Unutsch 0 #1 April 26, 2003 i posted the same thing in the Swooping and Canopy Control thread, but i think it wouldn't hurt posting it here too: me and my friends had a long discussion (but couldn't agree in all points) about what happens on ZP HP canopy at a wingloading around 1.5 or more when a stearing line brakes during a fast turn, initiated with the toggle? will the canopy make a even faster turn into the opposite direction or will it just plane out and fly just a bit in the opposite direction (since the side with the stearing line intact would still hold down the tail and increase drag)... i hope i'll get a lot of answers, since my stearing lines are in a very m/bad shape which makes me pretty much SCARED... uh, and i really really hope Stane from AtAir will have the time to change them till May 1st, so that i can jump with no bad feeling for the May 1st 4 day boogie here in Maribor! Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #2 April 26, 2003 Don't you mean STEERING? __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #3 April 26, 2003 uh, damn, you're right... steer - to manuveur or to stear a soup... but hey, there ain't much of a difference in meaning during a hard core spiral, right? Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #4 April 26, 2003 Quote there ain't much of a difference in meaning during a hard core spiral, right Actually there is, if you keep STEARING at the lines instead of STEERING, you'll bounce. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #5 April 26, 2003 If your brake lines are so tight that they are pulling down on your tail in full flight, then you need to fix that. Yes, if your parachute is set up that tight it's going to turn in the opposite direction if you break a steering line. Fix that. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #6 April 26, 2003 Och, c'mon Ivan, Unutsch is Slovenian, how's your grasp of Slovenian grammar these days? Give the man a grammar gimmie.Anyways, Unutsch If I were you I'd lay off the heavy toggle input until you send it in. Your going to jump it the meantime anyways so I won't preach.While your baby is away getting its brake lines replaced, search the forums for "brake line length", there's loads but Billvon says it in this post from may last year.. "Anyway, if you are having trouble with your flare, brake line length is one thing to check. They should not be deflecting the tail at all, and should have at least a little 'bow' in them (the wind should bend them back.) You should be able to pull down at least a little on the toggles without deflecting the tail. Also, keep an eye on brake line twists - they can effectively shorten your brake lines and reduce your flare power. " Its saturday, have a beer guys! -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #7 April 27, 2003 i love zlatorog!!! thx guys for your responses and teaching me some basic grammar Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #8 April 27, 2003 i think we should develop something likle "Beer language" all over the world, which everyone will understand, though we already do Yes it is as nac said, your toggles shouldn't be so tight they would pull the tail of your canopy down. But if you have stearing (it seems like we slovenians don't differ steer from stear) long enough canopy. shouldn't turn in the opposite direction. But why just talk, try it up high in the air (above 1000 feet - 300m) let go of your right toggle, pull left toggle hard (like you do at landing) and then let go of the left toggle too, like the line would break, and observe what the canopy does... I bet a zlatorog beer it will be a snappy turn "George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #9 April 28, 2003 >will the canopy make a even faster turn into the opposite direction . . Even faster? No. If you initiate a hard turn, and the toggle breaks halfway through the turn, it won't turn as hard - the canopy will react as if you released the brake too early. If the steering lines are too short, then there will be a tendency to turn in the opposite direction after the canopy stops turning, but depending on canopy size it should be easy to arrest that with rear risers. At 1.7 (my loading) it's pretty easy to pull the canopy out of a dive and level it with rear risers. >i hope i'll get a lot of answers, since my stearing lines are in a very >m/bad shape which makes me pretty much SCARED . . . Why would you purposely jump gear that has a defect that you know can kill you? That seems like a bad idea. How about fix the canopy first, THEN jump? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #10 April 28, 2003 well, i sent the canopy to Stane today and it should be fixed tomorrow, although the person that is taking it there said, it would hold for quite a time... but still, better safe then sorrow, right? Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #11 April 28, 2003 > but still, better safe then sorrow, right? Exactly! There's always tomorrow to jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #12 April 29, 2003 hehehehehe i just got a call from Stane (the main man at AtAir) who took a look at my steering lines, and guess what, they are A OK!!! PERFECT!!!! NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM!!!!! Damn, i couldn't be more happy!!!!! The thing is, that at the place of them where i thought they were going to brake, there wasn't a "double line" or something like that... i'm not nearly as technical and a physics geek as Stane is so i understood only some 50% of what he was talking about!!! anyway, YIPIAEI!!!!!!! Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
