Shark 0 #26 May 19, 2003 QuoteAnd my opinion is that in skydiving we do not need heroes but cool minded well traind people with great respect towards to the disciplines and safety. Zoltan, I'm not sure you get it. Nobody wants to be a hero, it's just that we want to do the right thing. Why do people run into burning buildings to save a stranger? Personally, I will chase until 2000', regardless of who it is. I also believe you would have a better understanding if you were an AFF instructor. These students bond with you in the FJC. They are also entrusting us with their lives. As much as I try to make the students feel relaxed on a level 1, you can see the fear in their faces on the ride to altitude. Your attitude can ensure confidence in them and have a safer skydive. Even while under canopy I try to have a calm voice and always encourage them on the radio. It is our responsibility. How would you feel if doctors gave up on their patients too easily? Let's not be to critical of someone who did the right thing. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoltan 0 #27 May 19, 2003 > Why do people run into burning buildings to save a stranger? Because that is their job, because they do it according to their treinings and because the strangers in the house do not have ASD (Automatic Smother Device) I think this fireman analog is not correct. > How would you feel if doctors gave up on their patients too easily? Again incorrect analog... The student in this issue had a properly functioning AAD!!! >Let's not be to critical of someone who did the right thing You mean that in your opinion it is right to go under 2000 feet without AAD and chasing a student who actually has an AAD and pulling her main at about 800 feet? z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markbaur 0 #28 May 19, 2003 Quote. I also believe you would have a better understanding if you were an AFF instructor. I am, and have been since 1983. I agree with Zoltan. Mr. Bonadies' heart was in the right place, but his actions put his student's life in greater danger, not less. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relyon 0 #29 May 19, 2003 QuoteIt was short Bob...may I ask you, what do you say to a student who asks you about this tragedy? z I'd tell them the instructor made a critical mistake, paid the ultimate price for it, and that they should learn something from it: PULL! Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #30 May 19, 2003 Quote> Why do people run into burning buildings to save a stranger? Because that is their job, because they do it according to their treinings and because the strangers in the house do not have ASD (Automatic Smother Device) I think this fireman analog is not correct. > How would you feel if doctors gave up on their patients too easily? Again incorrect analog... The student in this issue had a properly functioning AAD!!! >Let's not be to critical of someone who did the right thing You mean that in your opinion it is right to go under 2000 feet without AAD and chasing a student who actually has an AAD and pulling her main at about 800 feet? z First, who said that the people running into the building were firemen? Second, was the student AAD the issue or was it the decision of the instructor? You seem to be flaming the instuctor. And re-read my post. I'll have an open container at 2000. BTW, who said my opinion was right? We can debate this all day. Throw flames at me if you want. Out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoltan 0 #31 May 20, 2003 "Let's not be to critical of someone who did the right thing." You wrote this. I understood it so that by your opinion the instructor made the right thing. Maybe my english is not good enough. And once again, I'm not flaming.. neither you nor the instructor. I just pointed out few things and by my opinion he was not a hero... "was the student AAD the issue or was it the decision of the instructor?" The judgement of the instructor's decision depends on the fact if the Student had or di dnot have AAD. She had and that made the decision very bad. I hope you understand that I'm not thowing flames at all... z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #32 May 29, 2003 Tom, I agree, yes he was wrong, and if you read my post I state a mistake was made. However, even you inidicated that in that situation you do not know what you would do. Simply stated, unless you have been there you don't know. You can only "train" for the situation. If you chase a student below 2000 and succeed you are no more right than this one, just lucky. Will I go there? NO. I will trust training and technology. Go back and read my post. We know, don't we? Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
