spencer 0 #1 June 22, 2003 I saw a video clip on this site acouple of days ago with what must have been a student spinning badly belly up and down and the jm pulling low + having two canopys out and landing into trees, can't seem to find it again, does anyone know where it's gone. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #2 June 22, 2003 I seem to recall it was the JM who landed out with two out, is that the same video your on about ? -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #3 June 22, 2003 This is probably the video you're looking for... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #4 June 22, 2003 *Note to self* Read the post above you before replying...doh. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #5 June 22, 2003 holy crap I about shit my pants watching that video. Why the hell did the instructor wait so long to pull? --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #6 June 22, 2003 Quoteholy crap I about shit my pants watching that video. Why the hell did the instructor wait so long to pull? He got too fixated on trying to save his student. It's killed more than one JM / instructor.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #7 June 22, 2003 What software do I need to play the video? Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigM 2 #8 June 22, 2003 I am assuming since the video is being made available that both lived. When and where did the jump take place? I would have to guess that this was a level 4 jump??? Were either injured more than bumps and bruises? This video should be shown to all AFF instructors as a refresher. It gives us all things to think about. Blue 111- Jeff "When I die, I want to go like my grandmother, who died peacefully in her sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in her car." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #9 June 22, 2003 QuoteWhat software do I need to play the video? This one__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #10 June 23, 2003 2 out - not nice. Nice to see both Cypres' fired. CJP CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #11 June 23, 2003 Jerry, Thank you for sharing this video. But could you answer the questions about the fate of these jumpers and where it took place? THanks again...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #12 June 23, 2003 Just looking at your picture scares me............... I have Quick Time however it does not recognize the file for some reason. Any suggestions?? Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #13 June 23, 2003 Oh my fucking word...damned scary stuff.... JE, maybe downloading the updates? That helped me. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #14 June 23, 2003 Juan- I'm sorry, but I don't know the exact circumstances of this incident. I just posted a link that was (I think) originally posted in this thread. I found the frame-by-frame comments here, but they're in French, my knowledge of which is practically nill. The following translation is from Google with a couple of obvious mistakes corrected; QuoteThe action occurs during the season 2002 to Mimizan. A practitioner presents himself with his friend at O.J.B. parachuting. She will make an CAP, suits him to make her jump of recovery after two years ḏinactivity. It adds up an about sixty jumps and it begin with a traditional progression. After having telephoned the center on which it carried out its last jumps, the monitors decide to make him follow complete formation P.A.C. theoretical and to make him carry out a first jump with only one monitor, according to the program of level 2. It's this jump that we present here in images, they come from the embarked camera of the monitor which is Marc Henriot. Images 1 to 3: 4 000 meters height. The exit s’effectue in solo face engine with forward roll and stabilization. This first exercise is successful. Image 4: Stabilization vis-a-vis the monitor and the reading altimeter do not pose a problem, apart from some "blows of nozzle". Images 5 to 7: The monitor then decides to approach for the third and to correct it so d’être certain that the student smells its handle well. The fourth and last pilot handle are correct. Image 8: The student is tended still a little, but that goes. It controls well its altitude which is 1 800 meters, the end of the jump approaches. Images 9 and 10: Abruptly, for an unspecified reason. the student leaves in gimlet. It is décambré and tended legs, that does not require qu’à to turn. Even by peeling it video with the idle with the monitor, it is difficult to find an explanation to this setting in brutal gimlet. One can just note that that leaves violently on an autorotation and that the direction of this one does not even correspond within the meaning of reading of ḻaltimeter. Comments of the monitor: "At this time, it pète leads for an unspecified reason and it leaves in gimlet. I m’y did not wait, with this height and with quelqu’un of 65 jumps, there was what to be surprised d’autant until the beginning of the jump s’était quite last ". Images 11 to 17: The first part of the gimlet will last 14 seconds during which the monitor will try to d’intervenir. "C’était a good gauge, it was necessary to return inside to the risk to hurt itself!" Images 18 and 19: First once, the monitor catches the student, but it slips to him so much with the hands rotation is violent. Images 21 to 23: The blocking of this one s’opère on the arm which makes pivot and starts a loop postpones l’élève. Not easy d’atteindre the hand-deploy under these conditions! Images 24 to 27: The monitor tries to stabilize its pupil, but in vain, c’est the brawl. With the video, there is even l’impression that l’élève pushes back its monitor which releases hold. Image 28: That sets out again in the other direction and on the back, during a short moment. Images 29 and 30: Whereas the ground approaches, the situation is calmed finally. The student takes a grouped and stable position. The monitor profits from it for l’attraper by the foot in order to be able to open itself the principal parachute. Image 31: But the student is faster and it leaves itself ḻextractor, after 1 minute and 15 seconds of fall. Image 32: Reassured (finally, if one can say...!), the monitor releases its catch to be able s’occuper of its own opening because the ground is very close. The height is estimated at 300 meters... Image 33: But there, amazement: the student guard ḻextractor with the hand, it does not release it! Image 34: It is in any event to try anything too late, d’ailleurs both Cypres entered in action: that of the monitor at the same time as the opening of its principal sail and that of l’élève in "dry" help. To note that release d’un Cypres school is programmed with 225 meters of final speed, as for expert Cypres. Image 35: L’aérodrome de Mimizan is surrounded by pines. It's almost a luck for the student because its reserve is twisted and the trees will slow down its fall. It will be recovered with the closed principal bag and an ankle sprain. Image 36: The monitor is found under two quite open veils but with well little room for manoeuvre. Image 37: There is a road not very far, but it's not accessible. Images 38 to 41: C’est thus l’atterrissage ensured in the pines. The monitor tries to aim at a kind of small clearing and to be slowed down to the maximum in the branches. Image 42: is the reserve of the student. Image 43: The monitor is found blocked well high in the trees and must await qu’on comes to leave it from there with the adequate material. He's not wounded, but its sail of help is damaged. It is always easy to comment on and d’analyser a video d’incident, sitted in an armchair in front of the television. L’expérience and the capacity of the monitor is not to blame in this case here. But the circumstances can be studied. L’enchaînement of jumps P.A.C. and tandem during a meeting can modify the behaviors and to sometimes even be trapping. The monitor entrusted qu’il to us "doublait"(*) this jump P.A.C. right after a tandem, it thus had a a little broad combination. That l’a not helped vis-a-vis this significant gauge. Another detail which can have its importance: l’élève had carried out a first traditional formation. It thus did not n’avait l’habitude to see the monitor at its sides, in fall. What can explain the fact qu’il pushes back it, perhaps unconsciously, and to suppose qu’il really l’ait pushed back. We don't have the possibility of collecting the comments of the student, in fact it did not returned with the ground during the weeks which followed the jump. Obviously, d’après the remarks qu’il held immediately after l’atterrissage, it has not given an account of l’incident during the fall. If the departure in gimlet can be still included/understood, the blocking of the gesture to release hand-deploy remains a mystery: it knows qu’il must open puisqu’il made the gesture and that the ground goes up to him to the figure. Was it afraid to release its principal extractor, knowing that the release was going soon to implement the help? An excess of clearness a little surprising after what had just occurred... Did it simply forget qu’il was necessary to release this extractor, him which had carried out its first jumps out of low handle? Still a detail which can have its importance. As always in our heading Direct Live, all is well which finishes well. However, it is necessary to insist once more on gravity that a double Cypres release represents. It is clear that in this case, the release saved at least a life. In a more general context, and while l’emport d’un safety appliance has become obligatory for a few days, c’est-with-statement since the beginning of this year, it becomes significant to take care that mentalities evolve/move in the good direction. The release of safety should not become a "assistant" with the safety on which one would rest comfortably by noting his effectiveness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #15 June 23, 2003 Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #16 June 23, 2003 No luck. I seem to be unable to download the file. I simply get a purple page with a picture icon. When I download I'm getting the html. Help?? Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
