no longer says "Master parachutist", times change. Your position sounds good on its face, but is invalid for the following reasons: 1) SIM 2.1.J.1 takes care completely of the hypothetical situation of unqualified jumpers on a night demo. 2) SIM 3.1.F.4.(f) places no operational restrictions on demos by holders of restricted D licenses, and you can get a restricted "D" without night jumps. 3) SIM 7.1.B.4 says that all demo jumps must be evaluated on an individual basis - this is where unqualified jumpers on night demos are filtered out. 4) SIM 7.1.C.1(a) does not exclude restricted "D" license holders from any demos that unrestricted "D" holders can perform, and you can get a restricted "D" without night jumps. 5) SIM 7.1.D.2 states that you should not perform demos above your level of expertise. Yet another place where the unqualified are excluded. 6) SIM 7.1.N.5.a requires the demo organizer to consult an S&TA or I/E about the demo. 7) SIM 7.1.N.5(g)1. requires the S&TA or I/E to advise concerning appropriate personnel for the demo, and 8) SIM 7.1.N.5(i) requires the S&TA or I/E to consider the safe outcome of the jump when making the above recommendations. So the night jump requirement for the "D" provides nothing that existing rules in the SIM don't already provide with respect to demo jumps. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #13 February 19, 2003 QuoteYes, but it no longer says "Master parachutist", times change. We've had this conversation before. It says "Master Parachutist" on my D-card issued in 1997. It says "Master Parachutist" in the 2000 SIM, so it wasn all that long ago. But if it's sematics you're worried about, OK, then "Highest License That USPA Offers Parachutist". Pick a title you like. It's still the highest license USPA offers, and doesn't require proficiency in most of the disciplines in which D-license holders participate. I guess times don't change that much. Peter (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #14 February 19, 2003 QuoteQuoteYes, but it no longer says "Master parachutist", times change. We've had this conversation before. It says "Master Parachutist" on my D-card issued in 1997. It says "Master Parachutist" in the 2000 SIM, so it wasn all that long ago. But if it's sematics you're worried about, OK, then "Highest License That USPA Offers Parachutist". Pick a title you like. It's still the highest license USPA offers, and doesn't require proficiency in most of the disciplines in which D-license holders participate. I guess times don't change that much. Peter You and I can claim to be "master parachutists" 'cos we've got the piece of card that proves it. More recent "D" recipients, well, sucks to be them!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakflyer9999 1 #15 February 20, 2003 ***I have almost a thousand jumps but I dont see me able to get my D- any time soon especially with day light savings coming up..*** All it takes is a sharp pencil to get your night jumps done for the D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
