CrazyIvan 0 #1 May 5, 2003 I found something interesting this past weekend, I put a couple of jumps on this 200ft canopy, and the turns were HARD AS HELL!!!, I felt like a wimp not being able to bring the toggles all the way down to make a sharp turn, and flaring for landing, oh boy, what a pain in the ass....literally. What's the problem?__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYEVOUT 0 #2 May 5, 2003 What kind of canopy was it? I jumped a Sabre 230 this weekend, and it flew like a dream. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #3 May 5, 2003 Start doing pull ups etc - helps with the risers as well ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John4455 0 #4 May 5, 2003 You should try jumping a 400 ft2 tandem canopoy with a 225 lb man hanging in front of you... How do ya like it Johnny? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #5 May 5, 2003 there is nothing wrong with the canopy. it just has hard toggle pressure. no big deal. just jump another canopy. but, there may be something wrong with it if you have jumped this canopy before, and didn't have this problem later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #6 May 5, 2003 Quote there is nothing wrong with the canopy. it just has hard toggle pressure. no big deal. just jump another canopy. Mmmmm...I jumped the same canopy twice and was hard, smaller canopies are harder to steer?? __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #7 May 5, 2003 Quote You should try jumping a 400 ft2 tandem canopoy with a 225 lb man hanging in front of you... Well let me tell you, when I did my first tandem (long time ago) the TM let me steer, he was kinda 'hefty' plus my weight, and the toggles were easy...I'm baffled. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 May 5, 2003 Some tandem mains are semielliptical which makes steering very easy. Some canopy designs have hard toggle input, others have hard front riser input others have increased rear riser input force. Best thing to do is to hit a gym or do CRW. If after 5 CRW jumps if you can lift your arms above your head your not doing something right.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #9 May 5, 2003 QuoteSome tandem mains are semielliptical which makes steering very easy. Some canopy designs have hard toggle input, others have hard front riser input others have increased rear riser input force. Best thing to do is to hit a gym or do CRW. If after 5 CRW jumps if you can lift your arms above your head your not doing something right. Hey...cool info. thanks__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #10 May 5, 2003 You got me, man. Last weekend I did 3 jumps back to back on 3 different canopies which gave me a great basis for comparison. The sabre 190 main has medium-hard pressure. I have to do basically a one armed pullup on the toggles to get it to spiral. Next was a 218 reserve. I was a bit busy on that flight but it had very easy toggle pressure. After that was a borrowed student rig with a skymaster 230 in it which had toggle pressure so easy and light it was ridiculous. Granted it was like flying a school bus with zero performance and cornering, but easy to fly. This is giving me the impression that when I get down to a 150 it'll be a hard pull to make it corner....bigger the canopy/easier the toggle pull? Just my impression....limited experience means I could be wildly wrong about other canopies. my .02$Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #11 May 5, 2003 QuoteThis is giving me the impression that when I get down to a 150 it'll be a hard pull to make it corner....bigger the canopy/easier the toggle pull? Just my impression... That's also my question, I'm getting soon a Sabre2 150, and I'm wondering if I'm gonna have the same issue. I might ask my rigger to get me a 150 DEMO and jump it and see what happens.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #12 May 5, 2003 QuoteI might ask my rigger to get me a 150 DEMO and jump it and see what happens. you should do this anyway, weather to find out about the toggle pressure or not. you should try everything in that range of canopy's before buying it. you never know, you may hate the sabre 2, but love the safire 2, or the pilot (from aerodyne, which has been getting review that people like it better than the sabre 2) later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #13 May 5, 2003 I Just hope you demoed the sabre 2 150 before buying it. similarly hope you've jumped something in it's size range in advance before purchase. not every canopy is for everyone, like skygod said, and it's a lot of money to spend "blindly." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #14 May 5, 2003 Quote You should try jumping a 400 ft2 tandem canopoy with a 225 lb man hanging in front of you... Wussy. Try jumping a 500 sq ft F111 tandem canopy with a 100 lb girl hanging in front of you... Can you say "it's gonna take all three of us to flare this biatch?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
