Are military static line considered jumps?

[StevePhelps 0]

The regs from the SIM say a skydive is:

SKYDIVE: 1. n. The descent of a person to the surface from an aircraft in flight when he or she uses or intends to use a parachute during all or part of that descent. 2. v. To jump form an aircraft with a parachute.

So do our military static line jumps count towards our total jumps. If not, why? (show me in the USPA's SIM)

[Zenister 0]

i was told (during AFF by the ST&A while we were talking about military experiences) that they counted as 'jumps', but there are also freefall requirements for most licenses/ratings that have to be met and they dont help much (at all) for those...

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[Ron 10]

SIM

Section 3.1

B. General conditions for licenses
4. License qualifications made during military training jumps may be properly recorded on the application for that USPA license and verified by the appropriate USPA official.

However,

Section 3.1
C. Logging jumps for licenses and ratings

1. Skydives offered as evidence of qualification must have been:

a. made in accordance with the USPA requirements in effect at the time of the jump

That being said.

Static line would be No. HALO may be depending.

Now thats for the USPA.

I personally count them.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[mjosparky 4]

They count as jumps but like civilian static line jumps there is no freefall to count towards total FF time.
Sparky

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[AndyMan 7]

It depends who's asking - and why.

If, for example, you're trying to get into WFFC, they do not. WFFC requires 50 jumps that are not static line or tandem, I belive. If you're going for a USPA licence, they do count.

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[Tonto 1]

They don't count here.

Operational jumps with kit at night from 400 ft have little bearing on sport skydiving.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[Amazon 7]

I would think if a parachute is used it counts as a jump...although some of the purists might wanna argue that a static line is not a jump( just like they argued that a woman who is a paraplegic isn't really a skydiver because she did a tandem). USPA counted mine when I was working on getting my D license..... otherwise.. what are you gonna do..... have Gunney Hartman "miracle your ass" down to the ground?
Give us all a break guys.. its a parachute.. you left an airplane, helicopter, or balloon.. or for the base peeps a cliff, tower, building... its a jump.. period.

Amazon

[slotperfect 7]

IMHO, they "count" as jumps in the big scheme of things, but are not really applicable to USPA student progression or license requirements.

Speaking for myself, I tell people I have been jumping out of airplanes for 19 years. True statement, counting the first 4 years of nothing but military static line jumps.

In my "skydiving" logbook, I do not count those jumps. I have them logged separately. They are, after all, quite a different animal.

Arrive Safely

John

[StevePhelps 0]

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They don't count here.

Operational jumps with kit at night from 400 ft have little bearing on sport skydiving.

t

I see your OPINION, (no SIM to back it up) but if I read the SIM right, they DO count in the number of total jumps. Yes, I know they don't count toward freefall time, duh. But as I read the other's posts and I as I understand the SIM, they DO count in a skydiver's TOTAL jumps.

[StevePhelps 0]

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SIM

However,

Section 3.1
C. Logging jumps for licenses and ratings

1. Skydives offered as evidence of qualification must have been:

a. made in accordance with the USPA requirements in effect at the time of the jump

That being said.

Static line would be No. HALO may be depending.

Now thats for the USPA.

I personally count them.

Help me out here. What part of military jumps would not be not in requirements to the USPA?

[Ron 10]

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I see your OPINION, (no SIM to back it up) but if I read the SIM right, they DO count in the number of total
jumps. Yes, I know they don't count toward freefall time, duh. But as I read the other's posts and I as I
understand the SIM, they DO count in a skydiver's TOTAL jumps.

According to the USPA...S/L military jumps DO NOT COUNT. A loggable jump has to be in accordance with the BSR's.

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Section 3.1
C. Logging jumps for licenses and ratings

1. Skydives offered as evidence of qualification must have been:

a. made in accordance with the USPA requirements in effect at the time of the jump

An 800 foot exit is NOT in accordance with the BSR's.
There is no AAD, or RSL. The Jumpmaster most likely is not USPA rated...ect, ect.

So no, the USPA DOES NOT count Military SL jumps....
Now I have 34 military jumps...They are in my logbook.

USPA is not God. Count the jumps. Just don't count them for a license or award. (Or do..I don't care).

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[StevePhelps 0]

Thanks for the input -- you helped me clarify the issue. I don't need the 44 militray jumps I had, but I was wondering if I should include them in my number.

Blue ones!

[Ron 10]

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Thanks for the input -- you helped me clarify the issue. I don't need the 44 militray jumps I had, but I was
wondering if I should include them in my number.

I would, and do count them....You left an aircraft in flight. Used a parachute to survive. I count them.

However USPA does not.

The only time this becomes an issue in my book is before you have the "D" license...I would not count them for license #'s...But I would count them for awards.

All of this is my opinion...USPA says no.
But do you keep a logbook for the USPA, or yourself?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Tonto 1]

I'm in SA. We don't run a USPA sim.

t

It's the year of the Pig.