freakydiver 0 #26 June 23, 2003 "By the idiot TSA agent who doesn't know what a parachute is pulling on things he shouldn't be pulling on!!!" I'd personally rather see the idiot too inquisitive about something than not enough. Period. Maybe it will save my ass from the next 911. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #27 June 23, 2003 Good email...but might have not wanted to include this part: QuoteThey are spring loaded, and frequently break jaw-bones of curious individuals. Parachutes frequently open with over 75 pounds of force. Sounds like something that I'd ban from the airplane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #28 June 23, 2003 Just to add to your point. A week back I travelled out of Newark airport on a higly reputed airline ( not to mention names ). I was issued a boarding pass with a wrong first name on it. I noticed it a bit late and not wanting to go through the hassel of having it corrected I decided to see how far I could go with it before someone noticed it. At the point where you enter the shoot my boarding card showed me as not having checked in. They took me aside and checked me in based on my last name. Inside the plane I seemed to have been double booked so they took my boarding pass again and made a correction the seat. 10 min before take off someone came to my seat with a walky talky and checked my boarding pass again. The seat allocation confirmed me to be the one on it but once again not checked in, so they checked me in for the third time. In all this process no one paid heed to the fact that the first name on boarding pass was not the same as the name of the person ( me ) carrying the pass. As for TSA, well, inspite of having me do the remove your shoes routine and making me empty my bags and running everything through the X-ray, they could not find a pair of steel scissors in my shaving kit that they hand checked after the X-ray. To make a long story short, after 3 check ins, 2 X-rays and being hand searched, I was on a plane with a sharp metallic scissor and a wrong name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,095 #29 June 23, 2003 >The fact that airliners aren't still crashing into buildings says >something about the program. Airliners didn't crash into buildings in the US from 1960-2000; does that mean that security was excellent during that whole time? If so, why don't we just go back to that type of security and save a whole lot of money? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,095 #30 June 23, 2003 >Maybe it will save my ass from the next 911. 9/11 was pulled off by people who used boxcutters. The screening today still won't reliably find boxcutters, so the "inquisitive idiot" you refer to won't help prevent you from being part of another 9/11. On the other hand, the one reason 9/11 won't likely happen again here in the US is that passengers won't let it. It only took an hour for Todd Beamer and company realize that the rules had changed - and to act on the new rules. A terrorist on a domestic flight nowadays is going to meet more than token resistance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #31 June 23, 2003 I find it hard to believe that any libertarian could tolerate that. You're putting alot of words in my mouth, please don't tell me what I think or believe. I wish that everyone could get on a plane with just a hug a lei but it's a different world now. Could TSA do a better job? Of course they could, but we can't just do nothing. There have to be some kind of security measures, we've already learned that the honor system doesn't work. What do you think we should do at airports instead of screening passengers and luggage? Please be specific. Jump nice John John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #32 June 24, 2003 QuoteSounds like something that I'd ban from the airplane. Nope, that's not their decision. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #33 June 29, 2003 QuoteWhat the TSA website should say: Making travel plans? Well, if you're going to be flying commercially, just make sure to leave those constitutional rights at the door. You see, because you're flying on an airplane, we're going to assume that you're a criminal. Our process is random, so we really have no reason to search you or your belongings, but we'll do it anyway. Those big fancy letters that say "TSA" on our uniforms means that we are more powerful than the constitution itself. Happy traveling, and enjoying our carefully constructed illusion of safety. Don't forget the part about, "we can have the Air Force shoot down your plane". That's the part that always makes me feel safest. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #34 June 29, 2003 9/11 was pulled off by people who used boxcutters. 9/11 was pulled off by lazy airline ticket agents who sold one way tickets for cash to 19 people who were obvious foreigners. Even before 9/11, cash and one way tickets, and especially the two together were supposed to have been a "profile" indicator that something was up, be it drugs or terrorists. This is why we're not any safer, we're just being harassed in newer and stupider ways. Terrorists are unfortunately very smart and creative people. They're able to think their way around the bullshit, while you're busy getting a rectal exam because your name is David Nelson. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
