JustRelax 0 #1 October 23, 2003 I've tried it both ways. I've openned my parachute done my control checks and then put away my rip cord. Ive also I've openned my parachute, turned into wind, put away my rip cord, then done my control checks. Which way or other way is best, do you think? ________________________________________ Taking risk is part of living well - it's best to learn from other peoples mistakes, rather than your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #2 October 23, 2003 I've seen someone tell you this in a post before, but dude, just relax Go with the one you're comortable with. I used to pull, control check, stuff the cord and head for the DZ. Safe skies PJ Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #3 October 23, 2003 whatever is fine. just be ready to ditch the thing if there's a canopy coming your way or if you have any canopy problems. your more expensive than a bit of teflon and a woggle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #4 October 23, 2003 Just put it in your mouth (but don't bite it with your teeth!!!!)JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 October 23, 2003 yeah biteing it will damage it and can cause a total mal... very important that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 October 23, 2003 Get rid of it for good and switch to a throw out.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #7 October 23, 2003 QuoteGet rid of it for good and switch to a throw out. fo' realz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 October 23, 2003 If you bite the ripcord near the handle, you do not need to worry about tooth marks causing hard pulls. Far better to tell your DZO that main ripcords are old-school and that he would be wise to follow the example of Canadian DZs that started converting to throw-outs for students in 1979. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #9 October 23, 2003 >>Just put it in your mouth (but don't bite it with your teeth!!!!) << Sage advice for a variety of situations. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottjaco 0 #10 October 23, 2003 I'm not quite sure I agree with the throw-outs for students. I started on ripcord rigs. I notice that Perris has their students on throwouts. When I was a student, I liked having the handle right there on my chest. I didn't have to balance myself with my left hand as much to stay stable on deployment. When you reach back behind your container, you can't see the handle, and as a student you may go into a barrel roll or spin out! I did a hand deploy transition at jump 14. It involved 2 jumps...1 w/ ripcord rig while doing practice touches while maintaining heading control.....then the 2nd jump with a real hand deploy.....doing practice touches and actually pulling while staying stable. If you couldn't stay stable...you had to go back and do more solos w/ ripcord rigs. I know jumpmasters that will not teach students on hand deploy because they go unstable and pitch out sideways and the pilot chute doesn't catch air. My rig is BOC hand deploy as you might guess.... when I made the switch, I never wanted to go back! Obviosly the openings are quicker (no delay for the pilot chute to catch air) but for a student who is unstable...a spring loaded pilot chute is going to do a better job of catching air even though it's not quite as swift as hand deploy. scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #11 October 23, 2003 >When I was a student, I liked having the handle right there on my chest. I don't think anyone in the US still uses chest-mount ripcords. >When you reach back behind your container, you can't see the >handle, and as a student you may go into a barrel roll or spin out! I think the opposite is true. When you are trying to SEE the handle, you can go into a front loop or barrel roll. When you keep your eyes on the horizon there is less chance of that. Also, don't confuse ripcord location with deployment system. I made my first jump on an ROL throwout PC that you can see. In San Diego a few years back, we switched from hip mounted ripcords to BOC ripcords - and they worked a lot better. >I know jumpmasters that will not teach students on hand deploy > because they go unstable and pitch out sideways and the pilot chute > doesn't catch air. ?? In AFF? Not much difference between a BOC ripcord and a BOC throwout, other than the problem they have if they hang on to the PC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #12 October 23, 2003 Quote I know jumpmasters that will not teach students on hand deploy because they go unstable and pitch out sideways and the pilot chute doesn't catch air. That's why we did lots of practice touches in AFF. I never went completely unstable, just turned a little off of my heading. And if you, Scott, had to do practive touches when you moved from a ripcord to BOC deployment anyway, why not just start off that way? Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #13 October 23, 2003 QuoteI don't think anyone in the US still uses chest-mount ripcords. I was the last student trained on chest mounted ripcords at the backwards little Cessna DZ I learned at. And that was back in 1990. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottjaco 0 #14 October 23, 2003 I don't think anyone in the US still uses chest-mount ripcords. *** Yes, they were chest mounts. I didn't know about the BOC ripcords until I went to Elsinore for the first time.... It was funny...I was wondering why I saw the BOC pud but no bulge (pilot chute) in the BOC pouch. Someone explained that it was actually a rip cord! Air Adventures West in Taft,CA uses the Chest Mounted ripcords...they are currently operating out of Cal City. I think they are old Javlin Student Containers. If the new ripcord rigs are positioned the same way as the BOC throwouts, then you are right, it wouldn't make that big of a difference as far as staying stable. scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #15 October 24, 2003 QuoteI'm not quite sure I agree with the throw-outs for students. ***I don't understand why anyone would want to train students on anything but the gear they will be using in the real world. Why Train a student one way, and then make them learn something else. " OK, here's the ripcord, which by the way has nothing to do with what you will be jumping in a few jumps!"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nullified 0 #16 October 24, 2003 ***I'm not quite sure I agree with the throw-outs for students.Quote In my opinion and from my experience, I think it's best to teach students on the gear most like what they'll be jumping when off student status. After several jumps reaching 'here' for something, why would you want to then suddenly make them reach 'there' for it? About midway through my AFF, I got sick of being grounded because of wind. I decided to do a Tandem just to get back in the air. At pull time, I reached back and grabbed the golf ball and tried with all my might to throw it out perpendicularly to my body. After a few seconds I managed to deploy it, but they're designed to pulled towards your head (At least the tandem equipment we have is), and didn't take well to being yanked in a direction away from my body. When you become more experienced, different gear becomes a bit less of an issue, but when you're learning and very low time, I believe it's detrimental to make such a signifigant change as deploying from your chest to deploying from above your ass. Keeping things consistent is important and safe. Later. If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #17 October 24, 2003 I use to put around my left wrist and put it into my jumpsuite when I had time: canopy fine, no traffic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Erroll 80 #18 October 24, 2003 Quote>>Just put it in your mouth (but don't bite it with your teeth!!!!) << Sage advice for a variety of situations. Especially against the background of having "tried it both ways"....... But seriously, given the fact that he has ripcord now (hence the question), debating the pro's & con's of having a ripcord is kinda off-topic. You can see very quickly after deployment whether you should chuck the ripcord or stow it. Collapsed end-cells and line twists on a big student canopy are seldom 'life threatening' and stowing the ripcord first should not present problems. A stuck slider, spinning, approaching canopy etc might suggest that you chuck it and address the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaaska 0 #19 October 24, 2003 Just a week ago the upper winds were "kind of" strong. I was watching with an Instructor as a student deployed not too far away, on the upper wind side (he had either tracked towards the LZ or was carried in FF by the upper winds.) He was around 3500f with a good canopy, facing downwind. Couple of S/L students had already landed (student canopies didn't penetrate the wind at all, they were coming down like with an elevator) and they did just fine since they turned upwind right away. Anyway, as we were watching and chanting: "Turn the canopy, turn the canopy... Om... Om... Turn the canopy", this guy headed 15-30s downwind and when he finally turned the canopy, he was waaaayyy on the downwind side... He landed a mile off (fortunately he didn't try to get to the LZ, but landed on a field further downwind - in between there is just woods) w/o problems and was later picked up by one of the guys from the DZ. When we asked: "What did he do that for?" He said: "Oh, I was putting my rip cord away and had some problems with it - after that I had already passed the LZ..." Practice turning with your risers - do that first (of course if the canopy is flying and all), put away your ripcord, release your brakes etc.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JustRelax 0 #20 October 26, 2003 yeah, Ive done that too - floated off downwind while putting the rip cord away. That disorientated me so that I did a downwind landing thinking it was into wind. Was 2 solos after my AFF. Now I try and remember to turn into wind before putting it away. ________________________________________ Taking risk is part of living well - it's best to learn from other peoples mistakes, rather than your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcords 0 #21 October 28, 2003 Actually, since we switched to BOC hand deploy pilot chutes at our dz, we saw a reduction in loss of control or stability at pull time. We believe that this is because of the elimination of the look portion of the sequence. Which students often accompany with a dearch despite training otherwise. Also, the less transition a student has to go through the better. Let them learn it properly from the beginning. We would not go back to ripcords on students if you paid us. But since you are stuck with a ripcord for right now, do whatever is quicker, so that you can concentrate on the task at hand... canopy control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #22 October 28, 2003 Quote Which way or other way is best, do you think? Throw it as soon as you pull! That way the Instructors always have some beer that you bought for throwing your handle Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #23 October 28, 2003 We went to BOC on all of our student rigs nearly five years ago and have had MUCH fewer instances of instability during the pull sequence. Eliminating "look" from the sequence really, really helps. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #24 October 28, 2003 QuoteWe went to BOC on all of our student rigs nearly five years ago and have had MUCH fewer instances of instability during the pull sequence. Eliminating "look" from the sequence really, really helps. I totaly agree. I have used the BOC for years now on students and find thats its much easier for them to find there then on the hip using a rip cord and a spring loaded pilot chute. The packers liked the change too! They didnt get the pilotchute in the face anymore when they lost a grip trying to get it compressed in the container! And training them again on BOC after they have learned on a ripcord was stupid. Train them on what they will use all the time is much better..... I was only joking about throwing the handle... That's the only downside to not using the ripcords, is that we'd make them by BEER if they didnt land with the ripcord, and we always had beer in the fridge. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nightjumps 1 #25 October 29, 2003 ahhh...just throw it away and then do your "Clear Alls." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Nullified 0 #16 October 24, 2003 ***I'm not quite sure I agree with the throw-outs for students.Quote In my opinion and from my experience, I think it's best to teach students on the gear most like what they'll be jumping when off student status. After several jumps reaching 'here' for something, why would you want to then suddenly make them reach 'there' for it? About midway through my AFF, I got sick of being grounded because of wind. I decided to do a Tandem just to get back in the air. At pull time, I reached back and grabbed the golf ball and tried with all my might to throw it out perpendicularly to my body. After a few seconds I managed to deploy it, but they're designed to pulled towards your head (At least the tandem equipment we have is), and didn't take well to being yanked in a direction away from my body. When you become more experienced, different gear becomes a bit less of an issue, but when you're learning and very low time, I believe it's detrimental to make such a signifigant change as deploying from your chest to deploying from above your ass. Keeping things consistent is important and safe. Later. If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #17 October 24, 2003 I use to put around my left wrist and put it into my jumpsuite when I had time: canopy fine, no traffic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Erroll 80 #18 October 24, 2003 Quote>>Just put it in your mouth (but don't bite it with your teeth!!!!) << Sage advice for a variety of situations. Especially against the background of having "tried it both ways"....... But seriously, given the fact that he has ripcord now (hence the question), debating the pro's & con's of having a ripcord is kinda off-topic. You can see very quickly after deployment whether you should chuck the ripcord or stow it. Collapsed end-cells and line twists on a big student canopy are seldom 'life threatening' and stowing the ripcord first should not present problems. A stuck slider, spinning, approaching canopy etc might suggest that you chuck it and address the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaaska 0 #19 October 24, 2003 Just a week ago the upper winds were "kind of" strong. I was watching with an Instructor as a student deployed not too far away, on the upper wind side (he had either tracked towards the LZ or was carried in FF by the upper winds.) He was around 3500f with a good canopy, facing downwind. Couple of S/L students had already landed (student canopies didn't penetrate the wind at all, they were coming down like with an elevator) and they did just fine since they turned upwind right away. Anyway, as we were watching and chanting: "Turn the canopy, turn the canopy... Om... Om... Turn the canopy", this guy headed 15-30s downwind and when he finally turned the canopy, he was waaaayyy on the downwind side... He landed a mile off (fortunately he didn't try to get to the LZ, but landed on a field further downwind - in between there is just woods) w/o problems and was later picked up by one of the guys from the DZ. When we asked: "What did he do that for?" He said: "Oh, I was putting my rip cord away and had some problems with it - after that I had already passed the LZ..." Practice turning with your risers - do that first (of course if the canopy is flying and all), put away your ripcord, release your brakes etc.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JustRelax 0 #20 October 26, 2003 yeah, Ive done that too - floated off downwind while putting the rip cord away. That disorientated me so that I did a downwind landing thinking it was into wind. Was 2 solos after my AFF. Now I try and remember to turn into wind before putting it away. ________________________________________ Taking risk is part of living well - it's best to learn from other peoples mistakes, rather than your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcords 0 #21 October 28, 2003 Actually, since we switched to BOC hand deploy pilot chutes at our dz, we saw a reduction in loss of control or stability at pull time. We believe that this is because of the elimination of the look portion of the sequence. Which students often accompany with a dearch despite training otherwise. Also, the less transition a student has to go through the better. Let them learn it properly from the beginning. We would not go back to ripcords on students if you paid us. But since you are stuck with a ripcord for right now, do whatever is quicker, so that you can concentrate on the task at hand... canopy control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #22 October 28, 2003 Quote Which way or other way is best, do you think? Throw it as soon as you pull! That way the Instructors always have some beer that you bought for throwing your handle Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #23 October 28, 2003 We went to BOC on all of our student rigs nearly five years ago and have had MUCH fewer instances of instability during the pull sequence. Eliminating "look" from the sequence really, really helps. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #24 October 28, 2003 QuoteWe went to BOC on all of our student rigs nearly five years ago and have had MUCH fewer instances of instability during the pull sequence. Eliminating "look" from the sequence really, really helps. I totaly agree. I have used the BOC for years now on students and find thats its much easier for them to find there then on the hip using a rip cord and a spring loaded pilot chute. The packers liked the change too! They didnt get the pilotchute in the face anymore when they lost a grip trying to get it compressed in the container! And training them again on BOC after they have learned on a ripcord was stupid. Train them on what they will use all the time is much better..... I was only joking about throwing the handle... That's the only downside to not using the ripcords, is that we'd make them by BEER if they didnt land with the ripcord, and we always had beer in the fridge. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nightjumps 1 #25 October 29, 2003 ahhh...just throw it away and then do your "Clear Alls." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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phoenixlpr 0 #17 October 24, 2003 I use to put around my left wrist and put it into my jumpsuite when I had time: canopy fine, no traffic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #18 October 24, 2003 Quote>>Just put it in your mouth (but don't bite it with your teeth!!!!) << Sage advice for a variety of situations. Especially against the background of having "tried it both ways"....... But seriously, given the fact that he has ripcord now (hence the question), debating the pro's & con's of having a ripcord is kinda off-topic. You can see very quickly after deployment whether you should chuck the ripcord or stow it. Collapsed end-cells and line twists on a big student canopy are seldom 'life threatening' and stowing the ripcord first should not present problems. A stuck slider, spinning, approaching canopy etc might suggest that you chuck it and address the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #19 October 24, 2003 Just a week ago the upper winds were "kind of" strong. I was watching with an Instructor as a student deployed not too far away, on the upper wind side (he had either tracked towards the LZ or was carried in FF by the upper winds.) He was around 3500f with a good canopy, facing downwind. Couple of S/L students had already landed (student canopies didn't penetrate the wind at all, they were coming down like with an elevator) and they did just fine since they turned upwind right away. Anyway, as we were watching and chanting: "Turn the canopy, turn the canopy... Om... Om... Turn the canopy", this guy headed 15-30s downwind and when he finally turned the canopy, he was waaaayyy on the downwind side... He landed a mile off (fortunately he didn't try to get to the LZ, but landed on a field further downwind - in between there is just woods) w/o problems and was later picked up by one of the guys from the DZ. When we asked: "What did he do that for?" He said: "Oh, I was putting my rip cord away and had some problems with it - after that I had already passed the LZ..." Practice turning with your risers - do that first (of course if the canopy is flying and all), put away your ripcord, release your brakes etc.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustRelax 0 #20 October 26, 2003 yeah, Ive done that too - floated off downwind while putting the rip cord away. That disorientated me so that I did a downwind landing thinking it was into wind. Was 2 solos after my AFF. Now I try and remember to turn into wind before putting it away. ________________________________________ Taking risk is part of living well - it's best to learn from other peoples mistakes, rather than your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcords 0 #21 October 28, 2003 Actually, since we switched to BOC hand deploy pilot chutes at our dz, we saw a reduction in loss of control or stability at pull time. We believe that this is because of the elimination of the look portion of the sequence. Which students often accompany with a dearch despite training otherwise. Also, the less transition a student has to go through the better. Let them learn it properly from the beginning. We would not go back to ripcords on students if you paid us. But since you are stuck with a ripcord for right now, do whatever is quicker, so that you can concentrate on the task at hand... canopy control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #22 October 28, 2003 Quote Which way or other way is best, do you think? Throw it as soon as you pull! That way the Instructors always have some beer that you bought for throwing your handle Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #23 October 28, 2003 We went to BOC on all of our student rigs nearly five years ago and have had MUCH fewer instances of instability during the pull sequence. Eliminating "look" from the sequence really, really helps. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #24 October 28, 2003 QuoteWe went to BOC on all of our student rigs nearly five years ago and have had MUCH fewer instances of instability during the pull sequence. Eliminating "look" from the sequence really, really helps. I totaly agree. I have used the BOC for years now on students and find thats its much easier for them to find there then on the hip using a rip cord and a spring loaded pilot chute. The packers liked the change too! They didnt get the pilotchute in the face anymore when they lost a grip trying to get it compressed in the container! And training them again on BOC after they have learned on a ripcord was stupid. Train them on what they will use all the time is much better..... I was only joking about throwing the handle... That's the only downside to not using the ripcords, is that we'd make them by BEER if they didnt land with the ripcord, and we always had beer in the fridge. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #25 October 29, 2003 ahhh...just throw it away and then do your "Clear Alls." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
