Designer 0 #1 October 27, 2003 Ya Know,it never stops to amaze me when a student tries to defend a bad landing!O.K.,she flew out of the traffic zone.Good Idea.Better if you also remember to turn into the wind before you land!I gave her the Stupid and tough routine.She had plenty of altitude to turn back into the wind.Watched another student land the "Beer Zone".Rob gonna have to hold a class? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #2 October 27, 2003 Wow, I actually had to check your location to make sure you weren't talking about me! Phew. The only thing is, I rarely try to defend myself (except after a downwinder this weekend). Anyway, just upsize her canopy, and she'll shape up real quick (like me)! Blue Skies, Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #3 October 28, 2003 QuoteShe had plenty of altitude to turn back into the wind. Did she think otherwise? Maybe next time she wont and think she does... Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #4 October 28, 2003 Not everyone is as switched on as you may like. Some people have a harder time organising all the info required when starting out in new endevours. If she knows she could have done it better and someone lets her know how to do it better next time, then great. If she refuses to accept asistance from you, find someone else to offer her help. If she refuses any help tell her to smack in somewhere elseYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #5 October 28, 2003 Are you talking about a specific incident? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #6 October 28, 2003 Its called "self-serving Assumption (or Bias)." And, is a natural cognitive defense mechanism. We all do it and we've all seen it. If I did it well, I take the credit for doing everything right. If it didn't go well, we look for other factors that prevented us from doing it well and... well, they of course are to blame, not us. Its natural and our communication approach can be a factor in their recognizing what they should have done. Instead of telling them what they did wrong, simply ask them, "How could you have done that better?" or "How will you prevent that from happening next time?" or "If you could tell me three things you would have done differently on landing, what would they be?" Something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luna 0 #7 October 28, 2003 Yeah, he is. Student with roughly 10 jumps, off radio and "off AFF" was doing hop & pops (low clouds, so everyone was). This was her first time in real traffic, because normally students are out last and open high. First jump she scares the crap out of everyone when she is ahead of her pattern, so she decides to bleed altitude by doing a (braked) 360+ at under 500 feet, first turning to head straight toward another canopy, then straight at the taxiing plane, quite close to it. She gets talked to by several people, including the S&TA and at least 2 instructors. 2nd jump she decides that in order to not make everyone yell at her anymore, she will not shoot for the main landing area, but a secondary area just off from it. While that would have been fine, for some reason when she landed there she never turned into the wind, just landed crosswind, and then "face-planted." She said she thought she was going to stand it up (for the first time), but just went on over instead. She was uninjured, just embarassed. She got another several talks after this. I'm walking a marathon to raise money for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Click Here for more information! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
